Two Resurrections, Two Deaths, Three Lives.

[Roughsoul1991]

The first resurrection of the dead is eternal life. The second resurrection of the dead is the second death.


Proof text of two resurrections:


John 5:28-29
English Standard Version
28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.


Resurrection to life eternal:


1 Thessalonians 4:16
English Standard Version
16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.


Resurrection to death eternal:


Revelation 20:12-15
English Standard Version


12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

There will be two deaths or three lives, and all are entirely different.


1st death is physical
2nd death is of the soul (death not in annihilation but death as being forever cut off from God)


In Christianity, to be reborn is a physical but also spiritual transformation. In physical sanctification and spiritual reunification as a child of God.


2 Corinthians 5:17 (ESV)
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.


2 Corinthians 5:18
English Standard Version
18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation;


1st life is physically being born by a woman.


2nd life is to be reborn through the Spirit of God.


3rd life is glorification (resurrection from physical death to be like His glorious body. Or immediate transformation if still physically alive. This happens when Christ returns for the 1st time to snatch away the Church from judgment)


Philippians 3:20-21 ESV
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

 

[DavidTree]

The first resurrection of the dead is eternal life. The second resurrection of the dead is the second death.


Proof text of two resurrections:


John 5:28-29
English Standard Version
28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.


Resurrection to life eternal:


1 Thessalonians 4:16
English Standard Version
16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.


Resurrection to death eternal:


Revelation 20:12-15
English Standard Version


12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

There will be two deaths or three lives, and all are entirely different.


1st death is physical
2nd death is of the soul (death not in annihilation but death as being forever cut off from God)


In Christianity, to be reborn is a physical but also spiritual transformation. In physical sanctification and spiritual reunification as a child of God.


2 Corinthians 5:17 (ESV)
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.


2 Corinthians 5:18
English Standard Version
18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation;


1st life is physically being born by a woman.


2nd life is to be reborn through the Spirit of God.


3rd life is glorification (resurrection from physical death to be like His glorious body. Or immediate transformation if still physically alive. This happens when Christ returns for the 1st time to snatch away the Church from judgment)


Philippians 3:20-21 ESV
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

GLORY = Absolutely TWO Resurrections

Make a correction: First death (1a) is of the soul of man = Genesis ch3 , Psalm 51:5 , Eph 2:1-3
Death 1b is the physical body of man.
But God considers these as a connected death since the soul is contained in the body(until departure at physical death).

JESUS came to save us from the Second Death, which is eternal separation from HIM.

No one can escape the Second Death apart from the Blood of Christ and the New Birth being resurrected from sin unto Eternal LIFE.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The first resurrection of the dead is eternal life. The second resurrection of the dead is the second death.

Proof text of two resurrections:

John 5:28-29
English Standard Version
28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

Also Acts 24:15 says there will be a resurrection of the saved and a resurrection of the unsaved.

The resurrection of the saved will occur "when He comes", which is the Second Advent. 1 Cor 15:23 and 2 Thess 2:1

Resurrection to death eternal:


Revelation 20:12-15
English Standard Version


12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

The resurrection of the unsaved is for the purpose of attending the GWT judgement, as noted here.

However, John also called the lake of fire the "second death". Since all humans are born separated from God, that being spiritual death, the "second death" is not spiritual, but rather physical.

iow, after the GWT judgment, unbelievers will be cast into the lake of fire, where their physically resurrected bodies will DIE AGAIN.

There will be two deaths or three lives, and all are entirely different.

I wasn't able to find any reference for a 3rd life.

Here is the biblical format for life and death.

Everyone will either

be born once and die twice, or be born twice and die once.

All deaths here are physical.

Since all humans are born spiritually dead, they cannot die again.

And those who have been reborn, cannot die spiritually, since they possess eternal life. John 5:24, 10:28

3rd life is glorification (resurrection from physical death to be like His glorious body. Or immediate transformation if still physically alive. This happens when Christ returns for the 1st time to snatch away the Church from judgment)

OK, here it is.

 

[Magenta]

Our God is a Consuming Fire

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Also Acts 24:15 says there will be a resurrection of the saved and a resurrection of the unsaved.

