One taken,one left. The rapture.

[Absolutely]

It is scripture that rips the postrib doctrine.
That is WHY you go hyper general in your replies.

Rev 14:14
Acts 1
Mat 25( about the only vain hope of the virgin parable is for you guys to erroneously insert " bridesmaids after jettisoning "virgins")

None of those bible references can be refuted honestly.

Just keep pretending "we have no verses"

We are 10 to one in making you go against the bible.
You got what ....one verse???
Lol

I think maybe 2, but when looked at honestly it is zero.
SMH.

 

[DavidTree]

^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^

.....can not be answered.

ANSWER in one sentence: "and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath. " -
1 Thess 1:10

This is a PERFECT 10 Answer - No higher score then a 10 as there can only be one correct answer and you either get it CORRECT for a PERFECT score or you err. (JESUS is the PERFECT 10 - SEE chater 1 verse 10)

 

[Absolutely]

This is just so funny.

In fact, it is Scriptue that PROVES a single posttrib resurrection, where those who 'are alive and remain' get glorified bodies. But NO ONE gets a trip to heaven at the resurrection. Or the Bible would have included that.


No rapture in that chapter.

v.14 - I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand.

Silly boy. All references to "sharp sickle" in ch 14 result in LOADS AND LOADS AND LOADS OF BLOOD.

If you want to fantasize that your trip to heaven will include boatloads of blood, that's your perogative.


OK, sure. Jesus was 'raptured', if you want to call it that. Now, show me a verse that describes human beings being given glorified bodies and then taken to heaven.

I'll wait.

[QUOET]Mat 25( about the only vain hope of the virgin parable is for you guys to erroneously insert " bridesmaids after jettisoning "virgins")

Oh yeah. Pull out your parable to prove something. Except the ONLY ONE who can interpret a parable is the ONE who gave it.

And that's NOT you.


Every single one HAS BEEN refuted honestly. But you're just not paying attention.


No pretending needed. None of the verses you just cited even mentions a trip to heaven. What you have done is force a whole lot of PRESUMPTION into those verses.


That is delusional, of course.


If you would wake up and open your eyes, you've been given many verses that prove 1 resurrection, which occurs at the Second Advent, and there are NO trips to heaven.

But you remain in DENIAL.

your bad.[/QUOTE]
HILARIOUS

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
This is just so funny.

In fact, it is Scriptue that PROVES a single posttrib resurrection, where those who 'are alive and remain' get glorified bodies. But NO ONE gets a trip to heaven at the resurrection. Or the Bible would have included that.


No rapture in that chapter.

v.14 - I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand.

Silly boy. All references to "sharp sickle" in ch 14 result in LOADS AND LOADS AND LOADS OF BLOOD.

If you want to fantasize that your trip to heaven will include boatloads of blood, that's your perogative.


OK, sure. Jesus was 'raptured', if you want to call it that. Now, show me a verse that describes human beings being given glorified bodies and then taken to heaven.

I'll wait.

You never honestly looked at any of those verses.

I did. Your eyes are very tightly closed.

What a snarky treatment of Gods word.

Nope. It's YOUR horrible treatment of God's Word that is bad.

Pitiful and disrespecting to Gods word.

You have repeatedly denied the facts of Scripture.

One resurrection of the saved. Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15
Occurs "when He comes". 1 Cor 15:23
Resurrection is proven in Rev 20:5. It is the FIRST one.
Unbelievers will be in the second resurrection, minus glorified bodies, to appear before the GWT.
No trip to heaven. Or there would be a verse about it.

shameful.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It is scripture that rips the postrib doctrine.

You're a rip. Where is the verse that could prove your claim? You know, about Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven?

 

[GaryA]

Rev 14:14

No rapture in that chapter.

v.14 - I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand.

Silly boy. All references to "sharp sickle" in ch 14 result in LOADS AND LOADS AND LOADS OF BLOOD.

I disagree with this - but, will have to address it later when I have more time...

 

[FreeGrace2]

Rev 14:14
No rapture in that chapter.

v.14 - I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand.

Silly boy. All references to "sharp sickle" in ch 14 result in LOADS AND LOADS AND LOADS OF BLOOD.

I disagree with this - but, will have to address it later when I have more time...

Looking forward to it.

 

[Absolutely]

Rev 14:14
No rapture in that chapter.

v.14 - I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand.

Silly boy. All references to "sharp sickle" in ch 14 result in LOADS AND LOADS AND LOADS OF BLOOD.

Looking forward to it.

Then all wheat harvest as well as barley is bad, bloody, and to destruction, since it is harvested via a sickle.

Think before you dive into the empty pool

SMH.

 

[Absolutely]

FreeGrace2 said:
This is just so funny.

