Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

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I provided over a dozen verses, and they all testify against shedding innocent blood. God cannot hate his own works, so He can't shed innocent blood:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-If the earth swallow them up, the ye shall understand that they have provoked the Lord:

Numbers 16:30 But if the Lord make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the Lord
Numbers 16:40 To be a memorial unto the children of Israel, that no stranger, which is not of the seed of Aaron, come near to offer incense before the Lord; that he be not as Korah, and as his company: as the Lord said to him by the hand of Moses.

-And you are murmuring just like they murmured:

Numbers 16:41 But on the morrow all the congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron, saying, Ye have killed the people of the Lord.

-This is what happend to the murmurers:

Numbers 16:44 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
45 Get you up from among this congregation, that I may consume them as in a moment. And they fell upon their faces.
46 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a censer, and put fire therein from off the altar, and put on incense, and go quickly unto the congregation, and make an atonement for them: for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; the plague is begun.
49 Now they that died in the plague were fourteen thousand and seven hundred, beside them that died about the matter of Korah.

It does, but it doesn't even need to say, because if the earth swalled them up, then ye shall understand they have provoked the Lord. He can't shed innocent blood, so they must have been guilty in order to be killed by Him.

It does, but it doesn't even need to, because if God killed them, then ye shall understand that they have provoked the Lord.
you proved verses of not shedding innocent blood FYI that is called Murder

Thous shall not Kill means do not shed innocent blood. Before you go on to some tangent Was Jesus innocent? Of course.

Yet the verse says in Isaiah 53:10


10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Jesus who did not sin became sin for us to be a payment that God requires for sin. God killed an innocent man for you and me. God did that and HE sent Himself as the one to be killed or lay HIS life down for you and me.

Just as HE took skins to cover Adam and Eve HE took the life of His only Son who was not a sinner or knew sin. as John 3:16 says.
 

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I provided over a dozen verses, and they all testify against shedding innocent blood. God cannot hate his own works, so He can't shed innocent blood:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-If the earth swallow them up, the ye shall understand that they have provoked the Lord:

Numbers 16:30 But if the Lord make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the Lord
Numbers 16:40 To be a memorial unto the children of Israel, that no stranger, which is not of the seed of Aaron, come near to offer incense before the Lord; that he be not as Korah, and as his company: as the Lord said to him by the hand of Moses.

-And you are murmuring just like they murmured:

Numbers 16:41 But on the morrow all the congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron, saying, Ye have killed the people of the Lord.

-This is what happend to the murmurers:

Numbers 16:44 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
45 Get you up from among this congregation, that I may consume them as in a moment. And they fell upon their faces.
46 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a censer, and put fire therein from off the altar, and put on incense, and go quickly unto the congregation, and make an atonement for them: for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; the plague is begun.
49 Now they that died in the plague were fourteen thousand and seven hundred, beside them that died about the matter of Korah.

It does, but it doesn't even need to say, because if the earth swalled them up, then ye shall understand they have provoked the Lord. He can't shed innocent blood, so they must have been guilty in order to be killed by Him.

It does, but it doesn't even need to, because if God killed them, then ye shall understand that they have provoked the Lord.

you need to stop taking the word out of Context. we know what the men did women and children come to Moses and Aaron to rebel against them>? Did the word of God say women and children were there? the children were innocent yet God is still just killing them.

Korah is just one example. Listen as said earlier IO doesn't care if you agree or not. But don't think you are so enlightened to call other blasphemers. Pray and read the Bible.
 
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10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Yes, God is pleased by True sacrifices, not blood sacrifices:

Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
God killed an innocent man
the children were innocent yet God is still just killing them.
I'm going to stop responding to you, because I don't want you to keep blaspheming. God cannot sin, nor shed innocent blood, it is an abomination. So, if the earth swallowed them up, then ye shall understand, that they have provoked the Lord.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
 

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Yes, God is pleased by True sacrifices, not blood sacrifices:

Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.



I'm going to stop responding to you, because I don't want you to keep blaspheming. God cannot sin, nor shed innocent blood, it is an abomination. So, if the earth swallowed them up, then ye shall understand, that they have provoked the Lord.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
I am not blaspheming AND I WILL REPORT YOU TO ADMIN. No one has said or suggested Gos sins. You created that in your own biblical application or understanding.
 
