Biblical meaning of mind and heart

[Blik]

It wasn’t until the fourth century when Hippocrates believed the brain was the seat of intelligence that it wasn’t considered common knowledge that the heart is where thought came from. When the men who wrote the words God inspired them to write wrote the words translated as heart in scripture they thought they were writing about the mind.

What do you think the Lord means us to know when we are told about the heart in scripture?

We are told to guard our heart:

Proverbs 4:23-26 says, “Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life. Put away from you crooked speech, and put devious talk far from you. Let your eyes look directly forward, and your gaze be straight before you. Ponder the path of your feet; then all your ways will be sure.”

We are also told to watch what we let in our minds:

Phil. 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Such a great question and thread.

I would say that our "Heart" is the equivalent of our Spirit. Spiritual Circumcision is the cutting away, or removal of the Adamic Curse as outlined in Romans chapter 5. It is because of this Curse that we discover the Purpose of Christ, the Work of Christ, and the Effect of Christ. Without Circumcision of the Heart, there is no Salvation.

Of course, I have stated this so much so that I have become a bore to many on this forum. I've been here nearly one year and to date, no one has accepted this core Biblical doctrine. My efforts have amounted to nothing, though the Bible is completely, totally, and utterly clear about it.

With the ideas of impending doom looming over us; with the ideas of nuclear fall-out in this world, I hope that people will finally listen and agree that we must receive the Spiritual Circumcision of Christ. Until that Circumcision takes place, there is no granted Repentance; there is no gift of the Holy Spirit, and the death of Christ on the Cross will have done "you" no good at all.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It wasn’t until the fourth century when Hippocrates believed the brain was the seat of intelligence that it wasn’t considered common knowledge that the heart is where thought came from. When the men who wrote the words God inspired them to write wrote the words translated as heart in scripture they thought they were writing about the mind.

What do you think the Lord means us to know when we are told about the heart in scripture?

We are told to guard our heart:

Proverbs 4:23-26 says, “Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life. Put away from you crooked speech, and put devious talk far from you. Let your eyes look directly forward, and your gaze be straight before you. Ponder the path of your feet; then all your ways will be sure.”

We are also told to watch what we let in our minds:

Phil. 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

the heart is what makes up our nature those values and morals and beliefs we are convicted of and led by . The door way into the heart is through the mind through the senses the eyes and ears .

words carry spirit they go into the mind and form living thoughts the thoughts depending on if we accept them as truth or reject them and cast them out go into the heart no form Convictions and reshape the nature , the heart that is what drives us

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the answer for that problem that leads us to act sin and be unclean is to accept the word of Christ into our minds no let it into our hearts if we do that it’s able to do this which solves that issue in our heart

Notice the heart has thoughts and intents

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As we accept the truth of Christ and the gospel this happens

“And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is what renews the spirit of the mind and transforms our heart nt bat it’s not filled with what Jesus explained but it is filled with the gospel

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭

as we’re able to accept the gospel more and more our minds are changed be our hearts and discerned and we can begin to understand the difference in good and evil and rod our hearts of the evil as we embrace the spirit that gives life And let that become our hearts understanding and will

our actions are only a result of what’s in our mind and heart that we embrace and believe in

 

[Diakonos]

What do you think the Lord means us to know when we are told about the heart in scripture?

As threefold beings, we are spirit, soul, and body.
The spirit and soul overlap in a few ways but are most distinct in their function and purpose. "Mind" is the default synonym for the soul, while "heart" is the default synonym for the spirit. Furthermore, each of the three components can be roughly divided into 3 subcomponents.

 

[Moses_Young]

Of course, I have stated this so much so that I have become a bore to many on this forum. I've been here nearly one year and to date, no one has accepted this core Biblical doctrine. My efforts have amounted to nothing, though the Bible is completely, totally, and utterly clear about it.

Why do you say this?

 

[JaumeJ]

I find the term, core doctrine, a bit of a cop out assuming to give authority to just about any doctrine a peron decides is core?

Jesus Yeshua has taught us all doctrine we need, the Gos[el.

Is it not awesome that our own Father knows everything every instant? Praise God, amen.

 

[Moses_Young]

I find the term, core doctrine, a bit of a cop out assuming to give authority to just about any doctrine a peron decides is core?

Jesus Yeshua has taught us all doctrine we need, the Gos[el.

Is it not awesome that our own Father knows everything every instant? Praise God, amen.

