The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

[Absolutely]

Pretrib rapture
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Acts 1
8 But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost is come upon you; and ye shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
9 And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven

Rev 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Matt24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark
39 and knew not until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left.
42 “Watch therefore, for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Matt 25
6 And at midnight there was a cry made: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, ‘Give us of your oil, for our lamps are gone out.’
9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Not so, lest there be not enough for us and you; but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.’
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us!’
12 But he answered and said, ‘Verily I say unto you, I know you not.’
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Man cometh.

^^^Reframe all that.^^^
I challenge you postribbers

 

[kleronomos]

All pure conjecture.

Rev 14 completely destroys any hope of your "bride being whipped into worthyness" doctrine

DUDE, the one YOU ARE TELLING EVERYONE is coming to GET YOU BEFORE THE TRIBULATION

CAN'T.

HE IS UNDER COMMAND OF GOD.


THE FIRST MOMENT POSSIBLE FOR CHRIST TO LEAVE HEAVEN IS AFTER SATAN.

DO THE MATH.


SATAN ARRIVES IN PERSON ON THE EARTH MID TRIB. SO YOU HAVE NO ONE TO TAKE YOU AWAY BEFORE THAT POINT. UNLESS YOU CAN FLY AWAY ON YOUR OWN IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU WILL NEED TO GET GOD TO CHANGE WHAT IS WRITTEN FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO TAKE PLACE.


THERE ISN'T ANYTHING TO DISCUSS. DON'T YOU GET IT? IT CAN'T, HAPPEN. IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY.



THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DISCUSS. FURTHER DISCUSSION IS MOOT.



YOU ARE BACKING A LOSING HAND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOSSED AWAY WHEN FIRST DEALT.


YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED. YOU ARE UNDER A DELUSION. YOU ARE 1000% WRONG. YOU NEED TO LET IT GO SO YOU CAN TRY TO FIND EVERYONE YOU HAVE EVER DECEIVED AND LET THEM KNOW, YOU WERE SEDUCED BY A FALSE DOCTRINE.


THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO. THERE ARE NO OTHER ROADS. THERE IS NO WAY THIS CAN EVER WORK. NEVER CAN CHRIST COME TO THE EARTH PRE TRIB


ALLL THE VERSES WE POINTED YOU TO ARE TRUTH AS THEY ARE WRITTEN. TAKE THE ABSOLUTE SURENESS OF THE SITUATION AND GO READ THEM FOR THE TRUTH THEY ARE.


CHRIST CANT LEAVE HEAVEN IF THERE IS AN ENEMY THERE. THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE EARTH (UNDER HIS FEET0 FOR HIM TO BE RELEASED FROM WHERE HE NOT SITS.


YOU HAVE CHRIST ON EARTH UNDER SATANS FEET. THINK. BETTER YET PRAY.

 

[Absolutely]

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Pretrib rapture

Luke 21:36

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”



Acts 1

8 But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost is come upon you; and ye shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”

9 And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,

11 who also said, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven



Rev 3

10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.



Matt24

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark

39 and knew not until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left.

42 “Watch therefore, for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.



Matt 25

6 And at midnight there was a cry made: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.’

7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.

8 And the foolish said unto the wise, ‘Give us of your oil, for our lamps are gone
e be not enough for us and you; but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.’
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us!’
12 But he answered and said, ‘Verily I say unto you, I know you not.’
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Man cometh.

Clearly the command to watch is a requirement for the rapture.

 

[Absolutely]

DUDE, the one YOU ARE TELLING EVERYONE is coming to GET YOU BEFORE THE TRIBULATION

CAN'T.

HE IS UNDER COMMAND OF GOD.


THE FIRST MOMENT POSSIBLE FOR CHRIST TO LEAVE HEAVEN IS AFTER SATAN.

DO THE MATH.


SATAN ARRIVES IN PERSON ON THE EARTH MID TRIB. SO YOU HAVE NO ONE TO TAKE YOU AWAY BEFORE THAT POINT. UNLESS YOU CAN FLY AWAY ON YOUR OWN IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU WILL NEED TO GET GOD TO CHANGE WHAT IS WRITTEN FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO TAKE PLACE.


THERE ISN'T ANYTHING TO DISCUSS. DON'T YOU GET IT? IT CAN'T, HAPPEN. IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY.



THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DISCUSS. FURTHER DISCUSSION IS MOOT.