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No one has said or suggested Gos sins.
Shedding innocent blood is a sin, murder is a sin: "Thou shalt not kill".
God killed an innocent man
the children were innocent yet God is still just killing them.
God cannot sin
Sin is the transgression of the law.

So, God cannot transgress the law.

Examples: God cannot murder innocent children; God cannot kill an innocent man.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
 

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No, the killing of animals is unlawful, and not the Will of the Father.

The commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." not only prohibits humans from commiting adultery with humans, but it also prohibits bestiality. So, in like manner, the commandment: " Thou shalt not kill." not only prohibits the killing of humans, but it also prohibits the killing of animals. The commandments are not just talking about humans. That is why both bestiality and the killing of animals are unlawful.

-The killing of an ox is equated to murder, both are abominations:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

-And food is not an excuse for murder, because the Father gave us the herbs and fruit for food, not animals:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

-There is also the abomination which the Lord hates: shedding the innocent blood of the animals:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-The Father doesn't want us killing each other:

Isaiah 65:25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.
Genesis 3:21
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Genesis 27:16
And she put the skins of the kids of the goats upon his hands, and upon the smooth of his neck:

Exodus 26:14
And thou shalt make a covering for the tent of rams' skins dyed red, and a covering above of badgers' skins.

Leviticus 7:8
And the priest that offereth any man's burnt offering, even the priest shall have to himself the skin of the burnt offering which he hath offered.
 

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"After the Flood, Noah offered of "every clean beast, and of every clean fowl" (ib. viii. 20). The building of altars by the Patriarchs is frequently recorded (ib. xii. 7, 8; xiii. 4, 18; xxi. 33; xxvi. 25; xxxiii. 20; xxxv. 7). Abraham offers a sacrifice at which Yhwh makes a covenant with him (ib. xv.). In the history of Jacob a sacrifice is mentioned as a ratification of a treaty (ib. xxxi. 54). He sacrifices also when he leaves Canaan to settle in Egypt (ib. xlvi. 1). Abraham had been or believed he had been given the command to sacrifice his son (ib. xxii.). These ancient offerings included not only the bloodless kind (ib. iv. 3), but also holocausts (ib. viii. 20, xxii. 13) and animal thank-offerings (ib. xxxi. 54, xlvi. 1). "
https://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7928-human-sacrifice#anchor1
 

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" A rite expressive of the same idea is (see Jer. xxxiv. 18; compare Gen. xv. et seq.) the cutting of a sacrificial animal into two parts, between which the contracting parties pass, showing thereby that they are bound to each other; the eating together of the meat, which usually follows, reiterating the same idea. "
https://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4714-covenant
 

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Psalm 51:19

Easy-to-Read Version



19 Then you can enjoy the kind of sacrifices you want.[a]
You will receive whole burnt offerings,
and people will again offer bulls on your altar.
 
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"After the Flood, Noah offered of "every clean beast, and of every clean fowl"
Think about it. Only two of each animal were saved in the ark. Noah most definitely didn't feast upon their corpses, like a barbarian, or else he would've extinguish the species. Which means Noah, without a doubt, only ate herbs and fruits during the flood. Furthermore, the animals themselves, couldn't kill each other, or else the specie would be extinct, so they ate straw like a lion who's full of the knowledge of the Lord. And even after the flood, they need time to multiply, so, depending on the animal, there is at least a year or two before Noah can offer beasts on the altar. But why should he? He has been eating herbs and fruits up until now, and so have the animals, so why should he kill, hurt or destroy in His Holy Mountain?

-I reject those so called "jewish" quotes, the same way they rejected Messiah. So, if you want to discuss with me, discuss on the Word.
And this is the Word, in case you didn't saw it:

1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

Isaiah 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
 

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Only two of each animal were saved in the ark.
Wrong. Seven pairs of each animal considered clean was on the ark, and also seven pairs of every kind of bird.

Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. Genesis 7:2-3
 
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Sorry, the clean are seven, ok. I guess that gives you space to believe Noah lived off of death, during the flood, right? Every one has to choose for themselves indeed. But this is the only thing I'm wrong? Do you agree the animals themselves didn't kill each other?

