The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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FreeGrace2 said:
Right. According to 2 Thess 2:1-3, the "coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him" won't occur UNTIL the ac is revealed.
Rev 20:5 tells us WHEN the FIRST resurrection occurs, which is at the Second Advent.
You haven't shown a single "fact" that shows Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.
Right. According to 2 Thess 2:1-3, the "coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him" won't occur UNTIL the ac is revealed.
Rev 20:5 tells us WHEN the FIRST resurrection occurs, which is at the Second Advent.
You haven't shown a single "fact" that shows Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.
I WILL Not accept your slaughter of the passage, given your penchant for claiming what the Bible NEVER says.
v.1-4 says nothing about a rapture, a resurrection. These 144K stand on Mt Zion, which is ON earth, and sing "before the Throne". So what? God can hear singing from His throne from anywhere on earth, even from Mt Zion.
Apparently you weren't aware of that.
v.1-4 says nothing about a rapture, a resurrection. These 144K stand on Mt Zion, which is ON earth, and sing "before the Throne". So what? God can hear singing from His throne from anywhere on earth, even from Mt Zion.
Apparently you weren't aware of that.
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Do you mean to tell me that WHEN "OUR epiysnagoges UNTO HIM" takes place, that you [and every other believer, in their various locations] will still be located [and remain located] on your couch watching the ballgame on tv, with absolutely NO MOVEMENT WHATSOEVER... and that you are associating THAT [non-movement] with the concept (in Scripture) of our "SNATCH [/harpazo / RAPTURE (IN THE AIR)]"??
Just where do you believe "TO the MEETING OF THE LORD IN THE AIR" will be located? And do we "move" off of our couches when it takes place?? Or not... according to your viewpoint?
[I already realize you see no "purpose" for it... but do you believe there IS no "SNATCH / harpazo / RAPTURE" *IN THE AIR* necessitating "MOVEMENT / RE-LOCATION" when it occurs??]
Just where do you believe "TO the MEETING OF THE LORD IN THE AIR" will be located? And do we "move" off of our couches when it takes place?? Or not... according to your viewpoint?
[I already realize you see no "purpose" for it... but do you believe there IS no "SNATCH / harpazo / RAPTURE" *IN THE AIR* necessitating "MOVEMENT / RE-LOCATION" when it occurs??]
I KNOW I DON'T SEE THE WORLD LOOKING AT ALL like it does right now to when Satan arrives and then from the way it will look in the twinkling of an eye. Do you believe our lives will be 'just as they are now', by the time the two witnesses rise up from the street?
Satan and his 'army' will arrive to heal a 'deadly wound' something so noticeable to THE ENTIRE EARTH, THAT THE healing of if and the setting up of an 'image' to worship will cause THE WHOLE WORLD TO BE DECEIVED. There will be SUPERNATURAL events 'lying signs and wonders' taking place not only by Satan but by the two witnesses not to mention those being given up for 10 day trials in which the Holy Spirit will be speaking through them convincing even the gainsayers.
It isn't going to be life as 'usual'. You think 'change' is coming quick now? wait till the labor pains really start coming closer and more intense. There will be KINGDOMS coming together UNDER SUPERNATURAL FORCES to rule the world. There will by the false prophet who will be promoting it all. RELIGION, will be 'the thing', of the whole world as one.
There will be lying signs and wonders, things no one of these times have ever even thought about. There will be an army of the earth under one rule. ALBEIT it will be through prosperity, and peace and safety with flatteries as "he do that no one has done before him", but we must remember it is not of flesh and blood...Once you worship the beast life is going to be great. It is only going to be hard for those who don't. COVID is a perfect example. How long did it take those who took the shot to jump all over those who didn't? Now take the whole world as saying YES YES LETS ALL HAVE THE SHOT to the very VERY few who say NO WAY. IT WILL cause quite a bit of tension to those few. They will feel outside pressures like we have never felt before (tribulation). There will be pressures from those who LOVE US TRYING TO HELP US SEE TRUTH of what 'is really happening'
For those of the day, who KNOW when and where Jesus comes, it is not unexpected at all and we will be ready. We will basically know the exact moment of His return by that time. But even if we were sitting on a 'couch', we would be changed and gathered to Him in our spiritual body. WE MUST remember when His foot touches down the EARTH IS IN FOR A MAJOR CHANGE. AND THE EARTH HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THIS MOMENT ITSELF!!!
