The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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THE BODY OF CHRIST`S INHERITANCE IS IN HEAVEN.
Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.
`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )
` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)
` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)
` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)
(New King James)
Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.
`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )
` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)
` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)
` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)
(New King James)
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No, the inheritance and where eternity is spent is on the Earth. Heaven is a temporary place for God and the church.
Heaven will remain where it is but eternity is spent upon the Earth and The Father and Son will be upon the Earth as well. That doesn't mean no one can go to heaven during the eternity but the primary home will be the Earth according to various scriptures. Rev 21-22 indicate this but there are other scriptures as well. Basically heaven is a temporary place for God and the angels and the spirits of the dead. Eventually all will inhabit the Earth.
1Ch_23:25 For David said, The LORD God of Israel hath given rest unto his people, that they may dwell in Jerusalem for ever:
Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Psa_37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
Psa_37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psa_37:22 For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
Mat_5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Job_19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
It is not man who will go to heaven to dwell with the Father and Jesus in the eternity but the Father and Jesus dwelling with Man upon the new Earth!
Heaven is the temporary dwelling place for God, angels and the spirits of the dead saints. The eternal home for all is the new Earth.
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I agree that some people will be on the New earth as promised for their inheritance. However the Body of Christ`s inheritance is with the Lord in the highest. Also Note that the city comes DOWN out of heaven FROM GOD. God does NOT comes down. He is Spirit and by His Spirit he is omnipresent.
By His Spirit He will be with those on the earth, in the city and in His glorified Body the Lord Jesus Christ will be with us. (Rev. 3: 21)
By His Spirit He will be with those on the earth, in the city and in His glorified Body the Lord Jesus Christ will be with us. (Rev. 3: 21)
FreeGrace2 said:
The "quickening by the Holy Spirit" refers to being born again and indwelt by the Spirit upon faith in Christ.
The Holy Spirit doesn't "quicken" those already saved.
Apparently I wasn't clear enough. To be "quickened" in biblical terminology means to be "made alive", as in regeneration.
We are guided by the Holy Spirit. Not "quickened".
Believers are only quickened by the Spirit once. At the moment of salvation.
The "quickening by the Holy Spirit" refers to being born again and indwelt by the Spirit upon faith in Christ.
The Holy Spirit doesn't "quicken" those already saved.
Apparently I wasn't clear enough. To be "quickened" in biblical terminology means to be "made alive", as in regeneration.
We are guided by the Holy Spirit. Not "quickened".
Believers are only quickened by the Spirit once. At the moment of salvation.
FreeGrace2 said:
Why did the Bible omit any description of glorified believers being taken to heaven?
Great!! Finally someone who knows of Scripture that shows Jesus taking glorifiede believers to heaven. Thank you!!
Hm. Where, exactly, do you find anything about Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven here? I am not seeing any words that can mean that.
I have been reading through the NT monthly for nearly 2 decades. So I'm very familiar with 1 Cor 15. And I've never yet found any reference to Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven. Or even just glorified believers going to heaven.
v.48 simply shows that there are unbelievers (earthy) and believers (heavenly).
Why did the Bible omit any description of glorified believers being taken to heaven?
Great!! Finally someone who knows of Scripture that shows Jesus taking glorifiede believers to heaven. Thank you!!
Hm. Where, exactly, do you find anything about Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven here? I am not seeing any words that can mean that.
I have been reading through the NT monthly for nearly 2 decades. So I'm very familiar with 1 Cor 15. And I've never yet found any reference to Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven. Or even just glorified believers going to heaven.
v.48 simply shows that there are unbelievers (earthy) and believers (heavenly).
Here ya go;
Now you can back off your error.
Rev14
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
(ALL THAT DURING THE GT.)
REFRAME IT
CHANGE IT
GET NASTY WITH IT
BUT IT AIN'T GOING AWAY.
Now you can back off your error.
Rev14
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
(ALL THAT DURING THE GT.)
REFRAME IT
CHANGE IT
GET NASTY WITH IT
BUT IT AIN'T GOING AWAY.
Absolutely said:
Pretrib rapture
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Fg tries to "answer" lol
"""No mention of timing here. It is about being counted worthy when believers stand before the Bema."""
Comical
What a butcher job
It is not im any way saying what you made it say.
Pretrib rapture
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Fg tries to "answer" lol
"""No mention of timing here. It is about being counted worthy when believers stand before the Bema."""
Comical
What a butcher job
It is not im any way saying what you made it say.
FreeGrace2 said:
Why did the Bible omit any description of glorified believers being taken to heaven?
Great!! Finally someone who knows of Scripture that shows Jesus taking glorifiede believers to heaven. Thank you!!
Hm. Where, exactly, do you find anything about Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven here? I am not seeing any words that can mean that.
I have been reading through the NT monthly for nearly 2 decades. So I'm very familiar with 1 Cor 15. And I've never yet found any reference to Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven. Or even just glorified believers going to heaven.
v.48 simply shows that there are unbelievers (earthy) and believers (heavenly).
All I can do is show the truth. What you think of it is between you and God.
Of course the truth isn't going away. What a silly thought.
Show me where any of these redeemed have glorified bodies, if you can.
Why did the Bible omit any description of glorified believers being taken to heaven?
Great!! Finally someone who knows of Scripture that shows Jesus taking glorifiede believers to heaven. Thank you!!