In fact, it is Scriptue that PROVES a single posttrib resurrection, where those who 'are alive and remain' get glorified bodies. But NO ONE gets a trip to heaven at the resurrection. Or the Bible would have included that.


No rapture in that chapter.

v.14 - I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand.

Silly boy. All references to "sharp sickle" in ch 14 result in LOADS AND LOADS AND LOADS OF BLOOD.

If you want to fantasize that your trip to heaven will include boatloads of blood, that's your perogative.


OK, sure. Jesus was 'raptured', if you want to call it that. Now, show me a verse that describes human beings being given glorified bodies and then taken to heaven.

I'll wait.

I did. Your eyes are very tightly closed.


Nope. It's YOUR horrible treatment of God's Word that is bad.


You have repeatedly denied the facts of Scripture.

One resurrection of the saved. Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15
Occurs "when He comes". 1 Cor 15:23
Resurrection is proven in Rev 20:5. It is the FIRST one.
Unbelievers will be in the second resurrection, minus glorified bodies, to appear before the GWT.
No trip to heaven. Or there would be a verse about it.

shameful.

SMH
YOU proved zero

Lets see, how does your plan work?
Oh yes, show us one verse that the raptured believers never enter heaven.
Yes
You do that for us .

How does it feel being on the receiving end of that nonsense of yours?

Remember, you need one verse stating raptured believers do not enter heaven.

Therefore your entire doctrine is a fail.

You can't prove it.

What a joke
.

 

[GaryA]

Looking forward to it.

Well - so much for good intentions - maybe in 20-24 hours...?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Then all wheat harvest as well as barley is bad, bloody, and to destruction, since it is harvested via a sickle.

Give up, farmer. Quit trying to force an agricultural event with end times events. They aren't related.

All literal harvests of wheat and barley is GOOD, for it feeds people. But the "harvest" in Rev 14 isn't about feeding people, but rather KILLING PEOPLE. LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of people.

How is it that you can't see that? It is as clear as can be.

Oh, right. You try to force your fantasy of a glorified trip to heaven into everything.

Think before you dive into the empty pool

Said the farmer who has NO evidence from which to defend. Now, THAT'S an "empty pool".

 

[justpassinthrough]

It is scripture that rips the postrib doctrine.
That is WHY you go hyper general in your replies.

Rev 14:14
Acts 1
Mat 25( about the only vain hope of the virgin parable is for you guys to erroneously insert " bridesmaids after jettisoning "virgins")

None of those bible references can be refuted honestly.

Just keep pretending "we have no verses"

We are 10 to one in making you go against the bible.
You got what ....one verse???
Lol

All the word twisting in the word won’t make this scripture “untrue”.


There is no scripture that teaches us the coming of the Lord will occur before the great tribulation.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

JPT

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
This is just so funny.

In fact, it is Scriptue that PROVES a single posttrib resurrection, where those who 'are alive and remain' get glorified bodies. But NO ONE gets a trip to heaven at the resurrection. Or the Bible would have included that.

SMH
YOU proved zero

What have you proved regarding your glorified trip to heaven? Where is your evidence of this supposed trip?

btw, I'm NOT proving anyhing. I've let the Bible speak. That's all. I am showing biblical proof. You can do with it what you will.

Lets see, how does your plan work?

To be clear, end times is God's plan, not mine. So if you continue with this stupid line of thinking, you'll never get anywyere.

Oh yes, show us one verse that the raptured believers never enter heaven.

It's obvious that they won't, because the Bible teaches very clearly
1. ONE resurrection of the saved. 1 Cor 15:23
2. The resurrection of the saved will occur "when He comes", which at the Second Advent. 2 Thess 2:1
3. The resurrection of the saved includes the tribulational martyrs. Rev 20:5

But since you have mocked what the Bible teaches so clearly, you have shown yourself to be quite unreasonable. Possibly unstable.

You won't be convinced of the truth because of your hardened rejection of the truth.

How does it feel being on the receiving end of that nonsense of yours?

I have the truth, which I've shared over and over. And here you are again, rejecting it and calling God's truth nonsense. You have proved my point.

[QUOT]Remember, you need one verse stating raptured believers do not enter heaven.[/QUOTE]
No, I don't. What you need is one verse showing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven. And you ain't got any.

Therefore your entire doctrine is a fail.

This applies directly to you.

The Bible says there is one resurrection of the saved. Not stages, etc. 1 Cor 15:23
The Bible says all believers will be resurrected "when He comes". 1 Cor 15:23
The Bible clearly pinpoints WHEN all believers will be resurrection, which is at the Second Advent. 2 Thess 2:1 Rev 20:5

But you fail to accept the truth. Instead, you call it nonsense.

What is trult nonsense is believing what the Bible DOESN'T SAY.

