An Analysis on the 144,000 in Revelation

[DavidTree]

I have, And not just in Genesis. But the rest of scripture.

You should read the rest of scripture And determine how to properly interpret all the different coveants between God and Abraham and Israel. so you can properly determine which part and which covenant goes where

Like you I have - but I do not argue against what is written.

Focus on the words of the LORD = Matthew ch23 and Zechariah ch14 for in this Truth will you know who the 144K are not,
and in the Gospel of John you will find who the 144K are.

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’” "

 

[kleronomos]

16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.

Where does it say 'SAINTS'?

It says 'THE DEAD' .


SO WHERE DO THESE 'DEAD' COME FROM? and why didn't their spirits go to be where He was?


There is a resurrection of the JUST - those who 'pass through death' and go to be where He is and return with HIM

There is a resurrection of the UNJUST - those who don't PASS THROUGH DEATH, don't go to be where He is, but remain dead



QUESTION. What happens to those who are deceived and have the mark of the beast when Christ returns?












9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that He might be Lord both of the dead and living.

 

[kleronomos]

Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead. - Isa ch26

DO you see THAT as having taken place?

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after His resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.




Isaiah 26:8 Yea, in the way of Thy judgments, O LORD, have we waited for Thee; the desire of our soul is to Thy name, and to the remembrance of thee.

9 With my soul have I desired Thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when Thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.

11 LORD, when Thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.

12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.

13 O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by Thee only will we make mention of Thy name.

THIS IS DIFFERENT

14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

15 Thou hast increased the nation, O LORD, Thou hast increased the nation: Thou art glorified: Thou hadst removed it far unto all the ends of the earth.

16 LORD, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when Thy chastening was upon them.

17 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in Thy sight, O LORD.

18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.

FROM THIS

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

20 Come, My people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.



Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

 

[DavidTree]

Where does it say 'SAINTS'?

It says 'THE DEAD' .

SO WHERE DO THESE 'DEAD' COME FROM? and why didn't their spirits go to be where He was?

There is a resurrection of the JUST - those who 'pass through death' and go to be where He is and return with HIM

There is a resurrection of the UNJUST - those who don't PASS THROUGH DEATH, don't go to be where He is, but remain dead

QUESTION. What happens to those who are deceived and have the mark of the beast when Christ returns?

9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that He might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Dear kleronomos,

Please follow this Blessing and Commandment with me in Christ
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

This also infers that we should not take away from the words of Christ as well.

LOOK at what you did here kleronomos, you said: "
Where does it say 'SAINTS'?
It says 'THE DEAD' .

You subtracted from the Word of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST - this leads to error and sin.

The LORD says:
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep/died in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And so we will always be with the Lord.

Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead. - Isa ch26

 

[kleronomos]

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.


WHEN DID THESE GO FROM BEING IN THE GROUND TO RISING UP TO STANDING BEFORE GOD?

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


Now THESE seem to follow the Isa 26:14 as they don't seem to 'rise' except for JUDGMENT at the end

14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[DavidTree]

Where does it say 'SAINTS'?

It says 'THE DEAD' .

SO WHERE DO THESE 'DEAD' COME FROM? and why didn't their spirits go to be where He was?

There is a resurrection of the JUST - those who 'pass through death' and go to be where He is and return with HIM

There is a resurrection of the UNJUST - those who don't PASS THROUGH DEATH, don't go to be where He is, but remain dead

QUESTION. What happens to those who are deceived and have the mark of the beast when Christ returns?

9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that He might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Anywhere you see this phrase in Scripture: in CHRIST, in HIM = Saints

 

[DavidTree]

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.


WHEN DID THESE GO FROM BEING IN THE GROUND TO RISING UP TO STANDING BEFORE GOD?

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


Now THESE seem to follow the Isa 26:14 as they don't seem to 'rise' except for JUDGMENT at the end

14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

kleronomos, the Scripture says, currently, you are a false witness if you falsely claim the dead do not rise.

Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead,
how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.

For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
1 Cor ch15

 

[kleronomos]

Dear kleronomos,

Please follow this Blessing and Commandment with me in Christ
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

This also infers that we should not take away from the words of Christ as well.