Hm. Where, exactly, do you find anything about Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven here? I am not seeing any words that can mean that.
I have been reading through the NT monthly for nearly 2 decades. So I'm very familiar with 1 Cor 15. And I've never yet found any reference to Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven. Or even just glorified believers going to heaven.
v.48 simply shows that there are unbelievers (earthy) and believers (heavenly).
All I can do is show the truth. What you think of it is between you and God.
Of course the truth isn't going away. What a silly thought.
Show me where any of these redeemed have glorified bodies, if you can.
I do believe Romans 8:11's use of this word refers to more than just that ^ ... where is says, "shall quicken [G2227] YOUR MORTAL BODIES" (the ones we still live in, in the here and now), going on to say, "by means of His Spirit dwelling in you"
-- https://biblehub.com/text/romans/8-11.htm
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2227 zōopoiéō (from 2221 /zōgréō, "alive" and 4160 /poiéō, "make") – properly, make alive (zōos); i.e. "quicken," vivify ("animate"); (figuratively) cause what is dead (inoperative) to have life; empower with divine life.
2227 /zōopoiéō ("make alive, enliven") is particularly used of God infusing His life in the believer. The Lord infuses eternal life (zōē) into us each time we receive (obey) faith from Him. This enables living with God – not just for Him (cf. Gal 2:20; Ro 8:28-30; 1 Jn 5:4). His self-existent, all-powerful life overcomes all the deadly effects of sin.
-- https://biblehub.com/greek/2227.htm
-- https://biblehub.com/text/romans/8-11.htm
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HELPS Word-studies
2227 zōopoiéō (from 2221 /zōgréō, "alive" and 4160 /poiéō, "make") – properly, make alive (zōos); i.e. "quicken," vivify ("animate"); (figuratively) cause what is dead (inoperative) to have life; empower with divine life.
2227 /zōopoiéō ("make alive, enliven") is particularly used of God infusing His life in the believer. The Lord infuses eternal life (zōē) into us each time we receive (obey) faith from Him. This enables living with God – not just for Him (cf. Gal 2:20; Ro 8:28-30; 1 Jn 5:4). His self-existent, all-powerful life overcomes all the deadly effects of sin.
-- https://biblehub.com/greek/2227.htm
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Do you read anything as it is written?
Revelation of Jesus Christ which gave Him God to show to the bond servants of Him what things it behooves to take place in quickness And He signified [it] having sent through the angel of Him to the servant of Him John.
Not that 'HE STOOD' but you would equate THIS with leaving His side to RAPTURE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND TAKE THEM TO HEAVEN FOR A WEDDING?
I just want to make sure that that is not only reasonable to you but is what you believe is taking place. JUST A COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR THE COMMAND OF GOD. No matter what. Correct?
Revelation of Jesus Christ which gave Him God to show to the bond servants of Him what things it behooves to take place in quickness And He signified [it] having sent through the angel of Him to the servant of Him John.
Not that 'HE STOOD' but you would equate THIS with leaving His side to RAPTURE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND TAKE THEM TO HEAVEN FOR A WEDDING?
I just want to make sure that that is not only reasonable to you but is what you believe is taking place. JUST A COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR THE COMMAND OF GOD. No matter what. Correct?
DO you just make this stuff up as you go?
YOU SAY GOD SAYS IT
BUT GOD DOES NOT. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
Acts 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light
FROM HEAVEN
Acts 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Acts 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Acts 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
And you get these other to believe you without checking out what is written
and they carry on like nothing, unbelievable. STRONG DELUSION
SMOKING GUN??? NO, not even close. WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION FOR THOSE WILLING TO FALL AWAY.
LASER GUIDED MISSLE STRAIGHT FROM GOD TO THIS THREAD.
LORD AND SAVIOR EVERLASTING REDEEMER. - MY LASER, my words.
but YOU ARE PUTTING JESUS UNDER SATAN.
Mark 12:36 Himself David said by the SPIRIT HOLY Said Lord to the Lord of me, UNTIL I PLACE OF THE ENEMIES OF YOU A FOOTSTOOL ON THE FEET OF YOU
5270. hupokató
Strong's Concordance
hupokató: below, under
Original Word: ὑποκάτω
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: hupokató
Phonetic Spelling: (hoop-ok-at'-o)
Definition: below, under
Usage: underneath, below, under.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from hupo and kató
Definition
below, under
NASB Translation
beneath (2), soles (1), under (7), underneath (1).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5270: ὑποκάτω
ὑποκάτω, under, underneath: τίνος (Winers Grammar, § 54, 6; Buttmann, § 146, 1), Matthew 22:44 L T Tr WH; Mark 6:11; Mark 7:28; (Mark 12:36 WH); Luke 8:16; John 1:50 (); Hebrews 2:8; Revelation 5:3, 13 (Tr marginal reading brackets the clause); . (The Sept.; Plato, Aristotle, Polybius, Diodorus, Plutarch, others) (Cf. Winers Grammar, § 50, 7 N.1; Buttmann, § 146, 4.) BIBLEHUB
Matthew 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Psssst...
YOU OF COURSE COMPLETELY LEFT OUT WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
SMH
read it real slow please.
Rev 1
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Reframe that one.
Any questions?
YOU OF COURSE COMPLETELY LEFT OUT WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
SMH
read it real slow please.
Rev 1
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Reframe that one.
Any questions?
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