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Pilgrimshope

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#41
Hi. Great scriptures btw. But when I’m talking about not making the gospel complicated, what does that mean to you?
If I walked up to you on the street to share Jesus and what He did on the cross. I’m evangelizing. Would I use all those scripture you just put out? Keep it simple. Jesus died and rose again on the third day. He loves you. Redemption, sin no more. The world is missing love. How do we share the love of God?
“But when I’m talking about not making the gospel complicated, what does that mean to you?”

definately doesn’t mean to ignore what’s written in the gospel. Or avoid the scripture at all.

“If I walked up to you on the street to share Jesus and what He did on the cross. I’m evangelizing. Would I use all those scripture you just put out?”

yeah but we’re not on the street we’re in a biblical discussion forum to discuss what the Bible actually does have to say.

“Keep it simple. Jesus died and rose again on the third day. He loves you. Redemption, sin no more. The world is missing love.”

yeah again this forum is designed to study what it in the scriptures is the only thing of we want to avoid the scripture it doesn’t seem we would be here looking to study them.

the importance is to learn from them not repeat them on regular life . But to learn what they teach us and share that in life with people .

saying God loves you is great , telling people about the death and resurrection of Christ is great also. But there’s a lot of understanding in the scriptures is the idea unless we just don’t want to hear them , but it would be hard to know anything without them. Especially
In a forum designed to discuss them



“ How do we share the love of God?”

By learning the gospel and sharing it with people. Of course Jesus death and resurrection . But there’s so much more like for instance this type of thing shows Gods love towards sinners and how he feels about judgemental self righteous people also

consider how beautiful these scriptures are and I won’t trouble you anymore but consider how we can learn about Gods love from scriptire like this and be able to share it in daily life in our own words later

If your willing consider what this can reveal to us about Jesus and ourselves it’s one of my favorite events in scripture and then you might understand why I share scripture a lot in this forum

“And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat.

And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house,

brought an alabaster box of ointment, and stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee.

And he saith, Master, say on. There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?

Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.


Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:36-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

On a discussion forum about the Bible scripture is there tomlewrn from and discuss. That way when people ask you questions about Jesus after you tell them about the cross ……you will have the right understanding to do so

But I understand a lot of Christians think scripture doesn’t have a whole lot of value and would rather just say God loves you and that’s always a good thought as well.

God bless
 
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ChristianTonyB

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#42
Hi. Great scriptures btw. But when I’m talking about not making the gospel complicated, what does that mean to you?
If I walked up to you on the street to share Jesus and what He did on the cross. I’m evangelizing. Would I use all those scripture you just put out? Keep it simple. Jesus died and rose again on the third day. He loves you. Redemption, sin no more. The world is missing love. How do we share the love of God?
Yes, I know I at times have been caught up in my enthusiasm and released a tirade of scriptures that may have simply overwhelmed the hearer, and possibly missed the mark.

Scriptures I personally try to remember when interacting with unbelievers, include those that encourage Christians to always be prepared to give forth a defense to everyone that asks of the hope that is within us, and to walk morally uprightly especially towards those on the outside, and that it's by our chaste behaviour we may save them (cause unbelievers to be attracted towards Jesus and ask about the hope we Christians have for our future).
 

Pilgrimshope

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#44
Yes, I know I at times have been caught up in my enthusiasm and released a tirade of scriptures that may have simply overwhelmed the hearer, and possibly missed the mark.

Scriptures I personally try to remember when interacting with unbelievers, include those that encourage Christians to always be prepared to give forth a defense to everyone that asks of the hope that is within us, and to walk morally uprightly especially towards those on the outside, and that it's by our chaste behaviour we may save them (cause unbelievers to be attracted towards Jesus and ask about the hope we Christians have for our future).
Ultimately when we don’t share the truth of this part we’re not allowing ourselves or others to even understand the process of bieng born again and living the new life Christ died to offer us

“But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another,

seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:8-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we want to say we’re the elect often but then when we learn whatb to e elect are called to do we prefer to remain living the old life and say we’re the born again elect.

we don’t want to hide the truth because it leaves us in a lie.
 
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ChristianTonyB

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#45
Ultimately when we don’t share the truth of this part we’re not allowing ourselves or others to even understand the process of bieng born again and living the new life Christ died to offer us

“But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another,

seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:8-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we want to say we’re the elect often but then when we learn whatb to e elect are called to do we prefer to remain living the old life and say we’re the born again elect.

we don’t want to hide the truth because it leaves us in a lie.
I understand what you are saying PH, but it is surprising (ummm, maybe not!), how God is able to reach people. It appears that all we need to do, is be available, and God will put thoughts into our minds, and words in our mouths, at the time. He is the greatest tactitioner, and strategist.

I don't mean that 'being available' implies that we have to be wandering the streets....but it's about being available for His use wherever we are. My own conversion is testimony to this. I suspect all of us can present our own special anecdote describing how God gave us the gift of faith to believe in Jesus as the Christ, which would be different in some way to everyone else's experience, in how The Father drew them to His Son.
 

Chester

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#46
As these posts are showing us, being a Christian is not a matter of what denomination we belong to, it is a matter of following Christ.