To me, a core doctrine is one that is necessary for salvation. For example - salvation is through grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone. Whether we call it being born again, or being made a new creation, or receiving the circumcision of the heart - I think it is important. I agree with you about the Gospel being the core doctrine we need.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

To me, a core doctrine is one that is necessary for salvation. For example - salvation is through grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone. Whether we call it being born again, or being made a new creation, or receiving the circumcision of the heart - I think it is important. I agree with you about the Gospel being the core doctrine we need.

amen the gospel accomplishes all of those things it’s where believers find grace , and it’s what gives faith , how we come to know Christ , how we’re born again and made new , how we are created in his Image , how our heart is circumcised and what offers salvation


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s all heard and believed in the gospel that accomplishes our salvation to embrace and fully believe our lord and his word of life and begin to let him lead us and truly become our lord

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Why do you say this?

The responses to what I have written is the exact reason why.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I find the term, core doctrine, a bit of a cop

What do you mean by "cop out"? That makes absolutely no sense to me, as I am the author of those words. "Cop out" can only come through a judgement of my thoughts, and as a Christian, you are not given the authority to determine my thoughts.

So, what's your problem?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

To me, a core doctrine is one that is necessary for salvation. For example - salvation is through grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone. Whether we call it being born again, or being made a new creation, or receiving the circumcision of the heart - I think it is important. I agree with you about the Gospel being the core doctrine we need.

Circumcision of the heart [is] necessary for salvation. Anyone who studies this doctrine would come to the same conclusion, hence, it's easy to determine who has studied this doctrine and who has not.

Grace alone [is] Circumcision of the Heart, hence, Exodus 33:19.

Circumcision of the Heart [is] Ezekiel 11:19-20 and Ezekiel 36:25-27.

Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV - "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

But hey, if a person doesn't think that they need the Circumcision of Christ . . . and are ashamed of those words, so be it. I wish you all the best of luck as you face your God without it.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

amen the gospel accomplishes all of those things it’s where believers find grace , and it’s what gives faith , how we come to know Christ , how we’re born again and made new , how we are created in his Image , how our heart is circumcised and what offers salvation


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s all heard and believed in the gospel that accomplishes our salvation to embrace and fully believe our lord and his word of life and begin to let him lead us and truly become our lord

To date, no one has ever been able to explain the Gospel to me. I've never heard it in church . . . christians are utter failures in exp;lain the Gospel. They can describe it, but they cannot explain it. Perhaps this is why no one knocks on my door; talks about the Gospel in church. The Gospel is totally misunderstood. It is, for the most part, void of this world.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

To date, no one has ever been able to explain the Gospel to me. I've never heard it in church . . . christians are utter failures in exp;lain the Gospel. They can describe it, but they cannot explain it. Perhaps this is why no one knocks on my door; talks about the Gospel in church. The Gospel is totally misunderstood. It is, for the most part, void of this world.

have you ever considered that maybe you don’t understand the gospel ? But are convinced no one else does ? So maybe it pushes people away because of that ?

if you really want to understand the gospel study the gospel of Matthew , mark , luke and John and each time ask the lord to teach you that’s where we learn to understand the gospel Jesus came to preach it and teach it to us our part is to hear his word and believe

let Jesus teach you that’s what we all should do

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

have you ever considered that maybe you don’t understand the gospel ?

Yes. Throughout my entire life I have wondered what the Gospel was. And, after studying not just Matthew, but the Entire Bible . . . I realized how dreadfully short I had fallen. I realized that no one had ever taught me the Gospel. Sure, everyone describes what they think the Gospel is, but they cannot explain it.

A person has to be given "ears to hear" in order to understand it. Until the Curse has been lifted, which is Circumcision of the Heart, confusion will not allow a person to comprehend the Plan of God, which is the Gospel. Frankly, it is pointless for me to continue down this path.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes. Throughout my entire life I have wondered what the Gospel was. And, after studying not just Matthew, but the Entire Bible . . . I realized how dreadfully short I had fallen. I realized that no one had ever taught me the Gospel. Sure, everyone describes what they think the Gospel is, but they cannot explain it.

A person has to be given "ears to hear" in order to understand it. Until the Curse has been lifted, which is Circumcision of the Heart, confusion will not allow a person to comprehend the Plan of God, which is the Gospel. Frankly, it is pointless for me to continue down this path.

well It sounds like everyone is deaf blind and lost if they don’t learn from you I guess

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

well It sounds like everyone is deaf blind and lost I guess

Do you understand the Word Remnant? By default, there are only very few Truely Saved. Or, do you believe that a person is a Christian simply because they refer to themselves as such? As it stands, there are allegedly 3 Billion Christians in the world. You know that this cannot be True. So, a further investigation as to the Mysterious Plan of God is due.

