Christ's Resurrection

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Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth. (Jonah 1:17)

A handy fact to know about Christ's resurrection is that a preponderance of
textual evidence indicates that his crucified dead body was restored to life
during the third day rather than after the third day was completely over and
done with.

Matt 16:21 . . From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples
that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the
elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.

Matt 20:17-19 . . Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the
twelve disciples aside and said to them: We are going up to Jerusalem, and
the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the
law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles
to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to
life.

Matt 17:22-23 . . And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus
said to them: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of
men; and they will kill him, and he will be raised on the third day.

Mark 9:31 . . For he taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after
that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Luke 9:22 . . And he said: The Son of Man must suffer many things and be
rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be
killed and on the third day be roused.

Luke 18:31-33 . . Jesus took the twelve aside and told them: We are going
up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the
Son of Man will be fulfilled. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will
mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. On the third day he
will rise again.

Luke 24:1-8 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the
women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found
the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not
find the body of the Lord Jesus.

. . .While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that
gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed
down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you
look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember
how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must
be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day
be raised again." Then they remembered his words.

Luke 24:12-21 . . Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending
over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away,
wondering to himself what had happened. Now that same day two of them
were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem.
They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. As
they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came
up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him.

. . . He asked them: What are you discussing together as you walk along?
They stood still, their faces downcast. One of them, named Cleopas, asked
him: Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that
have happened there in these days? What things? he asked.

. . . About Jesus of Nazareth; they replied. He was a prophet, powerful in
word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our
rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him;
but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And
what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.

Luke 24:41-46 . . And while they still could not believe it for joy and were
marveling, he said to them : Have you anything here to eat? And they gave
him a piece of a broiled fish; and he took it and ate it before them. Now he
said to them : These are my words which I spoke to you while I was still
with you, that all things which are written about me in the Law of Moses and
the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. Then he opened their minds
to understand the Scriptures, and he said to them : Thus it is written, that
the Christ should suffer and rise again from the dead the third day

Acts 10:39-41 . . And we are witnesses of all the things He did both in the
land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And they also put him to death by
hanging him on a cross. God raised him up on the third day

1Cor 15:4 . . He rose again the third day
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A handy fact to know about Christ's resurrection is that a preponderance of
textual evidence indicates that his crucified dead body was restored to life
during the third day rather than after the third day was completely over and
done with.
Where? .................I am not thinking anything beyond 72 hours
 

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There also were alternative views on Jesus' resurrection.

One was that Jesus only swooned on the cross and was revived by the cool tomb.

The problems with this are many but some main ones are:

If he only swooned.. the spear in the side would have finished him off.

If he somehow survived that.. the wrapping of his tomb clothes would have suffocated him to death.

If he somehow got out of the wrappings.. half dead..

He was then left with the rock of the tomb to open.. which was sealed and guarded!

Say somehow he got thru all that half dead.. bruised and bloodied.. how is he then supposed to appear to the disciples declaring he is risen?

As they say..... 'preposterous imagination!' 😀

Then another view was Jesus hypnotized the disciples to believe he was risen.

Problem with that?

He would have had to hypnotize all eleven and not only them but all the other people he appeared to!

Thereby giving him miraculous power anyway!

Yeah so it goes on and on..

Jesus' resurrection is real and a historical event.
 

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Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Jonah 1:17) A handy fact to know about Christ's resurrection is that a preponderance of textual evidence indicates that his crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was completely over and done with.
Since we do not have any reference to three days and three nights in the book of Jonah itself, we are to take those words of Christ literally. Only He knows (with the Father and the Holy Spirit) exactly how long Jonah was in Sheol. Which means that Christ was literally in the tomb for three full days and three full nights (using the Hebrew reckoning).

DAY 1: WEDNESDAY SUNSET TO THURSDAY SUNSET
DAY 2: THURSDAY SUNSET TO FRIDAY SUNSET
DAY 3: FRIDAY SUNSET TO SATURDAY SUNSET (SABBATH)

Any time after sunset on Saturday would have been the first day of the week, and therefore the time of Christ's resurrection. But since He is called "the Morning Star", His resurrection was probably between midnight and 4 a.m. on Sunday morning. The women probably arrived at the tomb between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m.