A NEW DAY AND AGE IS UPON US. THE REALM OF HEAVEN AND EARTH WILL BE MADE ONE. THE SEEN AND THE UNSEEN WILL BECOME 'ONE' OR ALL SEEN. THE FAMILIES OF HEAVEN AND EARTH ARE BEING BROUGHT TOGETHER AND THE LIVING OF LIFE WILL TAKE PLACE ON THIS EARTH. THIS IS WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR. GOD MARRIED A PART OF IT. THIS IS WHERE HE WILL DWELL WITH US.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT 'HEAVEN IS ROLLED AWAY LIKE A SCROLL? THE CHANGES THAT WILL BE TAKING PLACE CAN NOT BE SURVIVED BY THIS SUPER FRAGILE BODY THAT EVEN OTHER MEN CAN KILL.
WE WILL BE LIKE THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN.
SO NO, I DON'T SEE ANY SITTING ON COUCHES AND I DO SEE THE 'RUDIMENTS' OF THIS WORLD BEING BURNT UP. WHAT WE THINK RIGHT NOW IS REAL, ISN'T AS REAL AS WE THINK IT IS. OUR REALITY IN HEAVENLY REALMS IS BECOMING OUR REALITY HERE ON EARTH, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE.
That's an example of somethings I see taking place.
FreeGrace2 said:
"""What a foolish claim. v.1 clearly says they are standing on Mt Zion. you need a lesson in geography. So you won't make a fool out of yourself again."""
Fg joins the folly;
"""Correct. There are no mountains in heaven. Mt. Zion is a famous mountain next to Jerusalem and clearly Jesus has returned and is standing on it."""
But that pesky bible shows up;
Heb 12
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
There are many things in earth that are mere patterns of heaven ,you guys are unaware of
Horses
Animals
Lightning
Books
Even the destroyed temple is only a model of the one in heaven.
That's the difference.
That's why you guys can't discern.
The HEAVENLY IS THE REAL. THE EARTHLY IS A MODEL OF THE REAL.
All truth comes from heaven, to man
You guy have it exactly backwards.
You are trib, ac, suffering, judgement centered.
Get heaven's center. Get the heart of God into the equation.
Stop with the mental "interpretations"
Pssssst....that would be "bride/groom centered"
"""What a foolish claim. v.1 clearly says they are standing on Mt Zion. you need a lesson in geography. So you won't make a fool out of yourself again."""
Fg joins the folly;
"""Correct. There are no mountains in heaven. Mt. Zion is a famous mountain next to Jerusalem and clearly Jesus has returned and is standing on it."""
But that pesky bible shows up;
Heb 12
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
There are many things in earth that are mere patterns of heaven ,you guys are unaware of
Horses
Animals
Lightning
Books
Even the destroyed temple is only a model of the one in heaven.
That's the difference.
That's why you guys can't discern.
The HEAVENLY IS THE REAL. THE EARTHLY IS A MODEL OF THE REAL.
All truth comes from heaven, to man
You guy have it exactly backwards.
You are trib, ac, suffering, judgement centered.
Get heaven's center. Get the heart of God into the equation.
Stop with the mental "interpretations"
Pssssst....that would be "bride/groom centered"
Here is Gods word again for you to change and reject;
Rev
14 :1 And I looked and lo, a Lamb stood on Mount Zion, and with Him a hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father’s name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from Heaven as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder, and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps.
3 And they sang, as it were, a new song before the throne, and before the four living beings and the elders; and no man could learn that song, except the hundred and forty and four thousand who were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they that were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are they that follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
reframe it
change it.
Rev
14 :1 And I looked and lo, a Lamb stood on Mount Zion, and with Him a hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father’s name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from Heaven as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder, and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps.
3 And they sang, as it were, a new song before the throne, and before the four living beings and the elders; and no man could learn that song, except the hundred and forty and four thousand who were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they that were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are they that follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
reframe it
change it.
The problem with pretribbers is their obsessive fascination with mere details that are not relevant to timelines.
Your comment about animals, etc are "patterns of heaven" is beyond absurd. It makes no sense.
Stay with the basics.