Writing to me in a flippant way only further demonstrates my point.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you understand the Word Remnant? By default, there are only very few Truely Saved. Or, do you believe that a person is a Christian simply because they refer to themselves as such? As it stands, there are allegedly 3 Billion Christians in the world. You know that this cannot be True. So, a further investigation as to the Mysterious Plan of God is due.

Writing to me in a flippant way only further demonstrates my point.

it’s what you say consistently no one will listen to you you say then you explain. I one understands anything then you proceed to everyone attacks you

it’s repetitive and clear you think people must agree with you or they know nothing

the gospel is what the Bible says it is it starts when Jesus was born on earth it includes his example for us , his teachings to us , his promises to his disciples , his suffering and death for our sins , his resurrection from death and his ascention to the throne of God where he intercede for us cording to his word and his blood shed at Calvary that is the gospel the true story of Jesus Christ who came specifically to teach the gospel to anyone who would actually become a humble fool me learn from him

it doesn’t require anyone to agree with you or me or anyone else but Jesus that’s who we have to hear and agree with

it’s written down for all to know the only thing is we have to understand we don’t know anything until we start hearing what Jesus said about everything we have to trust Jesus and what he taught not what myself , you or anyone else says

we learn from Jesus himself the word he spoke is what teaches the gospel

“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah . And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:17-19, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to accept the teachings of Jesus to understand the gospel it’s why he came

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Why do you never talk about the things Jesus taught of you understand so well ? Why don’t you exhibit any of the fruits of the spirit the patience , gentleness , kindness , mercy ?

why don’t you ever tell anyone to believe what Jesus was saying ? And now you can of course explain like you usually do that I’ve attacked you again ?

maybe we should all start hearing what Jesus had to say and believe ? That’s the center of the gospel tonhesr his word and believe what he said me then to start plying that to our own life like he taught us to do ? That’s the gospel

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

it’s what you say consistently no one will listen to you you say then you explain. I one understands anything then you proceed to everyone attacks you

it’s repetitive and clear you think people must agree with you or they know nothing

the gospel is what the Bible says it is it starts when Jesus was born on earth it includes his example for us , his teachings to us , his promises to his disciples , his suffering and death for our sins , his resurrection from death and his ascention to the throne of God where he intercede for us cording to his word and his blood shed at Calvary that is the gospel the true story of Jesus Christ who came specifically to teach the gospel to anyone who would actually become a humble fool me learn from him

it doesn’t require anyone to agree with you or me or anyone else but Jesus that’s who we have to hear and agree with

it’s written down for all to know the only thing is we have to understand we don’t know anything until we start hearing what Jesus said about everything we have to trust Jesus and what he taught not what myself , you or anyone else says

we learn from Jesus himself the word he spoke is what teaches the gospel

“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah . And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:17-19, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to accept the teachings of Jesus to understand the gospel it’s why he came

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Why do you never talk about the things Jesus taught of you understand so well ? Why don’t you exhibit any of the fruits of the spirit the patience , gentleness , kindness , mercy ?

why don’t you ever tell anyone to believe what Jesus was saying ? And now you can of course explain like you usually do that I’ve attacked you again ?

maybe we should all start hearing what Jesus had to say and believe ? That’s the center of the gospel tonhesr his word and believe what he said me then to start plying that to our own life like he taught us to do ? That’s the gospel

I had to stop reading after the first two sentences. Why? Because you're wildly offended by me. I wish that you were not, but there isn't anything that I can do about it. I am sure, however, that if we had face-to-face conversation, you would come to likely have a difference of opinion.

Best of luck to you . . .

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I had to stop reading after the first two sentences. Why? Because you're wildly offended by me. I wish that you were not, but there isn't anything that I can do about it. I am sure, however, that if we had face-to-face conversation, you would come to likely have a difference of opinion.

Best of luck to you . . .

of course I’ve obviously mercilessly attacked you again …

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

of course

But I've been associating with you for nearly one year. Nothing that I have believed, or written, has changed in position. Why keep going round and round? And now you're flippant again, though I have patiently posted the same things over . . . and over . . . and over again.

Clearly, there is nothing that I can say to you that will make a difference. So please . . . stop acting like I'm being unfair. To suggest anything of the like is gradeschool.