Is this the end of the US as a superpower?

[wintersrain]

I can prove you wrong by the Scriptures.

Mat_23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

There are other passages I could cite as well but these are enough to make the point. Matthew 23 - God WOULD HAVE gathered the people of Jerusalem, but they WOULD NOT allow it.

2 Peter 3:9 - God IS NOT WILLING that any should perish, but the Bible makes it clear that MUCH of humanity will perish:

Mat_7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

None of this detracts from God's sovereignty one whit. God has simply allowed us free will according to His purposes. Sure, He COULD overrule free will at any time. And He actually will do so one day; the Bible says that EVERY KNEE WILL BOW to Christ, willing or unwilling, when He finally comes into His own as conquering King.

But for now, this Earth realm is an arena of choice and consequence, and IT IS SO because of the sovereignty of God, not in spite of it.

Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”
Matthew 22
Ephesians 1
1 Corinthians 2
1 Peter 1:2 According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

Isaiah 45:
5. I am the Lord, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not acknowledged me,
6 so that from the rising of the sun
to the place of its setting
people may know there is none besides me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other.
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.

8 “You heavens above, rain down my righteousness;
let the clouds shower it down.
Let the earth open wide,
let salvation spring up,
let righteousness flourish with it;
I, the Lord, have created it.
9 “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker,
those who are nothing but potsherds
among the potsherds on the ground.
Does the clay say to the potter,
‘What are you making?’
Does your work say,
‘The potter has no hands’?
10 Woe to the one who says to a father,
‘What have you begotten?’
or to a mother,
‘What have you brought to birth?’
11 “This is what the Lord says—
the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker:
Concerning things to come,
do you question me about my children,
or give me orders about the work of my hands?
12 It is I who made the earth
and created mankind on it.
My own hands stretched out the heavens;
I marshaled their starry hosts.

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You believe the clay can choose to be glass. You are wrong.

 

[JStates]

Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”
Matthew 22
Ephesians 1
1 Corinthians 2
1 Peter 1:2 According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

Isaiah 45:
5. I am the Lord, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not acknowledged me,
6 so that from the rising of the sun
to the place of its setting
people may know there is none besides me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other.
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.

8 “You heavens above, rain down my righteousness;
let the clouds shower it down.
Let the earth open wide,
let salvation spring up,
let righteousness flourish with it;
I, the Lord, have created it.
9 “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker,
those who are nothing but potsherds
among the potsherds on the ground.
Does the clay say to the potter,
‘What are you making?’
Does your work say,
‘The potter has no hands’?
10 Woe to the one who says to a father,
‘What have you begotten?’
or to a mother,
‘What have you brought to birth?’
11 “This is what the Lord says—
the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker:
Concerning things to come,
do you question me about my children,
or give me orders about the work of my hands?
12 It is I who made the earth
and created mankind on it.
My own hands stretched out the heavens;
I marshaled their starry hosts.

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
You believe the clay can choose to be glass. You are wrong.

And this is why I absolutely hate this particular discussion of free will versus sovereignty. It always seems to come down to a complete disagreement about terms and definitions.

I never suggested human free will was absolutely free. That would require omnipotence, which none of us has. I can will to be a woman as much as I want, it will never happen. Even life circumstance is usually beyond the power of most of us to change. I wanted to be a marine biologist. That was my will. Life circumstance (or Divine Providence, if you will) did not permit that to happen.

But choices to act, choices to believe, choices to respond, choices of attitude -- all free will.

 

[wintersrain]

And this is why I absolutely hate this particular discussion of free will versus sovereignty. It always seems to come down to a complete disagreement about terms and definitions.

I never suggested human free will was absolutely free. That would require omnipotence, which none of us has. I can will to be a woman as much as I want, it will never happen. Even life circumstance is usually beyond the power of most of us to change. I wanted to be a marine biologist. That was my will. Life circumstance (or Divine Providence, if you will) did not permit that to happen.

But choices to act, choices to believe, choices to respond, choices of attitude -- all free will.