1. There is ONE resurrection of the saved. Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15, 1 Cor 15:23
2. There is ONE resurrection of the unsaved. Acts 24:15
3. The ONE resurrection includes being gathered up (rapture). 1 Thess 4, 1 Cor 15:52,53
4. The ONE resurrection and gathering occurs after the Tribulation. 2 Thess 2:1 Rev 20:5.
5. The FIRST resurrection is for the saved. Rev 20:5
And you haven't refuted any of these points.
Plus, you have NO verses that actually address Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven, which is CENTRAL to your theory.
Your comment about animals, etc are "patterns of heaven" is beyond absurd. It makes no sense.
Stay with the basics.
1. There is ONE resurrection of the saved. Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15, 1 Cor 15:23
2. There is ONE resurrection of the unsaved. Acts 24:15
3. The ONE resurrection includes being gathered up (rapture). 1 Thess 4, 1 Cor 15:52,53
4. The ONE resurrection and gathering occurs after the Tribulation. 2 Thess 2:1 Rev 20:5.
5. The FIRST resurrection is for the saved. Rev 20:5
And you haven't refuted any of these points.
Plus, you have NO verses that actually address Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven, which is CENTRAL to your theory.
To claim that I change or lie about any verse is a total LIE. Satan is the father of lies, so you'd better be careful to whom you are lining up with.
Sadly, you are apparently too stubborn to realize that Rev 14 isn't chronological in the book. It looks to the Second Advent.
But whatever.
No one denies this chapter, as you lie about. We just understand the chapter to be a glimpse of the future, in John's eyes.
There's enough other evidence that sinks your boat, so Rev 14 doesn't help you at all.
But you can obsess with the chapter as much as you want.
Sadly, you are apparently too stubborn to realize that Rev 14 isn't chronological in the book. It looks to the Second Advent.
But whatever.
No one denies this chapter, as you lie about. We just understand the chapter to be a glimpse of the future, in John's eyes.
There's enough other evidence that sinks your boat, so Rev 14 doesn't help you at all.
But you can obsess with the chapter as much as you want.
Fg joins the folly;
"""Correct. There are no mountains in heaven. Mt. Zion is a famous mountain next to Jerusalem and clearly Jesus has returned and is standing on it."""
But that pesky bible shows up;
Heb 12
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
There are many things in earth that are mere patterns of heaven ,you guys are unaware of
Horses
Animals
Lightning
Books
Even the destroyed temple is only a model of the one in heaven.
That's the difference.
That's why you guys can't discern.
The HEAVENLY IS THE REAL. THE EARTHLY IS A MODEL OF THE REAL.
All truth comes from heaven, to man
You guy have it exactly backwards.
You are trib, ac, suffering, judgement centered.
Get heaven's center. Get the heart of God into the equation.
Stop with the mental "interpretations"
Pssssst....that would be "bride/groom centered"[/QUOTE]
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
IF YOU ARE OF THE FINAL GENERATION THE RACE SET BEFORE YOU IS TRIBULATION CHOICE IS TO EITHER ACCEPT IT OR DENY IT
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
OUR EXAMPLE IS CHRIST WHO ENDURED THE CROSS FOR THE JOY SET BEFORE HIM. ARE YOU LOOKING TO PICK UP YOUR CROSS? ARE YOU WILLING TO LOSE YOUR LIFE TO FIND IT? WILL YOU BE STANDING AND ENDURING TO THE END?
OR ARE YOU FOLLOWING AFTER A DOCTRINE OF MAN THAT SAY 'JUDGE YOURSELF WORTHY AND COUNT YOURSELF SAVED AND TAKEN OUT OF THE RACE SET BEFORE YOU. NO CROSS FOR YOU TO BEAR. NO PROVING OF YOU, THE 'CHURCHES' WHO WERE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR STATUS WHILE OTHERS WERE TO BE SPIT OUT BUT THOSE AREN'T BEING RAPTURED INSTEAD THE BODY IS BEING DIVIDED YET AGAIN BY THIS DOTRINE THAT STANDS ON APOSTASY BEING TAKEN TO HEAVEN AND PUTTING OUR LORD AND SAVIOR AT THE FEET OF SATAN, OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN.
Hebrews 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
YOU teach that TRIBULATION is going to be PUNISHMENT for JUDAH and BEHEADINGS FOR THE 'TRIBULATION SAINTS'
(of which they are written of where?) Along with the 'final generation' of CHRISTIANS don't deserve it - it does seem that it just might make them faint in their minds, the thought of tribulation coming to the final generation of Christians.
Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
NOT YET...
Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of Him
AND WE KNOW WHAT FORM CHASTENING COMES IN. TRIBULATION, AFFLICTION, PERSECUTION....
Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth.
SURELY THERE WILL BE SOME BEFORE TRIBULATION WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN...so how could they go without making void the words of God
Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
ALL THE KNOWLEDGE IN THE WORLD DOESN'T HELP IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND what is being said.
Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
MORE PROOF THAT CHRISTIANS WILL GO THROUGH TRIBULATION. AND IT WONT BE THE FIRST TIME...and sure you may be going through it now BUT IT IS STILL THE COURSE SET BEFORE YOU AND THAT DOESN'T CHANGEE. WE RUN THE RACE SET BEFORE US. NOT HALF OF IT
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
SHALL WE NOT MUCH RATHER BE IN SUBJECTION UNTO THE FATHER OF SPIRITS AND LIVE?
Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; BUT HE FOR OUR PROFIT THAT WE MIGHT BE PARTAKERS OF HIS HOLINESS
ONE THING THE RUNDOWN OF THE CHURCHES TELL US IS CHRISTIANS NEED TO BE PROVEN IN THE FINAL GENERATION.
PRE TRIBBERS REALLY NEED TO ABSORB THIS
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless AFTERWARD it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
HOW MANY DIFFERENT WAY ARE WE TOLD IT IS GOOD FOR US TO ENDURE THE THINGS THAT COME UPON US?
Hebrews 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Hebrews 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Hebrews 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Hebrews 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Hebrews 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Hebrews 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Hebrews 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Hebrews 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
NOT AT ALL THE WAY YOU PORTRAY IT TO BE
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel.
Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not HIM that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from HIM that speaketh from heaven:
HERE IS WHAT A PROMISE LOOKS LIKE
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
AND NOT A WORD ABOUT A PRE TRIB RAPTURE ANYWHERE AND MANY MANY PLACES ONE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE FOUND.
"""Correct. There are no mountains in heaven. Mt. Zion is a famous mountain next to Jerusalem and clearly Jesus has returned and is standing on it."""
But that pesky bible shows up;
Heb 12
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
There are many things in earth that are mere patterns of heaven ,you guys are unaware of
Horses
Animals
Lightning
Books
Even the destroyed temple is only a model of the one in heaven.
That's the difference.
That's why you guys can't discern.
The HEAVENLY IS THE REAL. THE EARTHLY IS A MODEL OF THE REAL.
All truth comes from heaven, to man
You guy have it exactly backwards.
You are trib, ac, suffering, judgement centered.
Get heaven's center. Get the heart of God into the equation.
Stop with the mental "interpretations"
Pssssst....that would be "bride/groom centered"[/QUOTE]
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
IF YOU ARE OF THE FINAL GENERATION THE RACE SET BEFORE YOU IS TRIBULATION CHOICE IS TO EITHER ACCEPT IT OR DENY IT
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
OUR EXAMPLE IS CHRIST WHO ENDURED THE CROSS FOR THE JOY SET BEFORE HIM. ARE YOU LOOKING TO PICK UP YOUR CROSS? ARE YOU WILLING TO LOSE YOUR LIFE TO FIND IT? WILL YOU BE STANDING AND ENDURING TO THE END?
OR ARE YOU FOLLOWING AFTER A DOCTRINE OF MAN THAT SAY 'JUDGE YOURSELF WORTHY AND COUNT YOURSELF SAVED AND TAKEN OUT OF THE RACE SET BEFORE YOU. NO CROSS FOR YOU TO BEAR. NO PROVING OF YOU, THE 'CHURCHES' WHO WERE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR STATUS WHILE OTHERS WERE TO BE SPIT OUT BUT THOSE AREN'T BEING RAPTURED INSTEAD THE BODY IS BEING DIVIDED YET AGAIN BY THIS DOTRINE THAT STANDS ON APOSTASY BEING TAKEN TO HEAVEN AND PUTTING OUR LORD AND SAVIOR AT THE FEET OF SATAN, OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN.
Hebrews 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
YOU teach that TRIBULATION is going to be PUNISHMENT for JUDAH and BEHEADINGS FOR THE 'TRIBULATION SAINTS'
(of which they are written of where?) Along with the 'final generation' of CHRISTIANS don't deserve it - it does seem that it just might make them faint in their minds, the thought of tribulation coming to the final generation of Christians.
Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
NOT YET...
Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of Him
AND WE KNOW WHAT FORM CHASTENING COMES IN. TRIBULATION, AFFLICTION, PERSECUTION....
Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth.
SURELY THERE WILL BE SOME BEFORE TRIBULATION WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN...so how could they go without making void the words of God
Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
ALL THE KNOWLEDGE IN THE WORLD DOESN'T HELP IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND what is being said.
Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
MORE PROOF THAT CHRISTIANS WILL GO THROUGH TRIBULATION. AND IT WONT BE THE FIRST TIME...and sure you may be going through it now BUT IT IS STILL THE COURSE SET BEFORE YOU AND THAT DOESN'T CHANGEE. WE RUN THE RACE SET BEFORE US. NOT HALF OF IT
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
SHALL WE NOT MUCH RATHER BE IN SUBJECTION UNTO THE FATHER OF SPIRITS AND LIVE?
Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; BUT HE FOR OUR PROFIT THAT WE MIGHT BE PARTAKERS OF HIS HOLINESS
ONE THING THE RUNDOWN OF THE CHURCHES TELL US IS CHRISTIANS NEED TO BE PROVEN IN THE FINAL GENERATION.
PRE TRIBBERS REALLY NEED TO ABSORB THIS
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless AFTERWARD it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
HOW MANY DIFFERENT WAY ARE WE TOLD IT IS GOOD FOR US TO ENDURE THE THINGS THAT COME UPON US?
Hebrews 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Hebrews 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Hebrews 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Hebrews 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Hebrews 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Hebrews 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Hebrews 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Hebrews 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
NOT AT ALL THE WAY YOU PORTRAY IT TO BE
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel.
Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not HIM that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from HIM that speaketh from heaven:
HERE IS WHAT A PROMISE LOOKS LIKE
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
AND NOT A WORD ABOUT A PRE TRIB RAPTURE ANYWHERE AND MANY MANY PLACES ONE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE FOUND.
Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Hebrews 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
Hebrews 11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
Hebrews 11:28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
Hebrews 11:29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Hebrews 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
Hebrews 11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
Hebrews 11:28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
Hebrews 11:29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
IF YOU ARE OF THE FINAL GENERATION THE RACE SET BEFORE YOU IS TRIBULATION CHOICE IS TO EITHER ACCEPT IT OR DENY IT
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
OUR EXAMPLE IS CHRIST WHO ENDURED THE CROSS FOR THE JOY SET BEFORE HIM. ARE YOU LOOKING TO PICK UP YOUR CROSS? ARE YOU WILLING TO LOSE YOUR LIFE TO FIND IT? WILL YOU BE STANDING AND ENDURING TO THE END?
OR ARE YOU FOLLOWING AFTER A DOCTRINE OF MAN THAT SAY 'JUDGE YOURSELF WORTHY AND COUNT YOURSELF SAVED AND TAKEN OUT OF THE RACE SET BEFORE YOU. NO CROSS FOR YOU TO BEAR. NO PROVING OF YOU, THE 'CHURCHES' WHO WERE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR STATUS WHILE OTHERS WERE TO BE SPIT OUT BUT THOSE AREN'T BEING RAPTURED INSTEAD THE BODY IS BEING DIVIDED YET AGAIN BY THIS DOTRINE THAT STANDS ON APOSTASY BEING TAKEN TO HEAVEN AND PUTTING OUR LORD AND SAVIOR AT THE FEET OF SATAN, OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN.
Hebrews 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
YOU teach that TRIBULATION is going to be PUNISHMENT for JUDAH and BEHEADINGS FOR THE 'TRIBULATION SAINTS'
(of which they are written of where?) Along with the 'final generation' of CHRISTIANS don't deserve it - it does seem that it just might make them faint in their minds, the thought of tribulation coming to the final generation of Christians.
Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
NOT YET...
Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of Him
AND WE KNOW WHAT FORM CHASTENING COMES IN. TRIBULATION, AFFLICTION, PERSECUTION....
Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth.
SURELY THERE WILL BE SOME BEFORE TRIBULATION WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN...so how could they go without making void the words of God
Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
ALL THE KNOWLEDGE IN THE WORLD DOESN'T HELP IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND what is being said.
Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
MORE PROOF THAT CHRISTIANS WILL GO THROUGH TRIBULATION. AND IT WONT BE THE FIRST TIME...and sure you may be going through it now BUT IT IS STILL THE COURSE SET BEFORE YOU AND THAT DOESN'T CHANGEE. WE RUN THE RACE SET BEFORE US. NOT HALF OF IT
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
SHALL WE NOT MUCH RATHER BE IN SUBJECTION UNTO THE FATHER OF SPIRITS AND LIVE?
Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; BUT HE FOR OUR PROFIT THAT WE MIGHT BE PARTAKERS OF HIS HOLINESS
ONE THING THE RUNDOWN OF THE CHURCHES TELL US IS CHRISTIANS NEED TO BE PROVEN IN THE FINAL GENERATION.
PRE TRIBBERS REALLY NEED TO ABSORB THIS
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless AFTERWARD it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
HOW MANY DIFFERENT WAY ARE WE TOLD IT IS GOOD FOR US TO ENDURE THE THINGS THAT COME UPON US?
Hebrews 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Hebrews 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Hebrews 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Hebrews 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Hebrews 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Hebrews 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Hebrews 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Hebrews 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
NOT AT ALL THE WAY YOU PORTRAY IT TO BE
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel.
Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not HIM that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from HIM that speaketh from heaven:
HERE IS WHAT A PROMISE LOOKS LIKE
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
AND NOT A WORD ABOUT A PRE TRIB RAPTURE ANYWHERE AND MANY MANY PLACES ONE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE FOUND. [/QUOTE]
Then all the apostles missed Gods plan since they did not get whipped and martyred by your antichrist.
( the man you look for to complete your salvation.)
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
IF YOU ARE OF THE FINAL GENERATION THE RACE SET BEFORE YOU IS TRIBULATION CHOICE IS TO EITHER ACCEPT IT OR DENY IT
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
OUR EXAMPLE IS CHRIST WHO ENDURED THE CROSS FOR THE JOY SET BEFORE HIM. ARE YOU LOOKING TO PICK UP YOUR CROSS? ARE YOU WILLING TO LOSE YOUR LIFE TO FIND IT? WILL YOU BE STANDING AND ENDURING TO THE END?
OR ARE YOU FOLLOWING AFTER A DOCTRINE OF MAN THAT SAY 'JUDGE YOURSELF WORTHY AND COUNT YOURSELF SAVED AND TAKEN OUT OF THE RACE SET BEFORE YOU. NO CROSS FOR YOU TO BEAR. NO PROVING OF YOU, THE 'CHURCHES' WHO WERE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR STATUS WHILE OTHERS WERE TO BE SPIT OUT BUT THOSE AREN'T BEING RAPTURED INSTEAD THE BODY IS BEING DIVIDED YET AGAIN BY THIS DOTRINE THAT STANDS ON APOSTASY BEING TAKEN TO HEAVEN AND PUTTING OUR LORD AND SAVIOR AT THE FEET OF SATAN, OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN.
Hebrews 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
YOU teach that TRIBULATION is going to be PUNISHMENT for JUDAH and BEHEADINGS FOR THE 'TRIBULATION SAINTS'
(of which they are written of where?) Along with the 'final generation' of CHRISTIANS don't deserve it - it does seem that it just might make them faint in their minds, the thought of tribulation coming to the final generation of Christians.
Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
NOT YET...
Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of Him
AND WE KNOW WHAT FORM CHASTENING COMES IN. TRIBULATION, AFFLICTION, PERSECUTION....
Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth.
SURELY THERE WILL BE SOME BEFORE TRIBULATION WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN...so how could they go without making void the words of God
Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
ALL THE KNOWLEDGE IN THE WORLD DOESN'T HELP IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND what is being said.
Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
MORE PROOF THAT CHRISTIANS WILL GO THROUGH TRIBULATION. AND IT WONT BE THE FIRST TIME...and sure you may be going through it now BUT IT IS STILL THE COURSE SET BEFORE YOU AND THAT DOESN'T CHANGEE. WE RUN THE RACE SET BEFORE US. NOT HALF OF IT
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
SHALL WE NOT MUCH RATHER BE IN SUBJECTION UNTO THE FATHER OF SPIRITS AND LIVE?
Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; BUT HE FOR OUR PROFIT THAT WE MIGHT BE PARTAKERS OF HIS HOLINESS
ONE THING THE RUNDOWN OF THE CHURCHES TELL US IS CHRISTIANS NEED TO BE PROVEN IN THE FINAL GENERATION.
