We the new chosen people, are Jews no longer chosen people?

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BroTan

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The regathering is beginning. Before 1948 there was no where to gather to. Of course it will not be "completely" fulfilled until the second coming. smh The point is it has begun.
No need to smh you have not provided one scriptures or verse proving what you saying. Paul says Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21
 
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No need to smh you have not provided one scriptures or verse proving what you saying. Paul says Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21


Are you kidding me?! Go back and read what I've posted. Plenty of Scripture. Please don't comment on my posts if you're going to be dishonest about what I have said.
 

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Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

This makes it clear

God planted a Holy olive tree, God looked after, cared for and tended that tree. The time came when that tree needed pruning...
Those that did not accept the gospel were cut out and those that did accept the gospel were grafted in.

We are all part of the same tree if we believe in Jesus. Jews and Gentiles are able to be part of the same tree and the bloodline does not save you from being cut out or saved.
 

Beckie

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The Jewish religion is antichrist.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


In Christ
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

Beckie

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The regathering is beginning. Before 1948 there was no where to gather to. Of course it will not be "completely" fulfilled until the second coming. smh The point is it has begun.
Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
 
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Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

We're talking the covenant made with Abraham, future, still to be fulfilled.
 
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The Jewish religion is antichrist.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Romans 11 -
What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”



11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!


25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”



And this is my what??? " my covenant with them"!!
What will happen??? " when I take away their sins.”!!

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

His gifts and call are what?? God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Because of His UNCONDITIONAL COVENANT with the Gentiles, the church? No, ISRAEL.

Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience that he may have mercy on them all.

 

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We're talking the covenant made with Abraham, future, still to be fulfilled.
Joshua's time was after that of Abraham's correct? Please post the Scriptures that tell us, explains to us, God did not fulfill that covenant at the time of Joshua?
 

Beckie

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Romans 11 -
What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”



11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!


25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”



And this is my what??? " my covenant with them"!!
What will happen??? " when I take away their sins.”!!

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

His gifts and call are what?? God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Because of His UNCONDITIONAL COVENANT with the Gentiles, the church? No, ISRAEL.

Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience that he may have mercy on them all.
Please notice i was not speaking of the people i said clearly the Jewish religion is antichrist while posting Scripture that shows it it be so.
 
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Joshua's time was after that of Abraham's correct? Please post the Scriptures that tell us, explains to us, God did not fulfill that covenant at the time of Joshua?
And Romans was written after the time of Joshua, very plain what Romans is saying. The covenant is mentioned toward the end. Because of the unconditional covenant...
 
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Please notice i was not speaking of the people i said clearly the Jewish religion is antichrist while posting Scripture that shows it it be so.

Yes, the Jews are blinded for a time. We know they won't come to Christianity in any major way because of this. It will not be until the anti-Christ comes that they will realize that the Messiah is Jesus.
 

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The Jewish religion is antichrist.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


In Christ
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

LOL look this is really an unlearned comment. The Jewish traditions and Religion like it or not Jesus followed. If it were not for the Jewish God's Elect Gentiles would not know Christ. Paul is very clear

"do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you."
Romans 11:18


Speaking evil of the Jews is not the Christian thing to do. In fact, it is not Christ-like.
 

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We are the new chosen people, but God has not rejected his people, they rejected God.
Hello Blik. Believers have always been Gods' chosen people, regardless of race. Unbelievers aren't Gods' people, no matter what race they come from.
 

Beckie

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And Romans was written after the time of Joshua, very plain what Romans is saying. The covenant is mentioned toward the end. Because of the unconditional covenant...

Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Deu 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

I read 5 passages that show conditions. .. Maybe, Mom tells Sally If you clean you room you can use the car. cleaning the room is a condition. Ok Jack be honest and tell the truth then we will go to the game. confessing is a condition Obedience is a condition...
 

Beckie

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LOL look this is really an unlearned comment. The Jewish traditions and Religion like it or not Jesus followed. If it were not for the Jewish God's Elect Gentiles would not know Christ. Paul is very clear

"do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you."
Romans 11:18


Speaking evil of the Jews is not the Christian thing to do. In fact, it is not Christ-like.

Was that before the His Cross? I do not write this words ..

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


In Christ
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Does the Jewish religion embrace Christ as the Messiah?
 
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LOL look this is really an unlearned comment. The Jewish traditions and Religion like it or not Jesus followed. If it were not for the Jewish God's Elect Gentiles would not know Christ. Paul is very clear

"do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you."
Romans 11:18


Speaking evil of the Jews is not the Christian thing to do. In fact, it is not Christ-like.

Wish I could this two "winners". God consistently said "I am their God", He proved Himself true time and time again no matter how often the Jews messed up. He said "Come back to me". But some Christians refuse to believe God will keep His promise, to the Jews, but assured He will keep His promise to them. smh
 

Beckie

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Wish I could this two "winners". God consistently said "I am their God", He proved Himself true time and time again no matter how often the Jews messed up. He said "Come back to me". But some Christians refuse to believe God will keep His promise, to the Jews, but assured He will keep His promise to them. smh
Some Christians dont believe He did. :)
In light of the passages in post #554 do you still accept the dispensational teaching that the covenant was unconditional. I am often glad the first Bible i ever read parts of was a Scofield
 

Blik

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The Jewish religion is antichrist.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


In Christ
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
They are antiChrist but not anti the one true God. They even believe in the Messiah, but they have it wrong by not accepting that the Messiah has come.
 

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Was that before the His Cross? I do not write this words ..

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


In Christ
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Does the Jewish religion embrace Christ as the Messiah?
there is none in Christ that are Jew or Greek yes, however, the elect of God are still God's people even if they reject HIM. Isreal became a nation again as God said they would. God still raises up His people and yet they still have the freedom to reject God as we all do.
 

Beckie

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They are antiChrist but not anti the one true God. They even believe in the Messiah, but they have it wrong by not accepting that the Messiah has come.
2Jn_1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn_1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: