One taken,one left. The rapture.

[Absolutely]

That is just absolutely amazing. The vulture language is definitely not something good. Read REvelation 19 to see what the vultures actually mean, they are eating the corpses of the people, not good, you dont want to be taken to that supper.

So you now have a catching away of some supposed "wicked people" ,from rooftops, to where they die and buzzards eat them, pretrib?
Or another bizarre example of wild attempting to make it fit postrib model has half earths population wicked, half righteous.
And half earths oopulation born again at the coming on white horses....
NOW REMEMBER, Yalls claim that the " righteous remain"?
That is your assumption correct?
That means there is "one LEFT in a bed" At the second coming on white horses.

Bizarre and not even plausible.
Example after example of righteous removed.
But in the coming on white Horses, heaven forgot to do what God always does?????

 

[FreeGrace2]

Focus in on this: "and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come."
"For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
"The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom."

All these verses refer to the LoF, which is for the unbelievers.

To "wait for His Son from heaven" is a reference to the Second Advent. There are no verses that describe Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 4He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
5Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you? 6And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival.

And nothing about Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven. And v.1 clearly refers to the Second Advent and "gathering" which pretribbers would call "rapture".

All this is clear evidence of God’s righteous judgment. And so you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. 6After all, it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well. This will take place when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels 8in blazing fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His might, 10on the day He comes to be glorified in His saints and regarded with wonder by all who have believed, including you who have believed our testimony.

There is a Day appointed = the Day of the Lord = the wrath of the Lamb at His Coming = upon those who refused the Truth

The Day of the Lord is at His Coming but the FIRST thing HE does is the FIRST Resurrection/rapture/Transformation into Glorified Bodies of the Elect.

This occurs at the Second Advent, as has been previously shown.

 

[Absolutely]

Oh really? Did that flood last seven damn years? Or even 3.5 years? Last time I checked it's only FIVE MONTHS! So five months until the second coming it's still pre-trib then? You're making yourself a fool.

Uh
Your erroneous model needs some postrib removal.

Again you come up empty handed.

You think some desperado diversion away from facts makes heavens account voided?

 

[Absolutely]

When Jesus said "I come as a thief", that "thief" is a reference of Satan in John 10:1 and 10:10 - who comes to steal, kill and destroy! That's why the "thief" must be revealed first as it is told in 2 Thess. 2:2-3! Jesus returns at an hour you do not expect (Matt 24:44) not because He returns secretly out of nowhere, but because YOU ARE NOT EXPECTING when you should be expecting!

Well sorta.
Yes you are not expecting because you are waiting for the false Christ.

 

[FreeGrace2]

We all agree Jesus returns postrib.
1 thes 4 has nothing whatsoever indicating postrib rapture.

It SURE DOESN'T INDICATE anything pretrib. And since 1 These 4 IS about the resurrection of all believers, Rev 20:4,5 shows WHEN that will be; Second Advent.

All rapture verses are peacetime, and normal life, and prejudgment.

Pretribbers ALWAYS think of that trip to heaven in a glorified body, YET there are NO such verses. And there are no such "rapture verses".

There ARE resurrection verses, where all believers receive a glorified body. But NO trip to heaven.

The postrib model needs the opposite, and none are there.
No postrib rapture verses anywhere in the bible.
None

Why do you OMIT 1 Cor 15:23, 2 Thess 2:1 and Rev 20:5? They are clear enough.

 

[Absolutely]

Noah carried miles high into the sky on top of the water.

Re read it.
All examples prejudgment.
You got it backwards.

That is why it is explicit ,to pattern prejudgment removal.
Vividly portrayed so you guys would not miss it.
The reason you miss it, is loyalty to a doctrine.
It is bizarre.

All you guys are unaware that Jesus never used POSTjudgment removal for the rapture.

Show me postjudgment removal in Jesus depiction of the rapture.
All Jesus' depictions of the rapture are prejudgment.
All are omitted/Reframed in postribber teachings.
Kinda like how we can all see in the thread

^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^

 

[FreeGrace2]

It will not go away.

What won't "go away" are the verses that prove that there is NO trip to heaven in glorified bodies, and that the believer resurrection is "when He comes" at the Second Advent.

You've seen all the verses.

 

[DavidTree]

All these verses refer to the LoF, which is for the unbelievers.

To "wait for His Son from heaven" is a reference to the Second Advent. There are no verses that describe Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.


And nothing about Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven. And v.1 clearly refers to the Second Advent and "gathering" which pretribbers would call "rapture".


This occurs at the Second Advent, as has been previously shown.

There is much to say here on this but i refrain as have come to realize that there is a time and place for everything.

Peace to you - my Brother/Sister?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Uh
Your erroneous model needs some postrib removal.