Do you agree shedding innocent blood is an abomination?
 

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Sorry, the clean are seven, ok. I guess that gives you space to believe Noah lived off of death, during the flood, right? Every one has to choose for themselves indeed. But this is the only thing I'm wrong? Do you agree the animals themselves didn't kill each other?

Do you agree shedding innocent blood is an abomination?
If animals did not kill each other, and if God did not kill them (as you believe), how did the animals die that God got skins from? How does my affirming what Scripture says to counter your error mean I believe Noah lived off death? Guess again. No, it is not the only thing you are wrong in, for it is wrong of you to repeatedly demand verses that specifically articulate that God killed the animals to make a covering for Adam and Eve, when you are incapable of providing any verse that specifically articulates the innocence of animals. Your double standard has been highlighted many times over, but you persist in it regardless. If God kills an animal it is not murder, whether we consider animals innocent or not. Animals most certainly do kill each other.
 
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If animals did not kill each other, and if God did not kill them (as you believe), how did the animals die that God got skins from? How does my affirming what Scripture says to counter your error mean I believe Noah lived off death? Guess again. No, it is not the only thing you are wrong in, for it is wrong of you to repeatedly demand verses that specifically articulate that God killed the animals to make a covering for Adam and Eve, when you are incapable of providing any verse that specifically articulates the innocence of animals. Your double standard has been highlighted many times over. If God kills an animal it is not murder, whether we consider animals innocent or not. Animals most certainly do kill each other.
This guy's just being stupid on purpose, or perhaps it comes natural. Either way, PARB!
 

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No, the killing of animals is unlawful, and not the Will of the Father.
your question is sort of off of course it is lawful to kill and sacrifice animals , but the law didn’t come until Moses and it came because of sin as all death has come to creation by sin.

I’m the beginning the law didn’t exist and even animals didn’t eat other animals Gods covenant was with both man and animal to eat herbs

“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:29-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there was no death at this point nor was there the Ten Commandments death comes in when man transgressed this command

“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s at this point that death enters creation thorough breaking Gods command warning then of death.

the first animal known to be sacrificed was abels sheep, but if we look harder we see that God made atonement to cover the death of thier transgression just after they sinned

“Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

death is a result of sin even sacrificial death it wasn’t part of anything until man cursed creation and brought death into being.

the. See how it changes from what Adam was told in the beginning regarding mans food

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭9:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Because of sin , death is now a part of the world so animals have become food.

your question “is it lawful “ requires one to look at the law which came four hundred plus years after the promise of the gospel was made to Abraham and indeed it is lawful it is instructed in the law to kill and sacrifice animal blood , again to cover thier sin which requires death

“And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and came only because of transgression and was only meant to last until Jesus came to fulfill the covenant made with Abraham regarding his seed

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬




“and he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD: it is a sin offering.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one of many commands to kill animals in the law which came as a result of sin and produced death. And so death is required by the law and animal death is used as a propitiation until Christ came forth


So it is lawful yes , but it also wasn’t Gods plan from the beginning before sin came and the law came as a result later

in the new creation I don’t believe anything will die anymore because there will be no sin it will be as in Eden the lion and lamb lying together and eating grass and herbs while man also eating herbs and fruit from the trees of life

lawful is whatever the law states but it was always a result of mans sin and the result of death
 
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stupid on purpose
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
I believe Noah lived off death?
Yes, if you think Noah feasted upon dead corpses, ate their body of death, lived off of death, as in death sustaining him.
Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

how did the animals die that God got skins from?
It is not written how they die, but they died after sin had entered the world. God didn't kill them because God cannot sin. And killing them is an abomination, so you can't have God sinning, nor contradicting Himself, nor hating Himself:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
the law didn’t come until Moses
death enters creation thorough breaking Gods command
Isn't the command God gave to Adam and Eve, a Law? Isn't because they broke the Law that they were judged and punished accordingly?
Before the Law of Moses there were already Laws, even Abraham had laws, just not the Law of Moses:

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Check the verses, they are on these page. Blood Sacrifice is condemned as an abomination by The True God, and His Holy Law. It is only in the law of men you will find justification for shedding innocent blood, in the Law of Moses. Choose you this day whom will ye serve.
 
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