Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[brightfame52]

Remission of sins means Justification !

When does those Christ died for have remission of sins before God's Law and Justice ? Yes its before they believe or have Faith. Remission of sins is secured for all whom Christ died by the Blood of Christ, and that alone. Matt 26:28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Christ's blood shed gives the many " remission of sins' !

Heb 9:22

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

That word remission also is translated forgiveness . Its the greek word aphesis and means:

release from bondage or imprisonment

2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

Also deliverance and liberty.

The Justification aspect of it is remission of the penalty of ones sins.

Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

They had remission or forgiveness of sins through His Blood and according to the Riches Grace. This had nothing to do with what they did.

Now forgiveness = Acquittal = Vindication= Justification !

This forgiveness is letting the subject go from the guilt of their sins as though the had not committed anything.

Now when Jesus rose from the dead for those He died for it was said to be because of their Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Now the word for Justification is the greek word dikaiōsis:

the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him

That's the Forgiveness aspect of Justification, those Christ died for and because of His Blood,has freed them from Guilt Legally before God, and that's their Justification before God, apart from anything they said or did or even knew about in their dead state.

One Gospel writer wrote by the name of John Johnson:

Remission of Sins: Remission of Sins is to be considered judicially; as it is a legal acquittance in the court of God’s justice; or the judicial sentence, whereby the sinner is pronounced righteous, his person justified, his sins remitted, and himself acquitted from all indictment, charge, guilt or condemnation in the sight of God a consequence of the full atonement, and ample satisfaction made by the blood of Christ.​

Hence because of this Remission of sins should be preached in His Name ! Lk 24:47

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

He has already accomplished the Remission of their sins or their Justification, and its to be preached to them in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Now to deny this Truth is to deny the Blood of Christ and its accomplishment on behalf of the Many Matt 26:28 ! 7

 

[brightfame52]

Remission of sins means Justification ! 2

All for whom Christ died, they have been forgiven of all sins, none are even imputed to them by God. 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This[Non Imputation] is joined with forgiveness Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.2 Cor 5:19

Since this is True, they are free from the penalty of sin which is death.For death is the wages for sin imputed or charged. Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But if God does not impute sin Rom 4:8 upon a person or persons, then they are released from that penalty of death. Where no penalty of sin death exists, life must be granted, hence Justification of Life Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

All men whom Christ died for, released them from penalty of Death, do have Eternal Life charged to them. Jn 10:27-28

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

That word give as in give eternal life, it is the greek word didōmi which means to:

to give

2) to give something to someone

a) of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage

1) to bestow a gift

Remember Eternal Life is a Gift given through Jesus Christ Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The Gift is bestowed or given because through Jesus Christ death, they are forgiven of all sins, none can be imputed to them Rom 4:8

So Eternal Life is bestowed or given. The word bestowed means to impart . This Gift of Eternal Life is given or bestowed or imparted by New Birth from out of the dead Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

That word quickened means :

to make one alive together,to produce alive, begat or bear living young

2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

And that Life given in quickening is Eternal Life from Jesus Christ ! That's because of Justification of life and Remission of sins through His Blood alone !


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[OIC1965]

You believe like most religionist believe, that Justification before God is conditioned on man !

Wrong. Faith is a gift of God.

 

[OIC1965]

Evasion, according to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?

You cannot separate Galatians 3:13 from Galatians 3:1-12 and the rest of the chapter. You can’t separate it from the rest of the book either, for that matter.

 

[OIC1965]

I highlight verses that are within the context ! They are truth.

You separate Galatians 3:13 from the rest of the chapter and the rest of the book and the rest of th e Bible by omitting the fact that we are justified by faith. Galatians 3:8, Galatians 3:11, Galatians 3:24, Galatians 2:16.

 

[OIC1965]

Those Christ died for are Justified before God before they believe and while ungodly. Rom 4:5 Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9 before they believe.

We were ungodly, we believed, we were justified, we were washed, and we were sanctified.

Where does Romans 5:9 say we were justified before we believed? Romans 5:1 says we are justified by faith. Context, context, context!!!!

 

[OIC1965]

No you dont agree with the Apostle because you dont understand the Apostle. You are a conditionalist and Pau and I aren't.

Nope. Faith is a gift of God

 

[OIC1965]

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith… Apostle Paul. Romans 3:28.

I’ll agree with the apostle Paul on this one.

Bump for Brightfame

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Yes its before they believe or have Faith.

nope ... it is written ...

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".

those Christ died for and because of His Blood,has freed them from Guilt Legally before God, and that's their Justification before God

the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world

John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Please note that John 3:16 aligns with Romans 4:20 - 5:1 ... it is your erroneous dogma which does not align with what is written in Scripture.
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[reneweddaybyday]

All for whom Christ died, they have been forgiven of all sins, none are even imputed to them by God.

the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world

John 3:

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Remember Eternal Life is a Gift given through Jesus Christ Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Read what is written in Rom 6:16-18 ... a couple of verses before Rom 6:23:

Romans 6:

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Those who have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine [i.e. believe the gospel] are the ones who are spoken of in Romans 6:23:

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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[OIC1965]

Again Justification is conditioned on what Christ did. You condition Justification on what man does.

Justification is conditioned on what God does in our heart through the Holy Spirit. Didn’t you know that faith is not of ourselves, but is a gift of God?!!!! Ephesians 1:9. For by Grace we are saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Ephesians 1:10 And that we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus?!!! God Is the one who begins the work and God is the one who finishes it.

I perceive that your problem is a sub biblical understanding of what faith is.

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong. Faith is a gift of God.

Sure faith is the Gift of God, thats an off the wall comment !

 

[brightfame52]

You cannot separate Galatians 3:13 from Galatians 3:1-12 and the rest of the chapter. You can’t separate it from the rest of the book either, for that matter.

You cant separate it either So what does it say. According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?

 

[brightfame52]

Nope. Faith is a gift of God

Yep, but what does that have to do with you being a conditionalist ?

 

[brightfame52]

We were ungodly, we believed, we were justified, we were washed, and we were sanctified.

Where does Romans 5:9 say we were justified before we believed? Romans 5:1 says we are justified by faith. Context, context, context!!!!

Those Christ died for are Justified before God before they believe and while ungodly. Rom 4:5

 

[OIC1965]

You cant separate it either So what does it say. According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?

By becoming a curse for us. Now answer me this, according to Galatians 3:24, what were they locked up under and how were they justified (according to the purpose phrase at the end of the verse)?

 

[brightfame52]

the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world

John 3:

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.





Read what is written in Rom 6:16-18 ... a couple of verses before Rom 6:23:

Romans 6:

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Those who have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine [i.e. believe the gospel] are the ones who are spoken of in Romans 6:23:

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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All for whom Christ died, they have been forgiven of all sins, none are even imputed to them by God.

 

[OIC1965]

Those Christ died for are Justified before God before they believe and while ungodly. Rom 4:5

Where are the words “ before they believe” in Romans 4:5? Romans 4:5 says that those who believe have their faith credited/counted as righteousness to them. Faith counted as righteousness is justification.

 

[OIC1965]

You cant separate it either So what does it say. According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?

edit: by Christ becoming a curse for us. Now according to the purpose clause at the end of verse 24, by what means were they justified?

 

[OIC1965]

Sure faith is the Gift of God, thats an off the wall comment !

If faith is a gift of God, why do you argue as if you think it is a work that we produce?!!