Who is the "one who justifies the ungodly"?
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Funny you say that now. You didn't like it when I said it almost a week ago. You called it "my theory."
DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
Adam and Eve were not in public view since nobody else was there besides God.
You seem really hung up on this idea of their lack of clothing being evil. You denied saying such but you
have repeated it a number of times in two different threads and now create a whole new thread about it.
Adam and Eve chose to disobey God and lost HIS covering.
The covering they made in their shame to compensate was sadly lacking.
Are you a Christian? Do you attend a Bible believing, Bible teaching assembly? Do you have a church family?
The whole Bible is about the covering God would provide, established before the foundation of the world, that we may be reconciled to Him by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ, Who willingly gave His life that we may attain to life ever after, escaping the second death promised to those who lack this covering. Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophesies concerning Him throughout His life and ministry, and even in His death. On the other hand, you have given no verse to show that Adam and Eve's lack of clothing was viewed as evil by either God or them. You said it a number of times and then denied it. You are hung up on proving some point that simply doesn't exist beyond the fantasy you have created in your mind.
DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
What are you talking about ? I accepted christs sacrifice in Sunday school when I was a kid still believe he died and rose on my behalf always have and will.
But the thing is I don’t then say “ well Now I don’t need to believe the things he taught and said we’re the knowledge of eternal life and promise salvation “
I don’t use his sacrifice to erase the authority and transformational power of his word is the thing. Others sometime choose that path , I just believe what he said as much and I do what he did for me and everyone else
his death and resurrection doesn’t mean he lied or his words became irrelevant, that type of doctrine isn’t for me , but people are all free to choose where thier faith is planted.
Some choose doctrines that disagree with what Jesus the author of eternal salvation said will save us . I refuse to do that .
Accepting Christ's sacrifice nominally is different from accepting the substance of Christ's sacrifice which is to deliver people from the forbidden knowledge of good and evil.
You are ranting. Let me clarify.
Adam & Eve did have moral covering but no physical covering. Lack of physical covering was not considered evil by 'them' as long as they had the moral covering. Lack of physical covering was considered evil by 'them' after they rejected Christ who is the moral covering.
The text does not say that. It says they were ashamed.
PS~ pointing your contradictory attitude out to you and supplying the posts that prove it do not amount to ranting.
Your attitude on CC is much closer to ranting the way you go on and on and
on and on about the same thing in post after post and thread after thread,
day after day after day. Yeah. That is much more like ranting than my post
They were already unclothed in God's most holy presence. So why should they experience physical shame? Moral shame is another word for guilt.
Adam and Eve's eyes were opened to the wrong they had done in disobeying God. They were no longer innocent. They were exposed and afraid. Their natural state was inferior to the state that had been in when in fellowship with God, so they sought to cover it, but their work was insufficient. Just as in Genesis when God provided a covering for Adam and Eve, God in His mercy and grace provides a covering for all who come to Him in repentance and faith: “I delight greatly in the LORD; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness.”
One thing is for sure, He didn't justify them in their disobedience.
He gave them coats of skins, don't mix it up with the "robe of righteousness", which is fine linen, not skins:
Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
You are quoting a nonbiblical text here which I wont mention. Contradicts the book of Hebrews.
Therein lies your problem, not comparing Scripture with Scripture, we don't become sinless after geting saved, we repent and our lives are transformed yes, but not sinless.
Also: "All" doesn't always mean "All" without exception in the Bible. This is very basic and easy to show:
Mark 1:5 And there went out unto him ALL the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were ALL baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
We know from the Bible and history that not ALL the land of Judeae got baptized.... Thats one example, here is another:
John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, ALL MEN will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
Now am I saying Jesus doesn't cleanse us from all unrighteousness? No, but what I am saying is, no one will become sinless after getting saved, changed life? Yeah. Repentance? You betcha', Renewing of your mind, all things new old things passed away? Of course.
But you take it a step too far when you say sinless. Its just not biblical, there is not a righteous man on the earth who sinneth not.
I thought believing the gospel the truth , is what delivers one from the knowledge of good and evil
so you have the knowledge of good and evil which promises death
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:17 KJV
And you have the everlasting gospel the word of Jesus Christ our lord and savior , our redeemer that promises the opposite
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
it seems to me hearing and believing the knowledge Christ spoke In The gospel is deliverance from the knowledge adam partook of but that’s just my thinking
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20
Christ is a tree of life which we should feed on and live , without his word we’re trapped in the former knlwledge of good and evil having a double mind
Chapter and verse?
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
You changed the context from sin, to land and men. Can you present an example in the context of sin?
Chapter and verse?
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.
I am not affirming anyone's position here. But as a reminder, although Scripture affirms that believers can commit acts of sin, believers are not called sinners in Scripture.
-If he sins, rebuke him:
Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
-If he is forgiven, he is no longer to be called a sinner, none of his sins shall be mentioned unto him:
Ezekiel 33:16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
-Jesus forgives and cleanses from all unrighteousness:
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If he has no unrighteousness in him, he is now righteous, even as He is righteous, without any sin:
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
In Him there is no darkness at all, so anyone who abides in Him, walks even as He walked, without sin:
1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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