Also, another strong supporting point is that just as Christ rested on the seventh day after creation, He also rested on the seventh day (Sabbath) after redemption.
 

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The Jews' religious calendar is reckoned from sundown to sundown instead
of midnight to midnight. For example: Passover (a.k.a. the feast of
unleavened bread) begins this year at sundown Friday, the 15th of April.

Seeing as how the women mentioned in Luke 24:1-8 went out to the
cemetery on the first day of the week-- which is the day following routine
sabbaths --then we may safely deduce that their journey took place during
the early morning hours of what would've been a Sunday back then.

That being the case, then the three days and three nights predicted by Matt
12:40 would've run from Thursday sundown to Friday sundown, then from
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, and then from Saturday sundown to
Sunday sundown.

Thus it's easily sleuthed that Christ died by crucifixion on what would've
been a Thursday afternoon back then rather than a Friday afternoon.
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The Jews' religious calendar is reckoned from sundown to sundown instead
of midnight to midnight. For example: Passover (a.k.a. the feast of
unleavened bread) begins this year at sundown Friday, the 15th of April.


Seeing as how the women mentioned in Luke 24:1-8 went out to the
cemetery on the first day of the week-- which is the day following routine
sabbaths --then we may safely deduce that their journey took place during
the early morning hours of what would've been a Sunday back then.


That being the case, then the three days and three nights predicted by Matt
12:40 would've run from Thursday sundown to Friday sundown, then from
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, and then from Saturday sundown to
Sunday sundown.


Thus it's easily sleuthed that Christ died by crucifixion on what would've
been a Thursday afternoon back then rather than a Friday afternoon.
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You are correct about it not being on Friday, but actually it would have been Wednesday before sunset 14 Nisan.... Thursday would the 15th the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which was High day.... Special sabbath. .
It wasn't just when he died..... Matt 12:40 states ... so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
And for a couple reasons it would be the full 72 hours.
Before sunset would allow Joseph of Arimathea to petition Pilate for Christ body and to place Him in the tomb and then allow time for Nicodemus to do the grave wrappings.
He would have as Nehemiah6 states.... been raised before sunset Saturday Nisan 17 (weekly sabbath) go and witness himself to the imprisoned sprits 1 Peter 3:18-20.
 
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There also were alternative views on Jesus' resurrection.

One was that Jesus only swooned on the cross and was revived by the cool tomb.

The problems with this are many but some main ones are:

If he only swooned.. the spear in the side would have finished him off.

If he somehow survived that.. the wrapping of his tomb clothes would have suffocated him to death.

If he somehow got out of the wrappings.. half dead..

He was then left with the rock of the tomb to open.. which was sealed and guarded!

Say somehow he got thru all that half dead.. bruised and bloodied.. how is he then supposed to appear to the disciples declaring he is risen?

As they say..... 'preposterous imagination!' 😀

Then another view was Jesus hypnotized the disciples to believe he was risen.

Problem with that?

He would have had to hypnotize all eleven and not only them but all the other people he appeared to!

Thereby giving him miraculous power anyway!

Yeah so it goes on and on..

Jesus' resurrection is real and a historical event.
"Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins." - 1 Cor 15:15-17 KJV
 

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If one is dead you are dead on that day no matter how long you were dead for. 1 minute or 1 hour you ARE still dead. IF you were dead for two days, you were dead two days, and on the third day if you were still dead even if you came back to life on that third day; you would still have been dead until you rose again for three days.
 

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been raised before sunset Saturday

According to Luke 24:12-21 the women went out to the cemetery on the
first day of the week, which is after sunset Saturday; and according to that
same passage, the day they went out there was the third since Jesus was
crucified. Your chronology places the women out there on the fourth day.

BTW: I highly recommend that we avoid Nisan dating for the simple reason
that the Jews' religious calendar was running late that year; which is easily
seen by the fact that Jesus dined on his lamb before the Jews ate theirs. He
being a prophet in direct contact with God would know the correct moment,
whereas the Jews' methods are vulnerable to human error.

