Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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What's being ordained in the particular verse in question is the preaching of the gospel. The element of Prophecy being taken from the book of Isaiah, the element of authority as it is the Lord commanded it, the element of preparation, as God prepares Paul to reach other and the element of appointment, to carry out the gospel truth so that those who believe would have eternal life. Hope this helps you understand the word in context and the right dividing of God's word.
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This verse in Acts 13 used by the Hyper Calvinists to prove that God ordains people to get saved in the sense He chooses them to get saved against their depraved will. You should note that the word "ordain never fixes anything absolutely. See Lk. 7:8; Rom. 13:1; Acts 28:23, Matt. 28:16; 1 Cor. 9:14; 7:17. Paul ordained some things and that no more meant they were absolutely fixed to come to pass than if he hadn't used the word. (Rom. 13:1) The meaning is obviously that as many as were disposed to believe the message, believed.
(Rom. 2:7) - God doesn't ordain any Gentile to eternal life until he has followed his conscience and is willing to hear the Word of God (vs. 42,48) "ordained" something God allows to come to pass.
(Rom. 2:7) - God doesn't ordain any Gentile to eternal life until he has followed his conscience and is willing to hear the Word of God (vs. 42,48) "ordained" something God allows to come to pass.
Wow! Could it be that in the replies of fredoheaven and John146, we have actually encountered real-life instances of 1Co 2:14?
[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
John146:
"This verse in Acts 13 used by the Hyper Calvinists to prove that God ordains people to get saved in the sense He chooses them to get saved against their depraved will. You should note that the word "ordain never fixes anything absolutely. See Lk. 7:8; Rom. 13:1; Acts 28:23, Matt. 28:16; 1 Cor. 9:14; 7:17. Paul ordained some things and that no more meant they were absolutely fixed to come to pass than if he hadn't used the word. (Rom. 13:1) The meaning is obviously that as many as were disposed to believe the message, believed.
(Rom. 2:7) - God doesn't ordain any Gentile to eternal life until he has followed his conscience and is willing to hear the Word of God (vs. 42,48) "ordained" something God allows to come to pass. "
fredoheaven:
"That doesn't make sense. You are just looking on Calvinistic idea, not reasoning out the scripture. Where is that natural man cannot comprehend spiritual things? Umm.."
[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
John146:
"This verse in Acts 13 used by the Hyper Calvinists to prove that God ordains people to get saved in the sense He chooses them to get saved against their depraved will. You should note that the word "ordain never fixes anything absolutely. See Lk. 7:8; Rom. 13:1; Acts 28:23, Matt. 28:16; 1 Cor. 9:14; 7:17. Paul ordained some things and that no more meant they were absolutely fixed to come to pass than if he hadn't used the word. (Rom. 13:1) The meaning is obviously that as many as were disposed to believe the message, believed.
(Rom. 2:7) - God doesn't ordain any Gentile to eternal life until he has followed his conscience and is willing to hear the Word of God (vs. 42,48) "ordained" something God allows to come to pass. "
fredoheaven:
"That doesn't make sense. You are just looking on Calvinistic idea, not reasoning out the scripture. Where is that natural man cannot comprehend spiritual things? Umm.."
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FreeGrace2 said:
When a poster knows he can't defend himself or refute the posts of others, this is the typical response.
I have provided verses that SAY what I believe. Unlike calvinism.
What is really ludicrous is believing something the Bible doesn't say.
Things like:
1. Christ died only for the elect
2. God elects to salvation
3. one must be regenerated in order to believe for salvation
4. all believers will persevere to the end
When a poster knows he can't defend himself or refute the posts of others, this is the typical response.
I have provided verses that SAY what I believe. Unlike calvinism.
What is really ludicrous is believing something the Bible doesn't say.
Things like:
1. Christ died only for the elect
2. God elects to salvation
3. one must be regenerated in order to believe for salvation
4. all believers will persevere to the end
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fredoheaven said:
What's being ordained in the particular verse in question is the preaching of the gospel. The element of Prophecy being taken from the book of Isaiah, the element of authority as it is the Lord commanded it, the element of preparation, as God prepares Paul to reach other and the element of appointment, to carry out the gospel truth so that those who believe would have eternal life. Hope this helps you understand the word in context and the right dividing of God's word.
Because there are no verses that say that. Why accept a claim that isn't in the Bible?
What's being ordained in the particular verse in question is the preaching of the gospel. The element of Prophecy being taken from the book of Isaiah, the element of authority as it is the Lord commanded it, the element of preparation, as God prepares Paul to reach other and the element of appointment, to carry out the gospel truth so that those who believe would have eternal life. Hope this helps you understand the word in context and the right dividing of God's word.
Because there are no verses that say that. Why accept a claim that isn't in the Bible?
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Are you actually suggesting or claiming that none of us are saved and can't therefore understand Scripture?
If so, how arrogant. You have no authority to make that kind of judgment. All 3 of us have clearly explained the gospel of Jesus Christ, so your insinuation is beyond absurd.
The problem is that you have been shown clear Scripture that refutes your ideas and you reject them.
You have NOT provided any clear Scripture that supports your ideas.
If so, how arrogant. You have no authority to make that kind of judgment. All 3 of us have clearly explained the gospel of Jesus Christ, so your insinuation is beyond absurd.
The problem is that you have been shown clear Scripture that refutes your ideas and you reject them.
You have NOT provided any clear Scripture that supports your ideas.
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I hope you’re not suggesting we are not saved and have not the Holy Spirit. We can debate all day long about Calvinism, but I would never suggest a Calvinist is not saved. One can fall under false doctrine and still be saved. Calvinism is a lie straight from the RCC.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
You are just asking for my understanding of Acts 13:38?
[Act 13:38 KJV] 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men [and] brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
I think it means that after becoming born again and having been reckoned the faith of Christ through the Holy Spirit,
and by the Holy Spirit, our faith and knowledge in/of Christ grows through learning more about Him as Saviour.
The doctrine of the forgiveness of sin through Christ was being taught to them in Act 13:38 I believe.
Hope that makes sense. If not, please let me know and I'll try to clarify.
[Act 13:38 KJV] 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men [and] brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
I think it means that after becoming born again and having been reckoned the faith of Christ through the Holy Spirit,
and by the Holy Spirit, our faith and knowledge in/of Christ grows through learning more about Him as Saviour.
The doctrine of the forgiveness of sin through Christ was being taught to them in Act 13:38 I believe.
Hope that makes sense. If not, please let me know and I'll try to clarify.
Lets just use YOUR OWN proof.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The heart of stone CAN'T do the things that you attribute to it. The heart of stone can't WILL ITSELF the faith it requires to be Saved.
The heart of stone has to be removed by God and replaced with a heart of flesh. In order to be GIVEN the Faith that Saves.
Just like Ephesians 2:8 states. Just like Romans 10:10 and Ezekiel 36:26 show. In perfect harmony with 1 Corinthians 2:14.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
It is amazing to see the Truth of Scripture when the whole bible is in harmony.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The heart of stone CAN'T do the things that you attribute to it. The heart of stone can't WILL ITSELF the faith it requires to be Saved.
The heart of stone has to be removed by God and replaced with a heart of flesh. In order to be GIVEN the Faith that Saves.
Just like Ephesians 2:8 states. Just like Romans 10:10 and Ezekiel 36:26 show. In perfect harmony with 1 Corinthians 2:14.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
It is amazing to see the Truth of Scripture when the whole bible is in harmony.
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