YOU ARE BACKING A LOSING HAND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOSSED AWAY WHEN FIRST DEALT.


YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED. YOU ARE UNDER A DELUSION. YOU ARE 1000% WRONG. YOU NEED TO LET IT GO SO YOU CAN TRY TO FIND EVERYONE YOU HAVE EVER DECEIVED AND LET THEM KNOW, YOU WERE SEDUCED BY A FALSE DOCTRINE.


THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO. THERE ARE NO OTHER ROADS. THERE IS NO WAY THIS CAN EVER WORK. NEVER CAN CHRIST COME TO THE EARTH PRE TRIB


ALLL THE VERSES WE POINTED YOU TO ARE TRUTH AS THEY ARE WRITTEN. TAKE THE ABSOLUTE SURENESS OF THE SITUATION AND GO READ THEM FOR THE TRUTH THEY ARE.


CHRIST CANT LEAVE HEAVEN IF THERE IS AN ENEMY THERE. THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE EARTH (UNDER HIS FEET0 FOR HIM TO BE RELEASED FROM WHERE HE NOT SITS.


YOU HAVE CHRIST ON EARTH UNDER SATANS FEET. THINK. BETTER YET PRAY.

this is really really outside of knowing your bible.

HE STOOD ON EARTH AND TALKED TO JOHN ON PATMOS.

Stop with the conjecture already.

 

[Absolutely]

this is really really outside of knowing your bible.

HE STOOD ON EARTH AND TALKED TO JOHN ON PATMOS.

Stop with the conjecture already.

He also stood on earth and knocked paul down

 

[kleronomos]

this is really really outside of knowing your bible.

HE STOOD ON EARTH AND TALKED TO JOHN ON PATMOS.

Stop with the conjecture already.

SERIOUSLY?

 

[Absolutely]

"""HE IS UNDER COMMAND OF GOD.THE FIRST MOMENT POSSIBLE FOR CHRIST TO LEAVE HEAVEN IS AFTER SATAN.
DO THE MATH."""

Unbelievably false.

SMH

 

[Absolutely]

SERIOUSLY?

Refute it.
I challenge you

 

[Absolutely]

SERIOUSLY?

Read what i posted

 

[Absolutely]

DUDE, the one YOU ARE TELLING EVERYONE is coming to GET YOU BEFORE THE TRIBULATION

CAN'T.

HE IS UNDER COMMAND OF GOD.


THE FIRST MOMENT POSSIBLE FOR CHRIST TO LEAVE HEAVEN IS AFTER SATAN.

DO THE MATH.


SATAN ARRIVES IN PERSON ON THE EARTH MID TRIB. SO YOU HAVE NO ONE TO TAKE YOU AWAY BEFORE THAT POINT. UNLESS YOU CAN FLY AWAY ON YOUR OWN IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU WILL NEED TO GET GOD TO CHANGE WHAT IS WRITTEN FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO TAKE PLACE.


THERE ISN'T ANYTHING TO DISCUSS. DON'T YOU GET IT? IT CAN'T, HAPPEN. IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY.



THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DISCUSS. FURTHER DISCUSSION IS MOOT.



YOU ARE BACKING A LOSING HAND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOSSED AWAY WHEN FIRST DEALT.


YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED. YOU ARE UNDER A DELUSION. YOU ARE 1000% WRONG. YOU NEED TO LET IT GO SO YOU CAN TRY TO FIND EVERYONE YOU HAVE EVER DECEIVED AND LET THEM KNOW, YOU WERE SEDUCED BY A FALSE DOCTRINE.


THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO. THERE ARE NO OTHER ROADS. THERE IS NO WAY THIS CAN EVER WORK. NEVER CAN CHRIST COME TO THE EARTH PRE TRIB


ALLL THE VERSES WE POINTED YOU TO ARE TRUTH AS THEY ARE WRITTEN. TAKE THE ABSOLUTE SURENESS OF THE SITUATION AND GO READ THEM FOR THE TRUTH THEY ARE.


CHRIST CANT LEAVE HEAVEN IF THERE IS AN ENEMY THERE. THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE EARTH (UNDER HIS FEET0 FOR HIM TO BE RELEASED FROM WHERE HE NOT SITS.


YOU HAVE CHRIST ON EARTH UNDER SATANS FEET. THINK. BETTER YET PRAY.

Are you trying to make this your smoking gun?;
Mark 12:36
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit Thou at My right hand until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool.”’