No it wouldn't require our having omnipotence. What you were denying till now is God's omnipotence.

Try this on.

Your "free will" and "choices" are actually you putting your steps where God foreordained them to fall.
Look at Jeremiah 10, Romans 8, Psalm 37

The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. Proverbs 16:9

 

[Gideon300]

Contrary to what our enemies hope, America is not going to be defeated as a superpower.

America didn't keep its head in the sand during the start of WW2 either. Citizens banded together in a support effort after our government, whom we couldn't control even then apparently, and our president signed a non-aggression pact with AH.
Our president knew. He decided to let it happen and promised our forces wouldn't intervene. The Pope knew too. And not one Nazi Catholic was excommunicated.

There's a lot of evil in the world. And a lot of collaborators too. Unfortunately, America seems to be the one target for the greatest hate and disrespect by those who not surprisingly don't live here. God Blesses America! Especially as our Godless enemies wish we'd fall. Amen!

I've watched the steady and terrible decline of America over the last 50 years. It is a spiritual issue, not natural. America funded and promoted the rise of China. America was at the forefront of pro abortion law. America decided that it was ok to teach that people were glorified apes, but not that God is the creator of all things. America decided to push God out of the classroom. American youth glorified sex, drugs, rock music and rebellion against authority.

What has been the result? A lot of mixture. Not all were swept up in the whirlpool of evil. The Vietnam fiasco was terrible for the US, but the fall of the USSR a triumph. And that was God's doing, not man's. In Iraq, the US won the war but lost the peace. Afghanistan was a total fiasco. Who can forget the Bay of Pigs? But Kennedy stared down Kruschev. Libya is another well meant catastrophe. And so on and so forth.

Throw in a mix of PC wokeness, the end of free speech, rebellion against God's order of male and female, the legalisation of same sex "marriage" (an oxymoron if ever there was one), the promotion of homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle, and it's clear that America has started to rot from within.

God makes nations great. He can pull that nation down as well. "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people." Proverbs 14:34

Why is all this happening? It's the responsibility of the church. We are meant to be salt and light. Salt is a preservative. It does not change the state of a food, for example, but it will maintain it in an edible state. The only hope for any nation is repentance, humility and prayer.

I'm English. There was a time when around a quarter of the world was controlled by a tiny nation with few natural resources. Queen Victoria waved a Bible and said, "It is this book that has made Britain great". Britain no longer rules the waves. It's decline as an empire followed its spirtitual decline, especially allying itself to Muslims and treating Israel with contempt. God is not mocked.

 

[Gideon300]

And this is why I absolutely hate this particular discussion of free will versus sovereignty. It always seems to come down to a complete disagreement about terms and definitions.

I never suggested human free will was absolutely free. That would require omnipotence, which none of us has. I can will to be a woman as much as I want, it will never happen. Even life circumstance is usually beyond the power of most of us to change. I wanted to be a marine biologist. That was my will. Life circumstance (or Divine Providence, if you will) did not permit that to happen.

But choices to act, choices to believe, choices to respond, choices of attitude -- all free will.

Well said. It can easily be said that God does not have free will. The Bible says that He cannot lie.

 

[wintersrain]

I've watched the steady and terrible decline of America over the last 50 years. It is a spiritual issue, not natural. America funded and promoted the rise of China. America was at the forefront of pro abortion law. America decided that it was ok to teach that people were glorified apes, but not that God is the creator of all things. America decided to push God out of the classroom. American youth glorified sex, drugs, rock music and rebellion against authority.

What has been the result? A lot of mixture. Not all were swept up in the whirlpool of evil. The Vietnam fiasco was terrible for the US, but the fall of the USSR a triumph. And that was God's doing, not man's. In Iraq, the US won the war but lost the peace. Afghanistan was a total fiasco. Who can forget the Bay of Pigs? But Kennedy stared down Kruschev. Libya is another well meant catastrophe. And so on and so forth.

Throw in a mix of PC wokeness, the end of free speech, rebellion against God's order of male and female, the legalisation of same sex "marriage" (an oxymoron if ever there was one), the promotion of homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle, and it's clear that America has started to rot from within.