If a denomination asks us to be loyal to their interpretation of scripture rather than to our personal study, then the denomination is leading us astray. We are not Lutheran, Baptist, or Catholic etc., we are Christians.
I agree with you here, with this added caution. A church correctly approaching and interpreting the Word together is a powerful fellowship and testimony to God's grace and love. "Personal study" as you say above is important and critical, but this should be subjected and given to what my fellow believers around me are also learning. Personal study outside of the sharpening of brotherhood can easily lead to deception and lukewarmness. We need one another to walk together in Christ.

But, as you say, a denomination's preconceived and regurgitated doctrine should not be the starting point.
 

olivetree32

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#47
Yes, I know I at times have been caught up in my enthusiasm and released a tirade of scriptures that may have simply overwhelmed the hearer, and possibly missed the mark.

Scriptures I personally try to remember when interacting with unbelievers, include those that encourage Christians to always be prepared to give forth a defense to everyone that asks of the hope that is within us, and to walk morally uprightly especially towards those on the outside, and that it's by our chaste behaviour we may save them (cause unbelievers to be attracted towards Jesus and ask about the hope we Christians have for our future).
Well said! Thank you 🙏🏻
 

olivetree32

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#48
As these posts are showing us, being a Christian is not a matter of what denomination we belong to, it is a matter of following Christ.

If a denomination asks us to be loyal to their interpretation of scripture rather than to our personal study, then the denomination is leading us astray. We are not Lutheran, Baptist, or Catholic etc., we are Christians.
Yes, and what does God’s word say? Exactly!
We are following Jesus, not man. This is why it’s important to be obedient the God first.
 
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ChristianTonyB

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#49
I agree with you here, with this added caution. A church correctly approaching and interpreting the Word together is a powerful fellowship and testimony to God's grace and love. "Personal study" as you say above is important and critical, but this should be subjected and given to what my fellow believers around me are also learning. Personal study outside of the sharpening of brotherhood can easily lead to deception and lukewarmness. We need one another to walk together in Christ.

But, as you say, a denomination's preconceived and regurgitated doctrine should not be the starting point.
Well Chester, I have wandered through this life alone, without fellowship, for the past 38 years, and I have never felt I've been devoid of quality teaching. The reason for that.....because the Holy Spirit has been my teacher all the while! I don't need the teaching of a fellow human being, I need fellowship, but nonetheless even if I should go through this life without it, I know I will survive, by the grace of our God! 🙂
 

Pilgrimshope

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#51
I understand what you are saying PH, but it is surprising (ummm, maybe not!), how God is able to reach people. It appears that all we need to do, is be available, and God will put thoughts into our minds, and words in our mouths, at the time. He is the greatest tactitioner, and strategist.

I don't mean that 'being available' implies that we have to be wandering the streets....but it's about being available for His use wherever we are. My own conversion is testimony to this. I suspect all of us can present our own special anecdote describing how God gave us the gift of faith to believe in Jesus as the Christ, which would be different in some way to everyone else's experience, in how The Father drew them to His Son.
yeah we can all Assert our thinking but Gods word isn’t the right thinking and we’re meant to hear and believe what he said about it is sort of my position

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the only thing that can possibly create faith is to hear and believe the gospel whether we study it and believe whether we hear someone preaching what’s there , nomatter how we hear it we need to hear what’s in the gospel it’s always been that way that’s how faith works

if we don’t hear what God said we can never believe it for instance if the apostles and disciples hadn’t witnessed it to the world no one could
Even believe Jesus died and rose .

the thing is what God said is life it’s been that way since Adam and to not accept it is death , it’s been that way since Adam

it’s good to believe Jesus died for our sins and rose three days later. That’s something every Christian I have ever met believes . It’s meant to bring us into his word and believe though is the thing which requires us to hear and believe learn from him by hearing his word we live by the faith of the gospel and have to hear it in order to have that faith

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s always going to be the same and when we try to create our own path it’s just a repeat of Edens fall
 
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ChristianTonyB

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#53
I like the way you think. The Holy Spirit is always our teacher!
And you too, OT32. And yes, He is, there's no better Teacher, and He has made Himself available to us, always. Besides using the Bible, He also helps us learn through our interactions with each other too, particularly in matters of Christian lifestyle.

Your topic and its posts though, beg a question in my mind about Christian fellowship, and that is...'what style of fellowship is best that will allow the Holy Spirit to freely move amongst us, and allow Him to point out in individuals' minds as to how a brother or sister's attitudes and behaviour are a better way than their own for dealing with similar issues or conflicts in their lives! What should an appropriate style of Christian fellowship look like that would enable a more intimate understanding of each other's state of welfare?

In my opinion, and I believe it is of The Lord, it would be a style of fellowship that is simple, low key, and social, one that brings us regularly together as a family, in an informal, friendly, but safe Christian environment. One that lends itself to us being able to learn about each other's lives, and where we can get and give timely encouragement and support. A style of informal fellowship where there is reverence, respect and order, yet is friendly to our being able to develop proper brotherly and sisterly relationships and friendships. One that is unregimented, and that let's the Holy Spirit bring teaching and counsel to everyone individually, according to their need. That is the kind of fellowship where the Kingdom of God exists!