My veiw on evil.

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2ndTimothyGroup

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So why didn't God give Adam and Eve the moral law & tell them to be clothed in God's most holy presence?
What good is the moral law? Gary Ridgway had it. Jeffrey Dahmer had it. Adolf Hitler had it. The moral law is no added benefit to any particular group. Now, the Law that DOES matter, is the Law of the Spirit of Life.

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

If we read and know the Bible in a timeline, chronological order, we'll see that "laws" were issued in stages. The moral law is the third stage of law.
 
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What good is the moral law? Gary Ridgway had it. Jeffrey Dahmer had it. Adolf Hitler had it. The moral law is no added benefit to any particular group. Now, the Law that DOES matter, is the Law of the Spirit of Life.

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

If we read and know the Bible in a timeline, chronological order, we'll see that "laws" were issued in stages. The moral law is the third stage of law.
So is it righteous to be unclothed in God's most holy presence?
 
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Clothe with what? Fig leaves that withered away in the cool of the day? God had to kill an animal to make clothes for them, that's the first foreshadowing of Christ!
So why did God create them unclothed?
 
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“And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭


Old Testament law ( knowledge of good and evil )

“But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬



Christs word in the gospel ( tree of life )


Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There are two testaments in the Bible one came to corrupted man knowing both good and evil , the other comes to purify those corrupted minds and hearts with the knowledge of God and give life to those who hear and believe.

it’s why Jesus is the one to believe

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
So which verse says you are freed from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil? Don't you need to be delivered?
 
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They can't handle it - YET, that's why. The same reason you don't let a little kid playing with a loaded handgun.
So can you handle it & avoid death they were waned of? Don't you need Christ's perfect merits in order to be protected from death (separation from God)?

Can you justify yourself before God and humans by fulfilling the moral law?
 
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I admit that I'm no scholar. That said, I just don't understand your line of thinking . . . I've never heard this phrasing or terminology before, and I've been a part of the church while in my mother's womb . . . that's nearly 55 years. "Knowledge of Good and Evil" does tell anyone anything. First, that's the name of an unholy tree in the Garden of Eden. 2nd, it is a descriptive term of a particular form, or type of knowledge. What it isn't, however, is some form of entity. Jesus Redeems of us from the Curse of the Lord . . . not knowledge. That knowledge stays with us, thus we must overcome it by reflecting the Glory of Christ more and more each day. For example, am I to somehow be redeemed of my awareness of the strip clubs that I used to frequent prior to Transformation? Am I supposed to forget the plethora of women that I was sexually active with prior to my Transformation? And what about murder? Did Paul somehow forget, or be redeemed of the knowledge of remembering the sins that caused him to say that he was the "worst of sinners?"

Please forgive me for my words . . . I'm not trying to be mean or cruel. Just expressing my non-scholarly thoughts.
If it's not you but Christ who lives in you why do you need the forbidden knowledge of good & evil? Do you doubt Christ's workings through you?
 
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So why did God create them unclothed?
Well here's a shocker - unlike the childbirth you've seen in some tv shows, in reality, newborn babies are covered in a sheen of goo from the womb. There's the clothes you've got.
 
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Well here's a shocker - unlike the childbirth you've seen in some tv shows, in reality, newborn babies are covered in a sheen of goo from the womb. There's the clothes you've got.
So why do you worry about what's right & what's wrong if it's not you but Christ who lives in you, why do you need the moral law?
 
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because they were already made in his image and called “very good “and had no inclination to do evil . Until Satan came and beguiled them with deception. They became sinners who have both good and evil in them and so did their children.

that’s why we need to believe the gospel, The gospel is not the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” , it’s “the tree of life “ that repairs the conflict good and evil caused in our hearts.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we want to simply do that. Jesus isn’t saying go hear the law of Moses , he’s talking about the gospel he preached His word.

to pretend it doesn’t matter what we do good or evil or pretend we shouldn’t learn the difference between good and evil isn’t at all ever a thing in scripture. And will surely lead one astray

Staying unclothed in God's most holy presence is not evil?

If it's not you but Christ who lives in you why do you need to worry as to what's right & what's wrong? Are you doubting Christ's workings through you?
 
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So can you handle it & avoid death they were waned of? Don't you need Christ's perfect merits in order to be protected from death (separation from God)?

Can you justify yourself before God and humans by fulfilling the moral law?
For those who are in Christ, God's law is written in their hearts.
 