God makes nations great. He can pull that nation down as well. "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people." Proverbs 14:34

Why is all this happening? It's the responsibility of the church. We are meant to be salt and light. Salt is a preservative. It does not change the state of a food, for example, but it will maintain it in an edible state. The only hope for any nation is repentance, humility and prayer.

I'm English. There was a time when around a quarter of the world was controlled by a tiny nation with few natural resources. Queen Victoria waved a Bible and said, "It is this book that has made Britain great". Britain no longer rules the waves. It's decline as an empire followed its spirtitual decline, especially allying itself to Muslims and treating Israel with contempt. God is not mocked.

"God is not mocked."

Well, he's clearly amused because we're all still here.

 

[wintersrain]

Well said. It can easily be said that God does not have free will. The Bible says that He cannot lie.

God does not have free will? It can easily be said?

 

[Gideon300]

"God is not mocked."

Well, he's clearly amused because we're all still here.

Be glad that He is more patient than we are
2 Peter 3&4, 8&9
. …Most importantly, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. “Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “ Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”

8Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

 

[RichMan]

Contrary to what our enemies hope, America is not going to be defeated as a superpower.

America didn't keep its head in the sand during the start of WW2 either. Citizens banded together in a support effort after our government, whom we couldn't control even then apparently, and our president signed a non-aggression pact with AH.
Our president knew. He decided to let it happen and promised our forces wouldn't intervene. The Pope knew too. And not one Nazi Catholic was excommunicated.

There's a lot of evil in the world. And a lot of collaborators too. Unfortunately, America seems to be the one target for the greatest hate and disrespect by those who not surprisingly don't live here. God Blesses America! Especially as our Godless enemies wish we'd fall. Amen!

I agree our enemies will not take us down, but God will and those He chooses to use are those He chooses to use.
This breaks the heart of this proud American.

 

[wintersrain]

I agree our enemies will not take us down, but God will and those He chooses to use are those He chooses to use.
This breaks the heart of this proud American.

I don't think I would predict what God will do.

 

[RichMan]

I don't think I would predict what God will do.

Not predicting just stating what Scripture says.

 

[wintersrain]

Not predicting just stating what Scripture says.

Where does scripture tell us God will make America to fall?

 

[RichMan]

Where does scripture tell us God will make America to fall?

Rev. 11:18 for one.

 

[wintersrain]

Rev. 11:18 for one.

No mention of America in that verse. Whereas is able to be claimed as pertaining to any nation.
Including third world.

 

[RichMan]

No mention of America in that verse. Whereas is able to be claimed as pertaining to any nation.
Including third world.

Do you really believe America will not be included in the nations?
I love this nation.
God has blessed it greatly.
But this nation have become very wicked.
We lead the world in the murder of babies.
We lead the world in the production and consuming of pronographic material.
We are the largest consumer of drugs.
Shall I go on?

 

[wintersrain]

Do you really believe America will not be included in the nations?
I love this nation.
God has blessed it greatly.
But this nation have become very wicked.
We lead the world in the murder of babies.
We lead the world in the production and consuming of pronographic material.
We are the largest consumer of drugs.
Shall I go on?

We lead the world in murdering babies. Guess what? If you read the Bible you'll find God murdered babies! And pregnant women. And in different passages of the Old Testament and because he is God and as some Christians insist, is able to do what he will with his creation!
And he did!
And he does!
As for pornography? So what?
It's a matter of maturity. Christian or not.
If you're against abortion, it's really easy. Don't have one! Don't have unprotected sex so that you as a male are responsible for a woman having to arrive at a choice!

If you're against pornography, it is again a matter of maturity. Don't be a consumer of pornography.

If you're against alcohol, don't drink!

Drugs? Don't use drugs!

It's the world! You know, where Satan remains lord by God's will?

Get it?
If you're in Christ the world's ways are not your ways. So why concern yourself with the world when you're not suppose to be of the world? Even though you are living in this world?