Again you come up empty handed.

You think some desperado diversion away from facts makes heavens account voided?

Don't take my word for it, go check Rev. 9:5 and 9:10. FIVE MONTHS.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Leave out context and you can make most any verse say what you need it to.

And this is how pretribbers frame their position. They leave out (or try to force IN) the resurrection verses about that trip to heaven in glorified bodies.

The Bible says nothing about such a trip. So the pretribbers have to concoct such a trip by finding ANY rescue of believers from the OT and trying to see a parallel with their fantasy trip.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Well sorta.
Yes you are not expecting because you are waiting for the false Christ.

You'll be the first in line to receive the mark.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Absolutely said:
Noah carried miles high into the sky on top of the water.

Re read it.
All examples prejudgment.
You got it backwards.

That is why it is explicit ,to pattern prejudgment removal.
Vividly portrayed so you guys would not miss it.
The reason you miss it, is loyalty to a doctrine.
It is bizarre.

All you guys are unaware that Jesus never used POSTjudgment removal for the rapture.

Show me postjudgment removal in Jesus depiction of the rapture.
All Jesus' depictions of the rapture are prejudgment.
All are omitted/Reframed in postribber teachings.
Kinda like how we can all see in the thread

^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^

Talking to yourself, again???!!

 

[Absolutely]

OR:

Lot remained, others taken from this earth.
Enoch left, nothing to do with any of this as it happened DECADES (if not centuries iirc) before the noah's flood.
Noah was left on the earth, the rest perished and were removed from the earth.

As if you never read the story where a boat is floating on the top of water covering the mountains.( uh noah carried into the sky.)

But you need it to have what is not there......
Psssssst....a postrib gathering.
Nothing there at all.....
Zippo

 

[Absolutely]

Don't take my word for it, go check Rev. 9:5 and 9:10. FIVE MONTHS.

I just look at what Jesus FRAMED IT AS
" BEFORE THE FLOOD"

YOUR " 5MO" Deal somehow cancels Jesus words?
Your " 5mo" deal turns it into "After the flood noah is caught up into the sky"? ( as your doctrine declares?)

You have zero
You have no postjudgment removals by Jesus ,depicting the rapture.
All of Jesus pretrib rapture examples are;
Prejudgment,peacetime, and normal life.

You model is poorly thought out friend.
Sorry.

 

[Absolutely]

You'll be the first in line to receive the mark.

Says the guy looking for a devil man.

Jesus said the opposite.

Again your doctrine is poorly thought out.
You are at a loss friend, and why you wildly ascribe bad things to your opponent.

 

[Absolutely]

Oh really? Did that flood last seven damn years? Or even 3.5 years? Last time I checked it's only FIVE MONTHS! So five months until the second coming it's still pre-trib then? You're making yourself a fool.

Btw
Name calling is against TOS.
Somebody will report you.

 

[Absolutely]

Of course Jesus' Second Advent will be a "local event". He comes to Jerusalem. That's local.


You mean, kinda like Christmas eve when Santa visits all the little children world wide?


No dilemma at all. Until Jesus returns at the Second Advent, all the saints in heaven got there by DYING first.

Anyone who thinks they got there by rapture is deceiving themselves. There is NO trip to heaven for glorified believers. Or the Bible would have included that information.

Pure baloney
You were shown people there bodily.

Stuck your nose in it

You failed again friend.

 

[Absolutely]

OR:

Lot remained, others taken from this earth.
Enoch left, nothing to do with any of this as it happened DECADES (if not centuries iirc) before the noah's flood.
Noah was left on the earth, the rest perished and were removed from the earth.

How did you read that with lot, and possibly get it backwards?

Wow

 

[FreeGrace2]

As if you never read the story where a boat is floating on the top of water covering the mountains.( uh noah carried into the sky.)

A real feeble attempt to equate 2 totally unrelated events.

When Jesus mentioned Noah in the context of end times, He was very clear about what He was equating; how people lived. Not anything about how high Noah got.

But you need it to have what is not there......
Psssssst....a postrib gathering.
Nothing there at all.....
Zippo

lol. 2 Thess 2:1 very clearly puts the gathering at the Second Advent, which is posttrib.

Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

You are just embarrassing yourself a lot. And are losing credibility.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I just look at what Jesus FRAMED IT AS
" BEFORE THE FLOOD"

So, let's define what the "it" refers to.

Luke 17:26 - “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

There was eating, drinking, marrying. Then there was a flood. What's what occurred "in the days of Noah". And people will be "eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the Tribulation. Which destroyed them all.

You model is poorly thought out friend.
Sorry.

Scripture doesn't give "models". Scripture plainly says what will happen.

2 Thess 2:1 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,