Pilgrimshope

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So which verse says you are freed from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil? Don't you need to be delivered?
the knowledge of good and evil is inside us now , it’s this law inside of us it’s something mankind inherits through procreation

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21, 23‬ ‭

and yes we have to be delivered from
The law of sin inside of us that’s what I was saying. It doesn’t mean we just ignore right and wrong though that’s a certain path to destruction.

It means we need to hear Jesus and believe so we can have the knowledge of God and let the knowledge of evil go.

it seems like you have a theory though I would just say to ignore good and evil isn’t the right path for anyone to follow because of this

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s better to do this

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s how you get rid of the knowledge of good and evil by hearing and trusting in the knowledge of God and eventually applying it to life

It’s not about eating fruit anymore it’s about getting free from what they caused

“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to acknolwedge Jesus and his word to come to repentance and life


If we pretend evil is good and good is evil and make no distinction we’re falling right into satans trap.

if we believe the gospel , we’re accepting Gods salvation from that offered to all Men. The truth we need to acknowledge is Jesus and his word it’s why he came

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭

but listen we all Have to decide what we believe and what we will it’s the best move to choose Christ and what he said will save us , that’s my own belief
 

Pilgrimshope

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#92
Staying unclothed in God's most holy presence is not evil?

If it's not you but Christ who lives in you why do you need to worry as to what's right & what's wrong? Are you doubting Christ's workings through you?
what are you talking about ? I’m starting to think your attempting to divert people and don’t actually want to discuss what scripture says so I’m gonna move on
 
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what are you talking about ? I’m starting to think your attempting to divert people and don’t actually want to discuss what scripture says so I’m gonna move on
Are you seeking to be justified before God and humans by fulfilling the moral law?
 
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the knowledge of good and evil is inside us now , it’s this law inside of us it’s something mankind inherits through procreation

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21, 23‬ ‭

and yes we have to be delivered from
The law of sin inside of us that’s what I was saying. It doesn’t mean we just ignore right and wrong though that’s a certain path to destruction.

It means we need to hear Jesus and believe so we can have the knowledge of God and let the knowledge of evil go.

it seems like you have a theory though I would just say to ignore good and evil isn’t the right path for anyone to follow because of this

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s better to do this

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s how you get rid of the knowledge of good and evil by hearing and trusting in the knowledge of God and eventually applying it to life

It’s not about eating fruit anymore it’s about getting free from what they caused

“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to acknolwedge Jesus and his word to come to repentance and life


If we pretend evil is good and good is evil and make no distinction we’re falling right into satans trap.

if we believe the gospel , we’re accepting Gods salvation from that offered to all Men. The truth we need to acknowledge is Jesus and his word it’s why he came

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭

but listen we all Have to decide what we believe and what we will it’s the best move to choose Christ and what he said will save us , that’s my own belief
Weren't Adam and Eve created in a state wherein the ignored right & wrong & stayed unclothed in God's most holy presence?
 
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For those who are in Christ, God's law is written in their hearts.
Isn't it not the moral law but the law of deliverance from a state of accusations that is now written?
Hebrews8:12:"For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more".

Isn't this state earlier enjoyed by Adam and Eve when they were created & stayed unclothed?
 

Magenta

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Isn't it not the moral law but the law of deliverance from a state of accusations that is now written?
Hebrews8:12:"For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more".

Isn't this state earlier enjoyed by Adam and Eve when they were created & stayed unclothed?
Adam and Eve had no sins or iniquities before they sinned :oops:
 
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Adam and Eve had no sins or iniquities before they sinned :oops:
Staying unclothed in God's most holy presence is not evil? So is it fine for people to attend church unclothed?
 

Magenta

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Staying unclothed in God's most holy presence is not evil? So is it fine for people to attend church unclothed?
God does not want to see us uncovered, but it has nothing to do with clothing per se and everything
to do with man's sinful nature. If you were to go to church unclothed you would cause people to sin.
 
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God does not want to see us uncovered, but it has nothing to do with clothing per se and everything
to do with man's sinful nature. If you were to go to church unclothed you would cause people to sin.
If Adam and Eve hadn't chosen the forbidden knowledge of good & evil, won't all church goers attend church unclothed now?
 

Magenta

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If Adam and Eve hadn't chosen the forbidden knowledge of good & evil, won't all church goers attend church unclothed now?
If they had not sinned do you really think we would be going to church?

God did not say their lack of clothing was evil. You are making that up.