Because carping over the few matters you describe is actually arguing as to why Satan is Lord of this world? When all that is going on is suppose to be of his realm and controls. Sins. Remember?

Those aren't evidence America is damned nor doomed! God is everywhere in America. And Satan is lord of this world. You're responsible for showing God is active and present in America! I am. Every Christian is. The world is going to do what it wants and always has.
Because it is doing so doesn't mean God has lost ground anywhere on earth.

Stop giving Satan credit by implying sin is proof God isn't a factor in America any longer.

 

[RichMan]

We lead the world in murdering babies. Guess what? If you read the Bible you'll find God murdered babies! And pregnant women. And in different passages of the Old Testament and because he is God and as some Christians insist, is able to do what he will with his creation!
And he did!
And he does!
As for pornography? So what?
It's a matter of maturity. Christian or not.
If you're against abortion, it's really easy. Don't have one! Don't have unprotected sex so that you as a male are responsible for a woman having to arrive at a choice!

If you're against pornography, it is again a matter of maturity. Don't be a consumer of pornography.

If you're against alcohol, don't drink!

Drugs? Don't use drugs!

It's the world! You know, where Satan remains lord by God's will?

Get it?
If you're in Christ the world's ways are not your ways. So why concern yourself with the world when you're not suppose to be of the world? Even though you are living in this world?

Because carping over the few matters you describe is actually arguing as to why Satan is Lord of this world? When all that is going on is suppose to be of his realm and controls. Sins. Remember?

Those aren't evidence America is damned nor doomed! God is everywhere in America. And Satan is lord of this world. You're responsible for showing God is active and present in America! I am. Every Christian is. The world is going to do what it wants and always has.
Because it is doing so doesn't mean God has lost ground anywhere on earth.

Stop giving Satan credit by implying sin is proof God isn't a factor in America any longer.

You live in a dream.
God was present in Israel, but judgment came.
God is present in America, but so is Satan.
False teacher abound in America.
Those who are living for God and teaching the truth are in the minority.
Judgment is coming.

 

[wintersrain]

You live in a dream.
God was present in Israel, but judgment came.
God is present in America, but so is Satan.
False teacher abound in America.
Those who are living for God and teaching the truth are in the minority.
Judgment is coming.

Lord! Another one that doesn't bother to read what people say.

 

[montana123]

Where does scripture tell us God will make America to fall?

America will fall as will all nations because the world will come together for a one world government and they will stop the preaching of the Gospel on a world wide scale giving heed to the new age movement interpretation of the Bible based on the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual( 1Timothy 4:1-5; 2 Timothy 4:1-4).

God said He is going to gather all nations together against Jerusalem to battle and then go forth and fight against those nations as He did in the day of battle and then the LORD shall be King over all the earth which in that day there shall be one LORD and His name one.

So that includes America.

America reminds me of Babylon when they rode on eagle's wings for they had the revelation of God because king Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged the God of Israel as the greatest god of the gods and God flourished his kingdom.

But Babylon blew it when the king's son took the throne so God took the kingdom from them and gave it to the Medes and Persians and the eagle's wings were plucked and they were made to stand on the feet of a man which means Babylon represents the kingdom of man.

The Bible says Babylon will never have physical dominion again so the beast kingdom in Revelation is Babylon in spirit for they established type of kingdom again which is the kingdom of man and Babylon was known for human religion and the occult which the beast, New Age Christ will be of the occult.

America is like Babylon and they will blow it too and fall which the Bible says the daughter of Babylon which I believe is America.

Also in Revelation 18 it describes a certain nation with that lived deliciously and in pleasure, and exalted herself, and her sins have reached unto heaven, and she did trade with the world which she deceived the world and did trade with the world which the World Trade Center is in New York.

So I believe it is America that it is speaking about which you can see America has the Babylonian spirit as they allow all religions in their country including the occult and the new age movement.

United Nations headquarters New York.

On the back of the dollar bill announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Where does scripture tell us God will make America to fall?

Scripture does not say that. And America is falling because it has rejected everything it stood for -- including trust in God.