LOOK at what you did here kleronomos, you said: "
Where does it say 'SAINTS'?
It says 'THE DEAD' .

You subtracted from the Word of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST - this leads to error and sin.

The LORD says:
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep/died in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And so we will always be with the Lord.

Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead. - Isa ch26

DEAR DAVID,
WAS IT ME THAT changed it or was it you? let's see who 'the dead' SAINTS

ALL these Scripture declare ONE SINGLE COMING/APPEARING = His Second Coming

His Second APPEARING is NOT in spirit or in a vision or dream = It is HIS Literal Appearing as it was in His First Coming except now HE returns in HIS Glorified Body.

1 Thess 4:13-18 = He brings the Saints with HIM = Their SPIRITS/SOULS as their bodies are still in the grave.

That is why when HE Comes the Resurrection takes place at His Appearing = never Before.
The RESURRECTION of HIS Saints takes place at HIS COMING and with the TRUMPET of GOD = 1 Thess 4:16 & 1 Cor ch15 & Matt ch24

The RESURRECTION of HIS Saints takes place at HIS COMING and with the TRUMPET of GOD = 1 Thess 4:16 & 1 Cor ch15 & Matt ch24

WHO ARE THE 'SAINTS' BEING RESURRECTED AT HIS COMING?

which SHOULD EXPLAIN WHY I WROTE

LOOK at what you did here kleronomos, you said: "
Where does it say 'SAINTS'?
It says 'THE DEAD' .

You NOT ME subtracted CHANGED WHAT WAS WRITTEN from the Word of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST - AND YES, this leads to error and sin.

 

[kleronomos]

kleronomos, the Scripture says, currently, you are a false witness if you falsely claim the dead do not rise.

I AM NOT CLAIMING THE DEAD DO NOT RISE. I am asking you WHO ARE THESE DEAD you CLAIM ARE RISING?

SINCE THE SAINTS ARE RETURNING WITH HIM THEN WHO IS DEAD IN THE GROUND RISING? THAT IS THE QUESTION.


WHO ARE THE DEAD THAT ARE RISING WHEN CHRIST RETURNS WITH THE SAINTS?

 

[kleronomos]

Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead,
how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

I AM THE ONE SAYING THAT WE RESURRECT. AND WE RESURRECT NOT LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD SOME DAY BUT WHEN WE PASS THROUGH DEATH.

YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING THAT 'SOMEDAY WE WILL BE RESURRECTING' BUT THE DEAD DON'T RESURRECT NOW.

 

[DavidTree]

DEAR DAVID,
WAS IT ME THAT changed it or was it you? let's see who 'the dead' SAINTS


The RESURRECTION of HIS Saints takes place at HIS COMING and with the TRUMPET of GOD = 1 Thess 4:16 & 1 Cor ch15 & Matt ch24

WHO ARE THE 'SAINTS' BEING RESURRECTED AT HIS COMING?

which SHOULD EXPLAIN WHY I WROTE

LOOK at what you did here kleronomos, you said: "
Where does it say 'SAINTS'?
It says 'THE DEAD' .

You NOT ME subtracted CHANGED WHAT WAS WRITTEN from the Word of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST - AND YES, this leads to error and sin.

All you proved here is willful ignorance and hardness of heart

I AM NOT CLAIMING THE DEAD DO NOT RISE. I am asking you WHO ARE THESE DEAD you CLAIM ARE RISING?

SINCE THE SAINTS ARE RETURNING WITH HIM THEN WHO IS DEAD IN THE GROUND RISING? THAT IS THE QUESTION.


WHO ARE THE DEAD THAT ARE RISING WHEN CHRIST RETURNS WITH THE SAINTS?

There are No Bodily Resurrected, from the Grave/Earth, Saints in Heaven, not now and not until HIS COMING.

The Saints who have DIED in CHRIST are in Heaven now = Their Souls/Spirits ONLY

This is who God brings with JESUS at HIS COMING = 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Rev 19 and Jude 1:4

 

[DavidTree]

I AM THE ONE SAYING THAT WE RESURRECT. AND WE RESURRECT NOT LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD SOME DAY BUT WHEN WE PASS THROUGH DEATH.

YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING THAT 'SOMEDAY WE WILL BE RESURRECTING' BUT THE DEAD DON'T RESURRECT NOW.

I make NO Claims - I do follow and bow my knee unto Christ and His word.

Where does your physical body go when you die?
AND
Where does your soul/spirit go when you die?

GOD says they separate = physical body gets buried in the earth/sea and your spirit/soul goes to Christ IF you are in HIM.

 

[kleronomos]

Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.

SO YES, IF WE DON'T RESURRECT WHEN WE DIE THEN CHRIST DIDN'T RESURRECT WHEN HE DIED.

I AM SAYING WE RESURRECT WHEN WE DIE JUST LIKE CHRIST DID WHEN HE DIED.



ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALSO? NO. NO YOU ARE NOT.


YOU ARE SAYING
THE DEAD ARE NOT RESURRECTING AND THE DEAD WILL NOT BE RESURRECTING UNTIL SOME DAY IN THE FUTURE, IS THIS CORRECT?



AS OF TODAY AND RIGHT THIS MINUTE AND I AM NOT ASKING IF THE DEAD WILL ONE DAY RESURRECT BUT I AM ASKING YOU


DO THE DEAD RESURRECT? OR DO THE DEAD NOT RESURRECT?

THESE ARE STRAIGHT FORWARD SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTIONS THAT WILL TELL YOU IF YOU ARE READING WHAT IS WRITTEN OR IF YOU ARE BRINGING TO WHAT IS WRITTEN.



IF WE ARE RAISED IN GLORY AND WE ARE RAISED IN A SPIRITUAL BODY THEN WHY COME BACK FOR ONE MADE OF DIRT?

 

[DavidTree]

SO YES, IF WE DON'T RESURRECT WHEN WE DIE THEN CHRIST DIDN'T RESURRECT WHEN HE DIED.

I AM SAYING WE RESURRECT WHEN WE DIE JUST LIKE CHRIST DID WHEN HE DIED.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALSO? NO. NO YOU ARE NOT.

YOU ARE SAYING
THE DEAD ARE NOT RESURRECTING AND THE DEAD WILL NOT BE RESURRECTING UNTIL SOME DAY IN THE FUTURE, IS THIS CORRECT?

AS OF TODAY AND RIGHT THIS MINUTE AND I AM NOT ASKING IF THE DEAD WILL ONE DAY RESURRECT BUT I AM ASKING YOU

DO THE DEAD RESURRECT? OR DO THE DEAD NOT RESURRECT?

THESE ARE STRAIGHT FORWARD SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTIONS THAT WILL TELL YOU IF YOU ARE READING WHAT IS WRITTEN OR IF YOU ARE BRINGING TO WHAT IS WRITTEN.

IF WE ARE RAISED IN GLORY AND WE ARE RAISED IN A SPIRITUAL BODY THEN WHY COME BACK FOR ONE MADE OF DIRT?

GOD says that the DEAD in CHRIST will be resurrected from the graves on earth/sea at HIS COMING = 1 Thess 4:13-18

No Saint will be bodily resurrected into a Glorified Immortal Body until His Second Coming.

1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 John ch2 -ch3 , 1 Cor ch15

 

[kleronomos]

All you proved here is willful ignorance and hardness of heart



There are No Bodily Resurrected, from the Grave/Earth, Saints in Heaven, not now and not until HIS COMING.

The Saints who have DIED in CHRIST are in Heaven now = Their Souls/Spirits ONLY

This is who God brings with JESUS at HIS COMING = 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Rev 19 and Jude 1:4

WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT THERE ARE NO BODIES IN HEAVEN? WHO ARE YOU TO DISEMBODY SOULS WHEN GOD GAVE US A HEAVENLY BODY?

WHY WOULD WE BE GIVEN A HEAVENLY BODY AND THEN NOT USE IT?




