The lie that we are sinless if we are saved

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John146

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You are pretending image is about physical flesh.
Read 1 Corinthians 15. We will be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. That's the future redemption of our body, also known as the adoption of sons.
 
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Read 1 Corinthians 15. We will be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. That's the future redemption of our body, also known as the adoption of sons.
Right ...the future ::rolls eyes::

The Kingdom is NOW.
 
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You swat fiery darts ...you don't entertain the thoughts.


Ephesians 6:16
Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.


You are attempting to give people license to sin ...watch yourself.
Lol...Nope

Devil bad
God good
Sin very bad.
No such thing as me promoting sin or me believing you have not sinned in a year
 
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Lol...Nope

Devil bad
God good
Sin very bad.
No such thing as me promoting sin or me believing you have not sinned in a year
You can't have me not sinning ...because then you don't have an excuse to do repeated sin.
 
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And the lies continue to flow from your mouth.
James 1:21-24

Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.



But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.



For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror.



For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like.
 

John146

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Right ...the future ::rolls eyes::

The Kingdom is NOW.
Is your body glorified? Are you complete, body, soul, and spirit? Paul stated that in his flesh dwelleth no good thing. He called our bodies vile, corrupt, mortal. One day that will all change.

The redemption is future:

1 Corinthians 15
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 
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Is your body glorified? Are you complete, body, soul, and spirit? Paul stated that in his flesh dwelleth no good thing. He called our bodies vile, corrupt, mortal. One day that will all change.

The redemption is future:

1 Corinthians 15
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
The Reborn Image is now. It is how we enter The Kingdom. The Glorified Body thing is for the end of time.
 
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James 1:21-24

Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.



But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.



For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror.



For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like.
Paul said he was the chief of Sinners!
He also said, he Crucified [Repented of sins] his flesh daily.

How can you be sinless when Paul never was?
 
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Paul said he was the chief of Sinners!
He also said, he Crucified [Repented of sins] his flesh daily.

How can you be sinless when Paul never was?
i don't do this by myself ...you do it through CHRIST.

Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
 

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The new nature (regenerated spirit) of the believer is without sin, but sin can still reign in the physical body until we are raised in the likeness of Christ's resurrection. I.e., we can still commit acts of sin because we still dwell in a corruptible body, but the acts of sin we commit after being born again no longer originate from our inner man because the inner man has been transformed.
 
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i don't do this by myself ...you do it through CHRIST.

Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
So you are able to get to a place that Paul, who went Heaven for 3 days, could not get to?
 
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So you are able to get to a place that Paul, who went Heaven for 3 days, could not get to?
Swatting evil thoughts does take practice ...but the people in this thread are doing physical sins ...that is just beyond me to think possible if The HOLY SPIRIT is actually in them.
 
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Joe,
Since you are sinless, Paul was in Heaven for 3 days, that means this past year you should have been in heaven at least 100 times. Describe Heaven to us, Joe?
 
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Swatting evil thoughts does take practice ...but the people in this thread are doing physical sins ...that is just beyond me to think possible if The HOLY SPIRIT is actually in them.
Wow, you just claimed to be closer to God than Paul ever was. When are you going to write an epistle so we all can learn how to do what you're doing?
 
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Joe,

You cannot make a claim about being sinless and not know how to teach it to others. How have you been sinless for 365 days and counting?
 
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Joe,

You cannot make a claim about being sinless and not know how to teach it to others. How have you been sinless for 365 days and counting?
Do you get this place is a test to see if you can overcome? It's called withdrawals ...man through it if you want pass this test.
i've been where you are for most of my life. You have to give the beast up. That is what this flesh is all about. You have to stop giving it what it wants ...fasting.

GOD doesn't want animal children.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Do you get this place is a test to see if you can overcome? It's called withdrawals ...man through it if you want pass this test.
pittsburghjoe said:
i've been where you are for most of my life. You have to give the beast up. That is what this flesh is all about. You have to stop giving it what it wants ...fasting.

GOD doesn't want animal children.
And there it is, the Epistle of PittJoe!
 
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Swatting evil thoughts does take practice ...but the people in this thread are doing physical sins ...that is just beyond me to think possible if The HOLY SPIRIT is actually in them.
What physical sins are we committing?
Pray tell let us know.
 
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What physical sins are we committing?
Pray tell let us know.
i'm not a palm reader ...but you obviously are doing them if you are fighting me tooth and nail to keep them.

READ THIS ...all of it


1 John 3:4-10 ESV

4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.

6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.