You can't prove it.

The Bible says it. You can't prove your claim.

 

[Absolutely]

All the word twisting in the word won’t make this scripture “untrue”.


There is no scripture that teaches us the coming of the Lord will occur before the great tribulation.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

JPT

We both believe that.

It is the pretrib verses that you omit in order to formulate a false doctrine.
For example, we have the hundred and forty four thousand in Revelation 14 that r in heaven during the Great Tribulation. Then in verse 14, we see Jesus on a cloud, gathering the main Harvest of Jews.
In Acts chapter 1, the Angels tell the disciples, Jesus will return in like manner as you see him departing. Like Manner, if you look it up, means like Manner.
In your Doctrine, you say the Rapture happens at the white horses descending from heaven. That picture is completely different from acts 1.
You can't reframe it and get cunning enough with it to make it the same thing.
Nor can you cleverly remanufacture Matthew 24, where it talks about Jesus coming, and Jesus framed it "Before the Flood" ,and in the same dynamic as lot, leaving before the destruction.
You also see during the Last Supper Jesus declared he was building structures in heaven for the Saints, and not only that, he said he would not drink of the cup again until he did it with them in heaven
. Now in your Doctrine not Only do you have the Saints never entering heaven, but there's no way they are going to drink or eat in heaven without a glorified body.
We also see in Revelation 19 that the bride has become the wife in heaven.
Now you can get real clever with it and change God's word, but I feel sorry for the people standing around you when you do it. There are sanctions all those people that change God's word especially revelation.

 

[Absolutely]

It is scripture that rips the postrib doctrine.
That is WHY you go hyper general in your replies.

Rev 14:14
Acts 1
Mat 25( about the only vain hope of the virgin parable is for you guys to erroneously insert " bridesmaids after jettisoning "virgins")

None of those bible references can be refuted honestly.

Just keep pretending "we have no verses"

We are 10 to one in making you go against the bible.
You got what ....one verse???
Lol

I think maybe 2, but when looked at honestly it is zero.
SMH.

yep

 

[Absolutely]

All the word twisting in the word won’t make this scripture “untrue”.


There is no scripture that teaches us the coming of the Lord will occur before the great tribulation.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

JPT

"""There is no scripture that teaches us the coming of the Lord will occur before the great tribulation."""

I have shown your statement not only be a lie, but I have buried it in Truth.
Don't change God's word and don't lie about it

Get a bible and honestly address the pretrib rapture verses.

The bible is not place to prove your doctrine that confused church fathers formulated because they thought they were in the gt.

We are past all that error.

You are fooling yourself and those in the postribber camp.

No bereans will fall for it.

 

[Absolutely]

All the word twisting in the word won’t make this scripture “untrue”.


There is no scripture that teaches us the coming of the Lord will occur before the great tribulation.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

JPT

On the contrary, we see clearly the pretrib rapture PROMTED BY JESUS here;

Mat 24
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

" THE FLOOD CAME...JESUS COMES"

TWIST THAT FOR US.

.....you will...or ignore it.
Your postrib workbook can not, and will not, answer any of the pre-tribulation Rapture verses.

But yes ,twist those verses I posted for us.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It is the pretrib verses that you omit in order to formulate a false doctrine.

Once again, there are NO verses that show Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

There are many verses that teach there is ONE resurrection of the saved, and it will be "when He comes" at the Second Advent. There is no "3rd advent" as you presume.

 

[FreeGrace2]

"""There is no scripture that teaches us the coming of the Lord will occur before the great tribulation."""

I have shown your statement not only be a lie, but I have buried it in Truth.

I showed you God's very Word and you referred to it as "nonsense". So don't tell the thread that you have any truth.

Don't change God's word and don't lie about it

Why do you do that?

Get a bible and honestly address the pretrib rapture verses.

Yet, you don't have any "pretrib verses". There will be NO trip to heaven in glorified bodies or the Bible would have said so plainly.

No bereans will fall for it.

By applying the Berean study method from Acts 17:11, one will realize there are NO verses showing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven, and that the single resurrection of the saved will be "when He comes" at the Second Advent.

The Bible is real clear about that.

The Bible is truth.

I believe what the Bible says.

You believe what the Bible doesn't say.

 

[FreeGrace2]

On the contrary, we see clearly the pretrib rapture PROMTED BY JESUS here;

Mat 24
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

" THE FLOOD CAME...JESUS COMES"

No relevance to any pretrib activity at all.

In fact, v.39 warns clearly that just as the flood came without warning, so shall the coming of the Som of man be. Nothing about being taken to heaven. Nothing about a resurrection of believers.

TWIST THAT FOR US.

Yes, you do love to twist Scripture to say what it doesn't say.