THEN YOU ARE DENYING WHAT IS WRITTEN

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. WHERE DOES THIS GIVE A TIME OR PLACE OR IS IT YOU THAT IS ASSIGNING A TIME AND A PLACE FOR WHEN THIS MAY OR MAY NOT OCCUR? YOU KEEP SAYING IT. NEXT TIME DON'T USE ANY OF YOUR OWN WORDS AND JUST USE GODS AND WE WILL SEE HOW FAR YOU CAN GO DOWN THIS PATH.



It is sown in corruption; WHAT IS SOWN IN CORRUPTION? OUR DEAD EARTHEN VESSEL

it is raised in incorruption: WHAT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION? OUR LIVE SPIRITUAL VESSEL

43 It is sown in dishonour; WHAT IS SOWN IN DIS HONOR? OUR DEAD SINFUL FLESH VESSEL

it is raised in glory: WHAT IS RAISED IN GLORY? OUR LIVE SPIRITUAL VESSEL

it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; WHAT IS SOWN? OUR EARTHEN VESSEL

it is raised a spiritual body. WHAT IS RAISED? OUR SPIRITUAL VESSEL

There is a natural body, THERE CURRENT IS AN EARTHEN VESSEL

and there is a spiritual body. THERE CURRENTLY IS A SPIRITUAL VESSEL



1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

WHERE ARE THE WORDS

WE WILL ONE DAY COME BACK TO BE GIVEN OUR HEAVENLY BODY BUT WE WILL FIRST GO TO HEAVEN WITHOUT IT?



1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery;


We shall not all sleep, WE SHALL NOT ALL SLEEP AND GO TO BE WITH THE LORD AND TO BE BROUGHT BACK

but we shall all be changed,

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.



SO WHO ARE THE DEAD BEING RAISED IF ALL THE SAINTS HAVE RISEN TO HEAVEN ALREADY?????????????

 

[DavidTree]

SO YES, IF WE DON'T RESURRECT WHEN WE DIE THEN CHRIST DIDN'T RESURRECT WHEN HE DIED.

I AM SAYING WE RESURRECT WHEN WE DIE JUST LIKE CHRIST DID WHEN HE DIED.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALSO? NO. NO YOU ARE NOT.

YOU ARE SAYING
THE DEAD ARE NOT RESURRECTING AND THE DEAD WILL NOT BE RESURRECTING UNTIL SOME DAY IN THE FUTURE, IS THIS CORRECT?
AS OF TODAY AND RIGHT THIS MINUTE AND I AM NOT ASKING IF THE DEAD WILL ONE DAY RESURRECT BUT I AM ASKING YOU

DO THE DEAD RESURRECT? OR DO THE DEAD NOT RESURRECT?

THESE ARE STRAIGHT FORWARD SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTIONS THAT WILL TELL YOU IF YOU ARE READING WHAT IS WRITTEN OR IF YOU ARE BRINGING TO WHAT IS WRITTEN.

IF WE ARE RAISED IN GLORY AND WE ARE RAISED IN A SPIRITUAL BODY THEN WHY COME BACK FOR ONE MADE OF DIRT?

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. = Future tense
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits,
afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

GOD Says this at least 3X in HIS WORD = 1 Cor ch15 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Hebrews 9:28

 

[FreeGrace2]

A COPOUT? While it is true I don't know much about how MEDIUMS OR 'SEANCE' WORK,

I KNOW no one RISES FROM THE DEAD, BUT BY THE POWER OF THE LORD.

THE QUESTION I WAS ASKED WAS about the KIND OF BODY he was in.

MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WAS

"Neither, Samuel wasn't present at all. Samuel 'didn't come up'. THERE was NO KIND OF BODY. I don't know how people with 'familiar spirits' bring up evil spirits nor how those visions work but we are only told what they 'said and thought' they saw, so I don't understand why you ASKING ME or are bringing this into the conversation again as you obviously know this"

Your answer ignores the plain read of the text.

Saul DID show up, which scared the witch greatly! She wasn't expecting a person, since all seances are the work of demons. But not this one.

The Bible is very clear: Saul spoke with Samuel and Samuel spoke with Saul.

SO YES, PEOPLE JUST READ WHAT THEY WANT TO READ.

Well, yes. That 's what you've done.

SO, you answer the question I was asked
Was Samuel present in a glorified spirit body or a different kind of spirit body?