PRE TRIBBERS REALLY NEED TO ABSORB THIS
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless AFTERWARD it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
HOW MANY DIFFERENT WAY ARE WE TOLD IT IS GOOD FOR US TO ENDURE THE THINGS THAT COME UPON US?
Hebrews 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Hebrews 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Hebrews 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Hebrews 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Hebrews 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Hebrews 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Hebrews 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Hebrews 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
NOT AT ALL THE WAY YOU PORTRAY IT TO BE
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel.
Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not HIM that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from HIM that speaketh from heaven:
HERE IS WHAT A PROMISE LOOKS LIKE
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
AND NOT A WORD ABOUT A PRE TRIB RAPTURE ANYWHERE AND MANY MANY PLACES ONE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE FOUND.
IF YOU ARE OF THE FINAL GENERATION THE RACE SET BEFORE YOU IS TRIBULATION CHOICE IS TO EITHER ACCEPT IT OR DENY IT
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
OUR EXAMPLE IS CHRIST WHO ENDURED THE CROSS FOR THE JOY SET BEFORE HIM. ARE YOU LOOKING TO PICK UP YOUR CROSS? ARE YOU WILLING TO LOSE YOUR LIFE TO FIND IT? WILL YOU BE STANDING AND ENDURING TO THE END?
OR ARE YOU FOLLOWING AFTER A DOCTRINE OF MAN THAT SAY 'JUDGE YOURSELF WORTHY AND COUNT YOURSELF SAVED AND TAKEN OUT OF THE RACE SET BEFORE YOU. NO CROSS FOR YOU TO BEAR. NO PROVING OF YOU, THE 'CHURCHES' WHO WERE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR STATUS WHILE OTHERS WERE TO BE SPIT OUT BUT THOSE AREN'T BEING RAPTURED INSTEAD THE BODY IS BEING DIVIDED YET AGAIN BY THIS DOTRINE THAT STANDS ON APOSTASY BEING TAKEN TO HEAVEN AND PUTTING OUR LORD AND SAVIOR AT THE FEET OF SATAN, OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN.
Hebrews 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
YOU teach that TRIBULATION is going to be PUNISHMENT for JUDAH and BEHEADINGS FOR THE 'TRIBULATION SAINTS'
(of which they are written of where?) Along with the 'final generation' of CHRISTIANS don't deserve it - it does seem that it just might make them faint in their minds, the thought of tribulation coming to the final generation of Christians.
Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
NOT YET...
Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of Him
AND WE KNOW WHAT FORM CHASTENING COMES IN. TRIBULATION, AFFLICTION, PERSECUTION....
Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth.
SURELY THERE WILL BE SOME BEFORE TRIBULATION WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN...so how could they go without making void the words of God
Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
ALL THE KNOWLEDGE IN THE WORLD DOESN'T HELP IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND what is being said.
Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
MORE PROOF THAT CHRISTIANS WILL GO THROUGH TRIBULATION. AND IT WONT BE THE FIRST TIME...and sure you may be going through it now BUT IT IS STILL THE COURSE SET BEFORE YOU AND THAT DOESN'T CHANGEE. WE RUN THE RACE SET BEFORE US. NOT HALF OF IT
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
SHALL WE NOT MUCH RATHER BE IN SUBJECTION UNTO THE FATHER OF SPIRITS AND LIVE?
Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; BUT HE FOR OUR PROFIT THAT WE MIGHT BE PARTAKERS OF HIS HOLINESS
ONE THING THE RUNDOWN OF THE CHURCHES TELL US IS CHRISTIANS NEED TO BE PROVEN IN THE FINAL GENERATION.
PRE TRIBBERS REALLY NEED TO ABSORB THIS
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless AFTERWARD it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
HOW MANY DIFFERENT WAY ARE WE TOLD IT IS GOOD FOR US TO ENDURE THE THINGS THAT COME UPON US?
Hebrews 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Hebrews 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Hebrews 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Hebrews 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Hebrews 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Hebrews 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Hebrews 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Hebrews 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
NOT AT ALL THE WAY YOU PORTRAY IT TO BE
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel.
Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not HIM that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from HIM that speaketh from heaven:
HERE IS WHAT A PROMISE LOOKS LIKE
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
AND NOT A WORD ABOUT A PRE TRIB RAPTURE ANYWHERE AND MANY MANY PLACES ONE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE FOUND.
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