 

[FreeGrace2]

All pure conjecture.

Rev 14 completely destroys any hope of your "bride being whipped into worthyness" doctrine

What you haven't done is quote the verses that supports your claims. All you do is make claims, but never back them up with Scripture.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Postribbers can not refute any of the above...at least not without reframing it into the next universe

Thanks for yet another empty lame claim that you cannot prove or even show some evidence.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Your mistake is 3 fold;
1) trying to fit your conjecture into the bible

This is hilarious! It is the pretrib rapture claim that is only conjecture. You've NEVER quoted any verse that shows glorified believers being taken to heaven. You can only PRESUME they will be.

Yet, that is such an important event, if were to occur, that the Bible would NOT have omitted it.

2) relying on your mind instead of guidance by the Holy Spirit

Where does the Holy Spirit guide the believer? His mind. That's where.

3)omission of verses

You want to talk about omitting verses? If your theory about a pretrib rapture were true, then the Bible itself has OMITTED the verses that would have described such an event.

The Bible has plenty of verses that refer to the resurrection of believers and verses about living believers being gathered up.

You are GUARANTEED ERROR

You have no evidence of your theory. That is what guarantees error.

 

[FreeGrace2]

"""HOW MUCH DOES IT TAKE TO DISCREDIT A BELIEF?

Not much at all. in fact, it takes "nothing". By that, I mean a belief that has no clear evidence, which is nothing, is all it takes to discredit a belief.

The pretrib rapture theory IS discredited. It has no verses that describe such an event.

HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE IN SOMETHING TO WHICH EVER SINGLE ASPECT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE FALSE.

Right. A pretrib rapture scenario has been shown to be false.

SURE LOTS OF WORDS, LOTS OF SARCASM, LOTS OF WAYS OF THE WORLD, BUT NOTHING IS AS IT IS WRITTEN.
PRIDE GOES BEFORE THE FALL"""

Nearly all the sarcasm has been from you. I do like your statement "nothing is as it is written". Describes the pretrib rapture theory pretty well. Since NOTHING has been written in Scripture about it, it is obvious that there is NOTHING to that theory.

EXACTLY!!!
I Do hope in the future you will stop omitting verses in order to cling to error.

Why did the Bible omit any description of glorified believers being taken to heaven?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Absolutely said:
Pretrib rapture
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

^^^Reframe all that.^^^
I challenge you postribbers

Post #2374. I addressed ALL of your verses/passages. But I didn't "reframe" anything. I explained all of them.

 

[Marilyn]

Call it what you will CHRIST is not leaving the right hand of God until SATAN IS AT HIS FEET FOR WHATEVER REASON.

The reason is - `The Father .... has given Him (Son) authority to execute judgment..` (John 5: 27)

And that is at the start of the trib, and on throughout the millennium - the `rod of iron.` (Ps.2: 9)

`The LORD shall send the rod of your strength out of Zion. Rule in the midst of your enemies!` (Ps. 110: 2)

 

[Marilyn]

In the op she stated pilotless planes crashing is false.

Then later states people will be taken in the rapture.

Pilots stay?

Believers who are eagerly waiting for the Lord, (Heb. 9: 28) and who see the Day approaching, (Heb. 10: 25) will be aware that the Lord is about to come and so ready themselves. They will be quickened by the Holy Spirit that it is now `time.` Thus they wont be piloting planes, or driving cars, etc etc.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Believers who are eagerly waiting for the Lord, (Heb. 9: 28) and who see the Day approaching, (Heb. 10: 25) will be aware that the Lord is about to come and so ready themselves. They will be quickened by the Holy Spirit that it is now `time.` Thus they wont be piloting planes, or driving cars, etc etc.

The "quickening by the Holy Spirit" refers to being born again and indwelt by the Spirit upon faith in Christ.

The Holy Spirit doesn't "quicken" those already saved.

 

[Marilyn]

The "quickening by the Holy Spirit" refers to being born again and indwelt by the Spirit upon faith in Christ.

The Holy Spirit doesn't "quicken" those already saved.

Of course He does. We get quickened by the Holy Spirit as to danger, sin, need to pray for someone in trouble or need, a word of wisdom, etc etc.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why did the Bible omit any description of glorified believers being taken to heaven?

Since the Bible made no such omission, it would appear that you do not know enough about this matter. Kindly read and study 1 Corinthians 15 for starters.

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. (v 48)