We simply don't know. The Bible doesn't address it. Just accept that Samuel was disturbed from his rest in Paradise and told Saul that.

What kind of body he had, if any, is unknown. Let's not speculate.

 

[kleronomos]

GOD says they separate = physical body gets buried in the earth/sea and your spirit/soul goes to Christ IF you are in HIM.

GOD SAYS WE HAVE TWO BODIES AND EVERY SEED HAS A BODY AND THE QUESTION ASKED ISN'T 'DO WE RISE WITH OR WITHOUT A BODY THE QUESTION IS ASKED WITH WHAT BODY DO WE RISE.

SO WHO IS CHANGING WHAT IS WRITTEN????

YOU HAVE 'BODYLESS' SEEDS RUNNING AROUND

 

[DavidTree]

WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT THERE ARE NO BODIES IN HEAVEN? WHO ARE YOU TO DISEMBODY SOULS WHEN GOD GAVE US A HEAVENLY BODY?

WHY WOULD WE BE GIVEN A HEAVENLY BODY AND THEN NOT USE IT?




THEN YOU ARE DENYING WHAT IS WRITTEN

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. WHERE DOES THIS GIVE A TIME OR PLACE OR IS IT YOU THAT IS ASSIGNING A TIME AND A PLACE FOR WHEN THIS MAY OR MAY NOT OCCUR? YOU KEEP SAYING IT. NEXT TIME DON'T USE ANY OF YOUR OWN WORDS AND JUST USE GODS AND WE WILL SEE HOW FAR YOU CAN GO DOWN THIS PATH.



It is sown in corruption; WHAT IS SOWN IN CORRUPTION? OUR DEAD EARTHEN VESSEL

it is raised in incorruption: WHAT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION? OUR LIVE SPIRITUAL VESSEL

43 It is sown in dishonour; WHAT IS SOWN IN DIS HONOR? OUR DEAD SINFUL FLESH VESSEL

it is raised in glory: WHAT IS RAISED IN GLORY? OUR LIVE SPIRITUAL VESSEL

it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; WHAT IS SOWN? OUR EARTHEN VESSEL

it is raised a spiritual body. WHAT IS RAISED? OUR SPIRITUAL VESSEL

There is a natural body, THERE CURRENT IS AN EARTHEN VESSEL

and there is a spiritual body. THERE CURRENTLY IS A SPIRITUAL VESSEL

1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

WHERE ARE THE WORDS

WE WILL ONE DAY COME BACK TO BE GIVEN OUR HEAVENLY BODY BUT WE WILL FIRST GO TO HEAVEN WITHOUT IT?

1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery;

We shall not all sleep, WE SHALL NOT ALL SLEEP AND GO TO BE WITH THE LORD AND TO BE BROUGHT BACK

but we shall all be changed,

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.

SO WHO ARE THE DEAD BEING RAISED IF ALL THE SAINTS HAVE RISEN TO HEAVEN ALREADY?????????????

DavidTree is a faithful witness of the Word of God who does not add to or take away from His Word.
Therefore my words AGREE with God's words concerning the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ.

Here is PROOF:
But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. = Future tense
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits,
afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

GOD Says this at least 3X in HIS WORD = 1 Cor ch15 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Hebrews 9:28

DavidTree believes what GOD says - I bear witness to you of His Truth this day - amen.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

WHEN DID THESE GO FROM BEING IN THE GROUND TO RISING UP TO STANDING BEFORE GOD?

These are all the dead unbelievers. Awaiting the GWT judgment, in the place of torments, in Hades. That's where they come from.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Now THESE seem to follow the Isa 26:14 as they don't seem to 'rise' except for JUDGMENT at the end

14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

That's exactly right. They rise FOR the GWT.

btw, since Revelation also describes the lake of fire as the "second death", I believe the resurrection of the unsaved will be back in their mortal bodies, only to have them die again. And then their unsaved soul will exist in the lake of fire "for ever and ever".

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The words "second death" cannot refer to spiritual death, since ALL unbelievers are already spiritually dead.

It must refer to their resurrection back into their mortal bodies, only to die again. A second time.