Also; that particular week-end had two sabbaths to reckon with: one was
the routine sabbath, and the other was the Passover sabbath which is a
floating sabbath that coincides with the first night of the feast of Unleavened
Bread. The two sabbaths were in such close proximity that particular year
that it's common for the Passover sabbath to be overlooked and/or mistaken
for the routine sabbath.
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first day of the week is Sunday :)
 

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According to Luke 24:12-21 the women went out to the cemetery on the
first day of the week, which is after sunset Saturday; and according to that
same passage, the day they went out there was the third since Jesus was
crucified. Your chronology places the women out there on the fourth day.


BTW: I highly recommend that we avoid Nisan dating for the simple reason
that the Jews' religious calendar was running late that year; which is easily
seen by the fact that Jesus dined on his lamb before the Jews ate theirs. He
being a prophet in direct contact with God would know the correct moment,
whereas the Jews' methods are vulnerable to human error.


Also; that particular week-end had two sabbaths to reckon with: one was
the routine sabbath, and the other was the Passover sabbath which is a
floating sabbath that coincides with the first night of the feast of Unleavened
Bread. The two sabbaths were in such close proximity that particular year
that it's common for the Passover sabbath to be overlooked and/or mistaken
for the routine sabbath.
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Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's Passover.

Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

We can count backward or forward to figure out the dates…. Jhn 12:1 gives us 6 days before the Passover …or we can count backward from the first fruits wave offering Lev 23:10 & 11 of which Jesus was the priest showing himself as the true high priest to Israel.

There are certain things that don’t change …the dates are the dates. And I think where you are getting misled is assuming the meal that they had was the Passover meal….it was not. I understand the confusion the way it sets in Matthew but it is just the next chorological event...... The Passover meal would not be eaten till the beginning of the 15th. Jesus Christ was THE Passover lamb ….who gave up the ghost at the same time typically of the Passover lamb.

The meal which Peter & John were sent to prepare Mat 26:17-19… was the Passover meal….but prepare is the key word. The meal in Mat 26:20 &21 was eaten on the evening of the 12th and beginning of the 13th

One stark indicator…. other than the dates..... is the manner in which the 12 plus Jesus were eating.

Mat 26:20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

Ex 12:11 dictates how the Passover meal was to be eaten.. they would have been eating standing up.

Exo 12:11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's Passover.

There is nothing in scripture that indicates that protocol was changed.

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As for the day of the week

Also; that particular week-end had two sabbaths
That was in the first sentence of my post
You are correct about it not being on Friday, but actually it would have been Wednesday before sunset 14 Nisan.... Thursday would the 15th the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which was High day.... Special sabbath. .
 

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Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to disprove the resurrection of
Jesus Christ's crucified dead body because his crucifixion is only half enough
to protect people from the wrath of God. Though his physical body's death
obtains forgiveness for people's sins, its death doesn't gain them
exoneration.

Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered up for the sake of our trespasses, and was
raised up for the sake of declaring us righteous.

The Greek word translated "righteous" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which
means acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence.

People merely forgiven still carry a load of guilt; viz: they have a criminal
record. The resurrection of Christ's crucified dead body deletes their record
so that on the books, it's as though they've never been anything but 100%
innocent.

This clearing of one's guilt that I'm talking about is obtained via the kindness
and generosity of God through belief in the resurrection of Christ's crucified
dead body. If the Devil can succeed in convincing people that Jesus' crucified
body is still dead or, even better yet, make them question whether the man
even existed at all; then they will fail to obtain an acquittal, and
consequently end up put to death in brimstone because records are to be
reviewed when people stand to face justice at the event depicted at Rev
20:11-15.
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Although it's required that folks believe Jesus' crucified dead body was
restored to life, I don't think it's required that they believe everything there
is to know about it.

Take for example the Jehovah's Witnesses. They insist that Jesus' crucified
body is still dead and its remains squirreled away on earth in a condition,
and a location, known only to God. So even if their take on dikaiosis were to
be 100% correct, they'll still end up on the wrong side of the afterlife.
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