The resurrection of the saved will occur "when He comes", which is the Second Advent. 1 Cor 15:23 and 2 Thess 2:1


The resurrection of the unsaved is for the purpose of attending the GWT judgement, as noted here.

However, John also called the lake of fire the "second death". Since all humans are born separated from God, that being spiritual death, the "second death" is not spiritual, but rather physical.

iow, after the GWT judgment, unbelievers will be cast into the lake of fire, where their physically resurrected bodies will DIE AGAIN.


I wasn't able to find any reference for a 3rd life.

Here is the biblical format for life and death.

Everyone will either

be born once and die twice, or be born twice and die once.

All deaths here are physical.

Since all humans are born spiritually dead, they cannot die again.

And those who have been reborn, cannot die spiritually, since they possess eternal life. John 5:24, 10:28


OK, here it is.

I agree! Amen.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

GLORY = Absolutely TWO Resurrections

Make a correction: First death (1a) is of the soul of man = Genesis ch3 , Psalm 51:5 , Eph 2:1-3
Death 1b is the physical body of man.
But God considers these as a connected death since the soul is contained in the body(until departure at physical death).

JESUS came to save us from the Second Death, which is eternal separation from HIM.

No one can escape the Second Death apart from the Blood of Christ and the New Birth being resurrected from sin unto Eternal LIFE.

I see what you mean. The reason I don't say 3 deaths because I see dead to sin as a prophetic statement that means once we sin and are of the age or mind to know right and wrong, if we never accept Christ then comes the death of the body and of the soul in final judgement.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Have you noted Jesus spoke of two resurrections one present and one in the future here

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. ( #1) those who accept the gospel now are part of the living from the dead )

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, ( #2)

and now (#1) is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, ( #2) in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24-25, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one resurrection are the born again now through the gospel , another is foretold at the end for the dead. We can become part ofnthe living now and pass from the condemnation death holds.

if we let our flesh die , and spirit live we don’t have to go to the grave and wait

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25

( now is this time )

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because we can pass from it now by faith hearing ( accepting and keeping ) his word or we can be part of the last resurrection Jesus talked about when the dead will come out of the grave and hell in the end for judgement

this is ( the time is coming )

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can now overcome the second death and be part of the resurrection of Christ of we accept his judgement now. Or we can reject it now and be judged by the same word in the end

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭

whether we hear and believe the gospel determines if we live on or wait in the grave for the last day

 

[ewq1938]

Unfortunately the bible never says the words "the first death" so we have to reverse engineer what "the second death" is to understand what the first death would be.


Before the second death happens, the unsaved dead will be resurrected back to mortal and physical life. When the bible mentions the second death, it is speaking of a literal death (of body, soul and spirit) with nothing left alive. That means first death is the normal death people experience, which also is a literal death except only the body dies.


The spiritual or figurative death Adam experienced is not related to the first and second deaths (the first physical death and the second physical death) ie: it should not be called the first death because that adds confusion since the first death that a mortal body experiences is not a spiritual death.

1. The first death is death of body ie: when someone dies.

2. The second death is the second time a mortal body dies, the soul and spirit will also die and the fire in the lake will consume all three ie: the entirety of a person.


Spiritual death is a figurative type of death so is not numbered. However this type of death can happen to someone who has not physically died the first death of the body.



First death: human body dies, soul and spirit remain alive.
Second death: human body, soul and spirit die, nothing remains alive.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Have you noted Jesus spoke of two resurrections one present and one in the future here

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. ( #1) those who accept the gospel now are part of the living from the dead )

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, ( #2)

and now (#1) is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, ( #2) in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24-25, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one resurrection are the born again now through the gospel , another is foretold at the end for the dead. We can become part ofnthe living now and pass from the condemnation death holds.

if we let our flesh die , and spirit live we don’t have to go to the grave and wait

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25

( now is this time )

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because we can pass from it now by faith hearing ( accepting and keeping ) his word or we can be part of the last resurrection Jesus talked about when the dead will come out of the grave and hell in the end for judgement

this is ( the time is coming )

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can now overcome the second death and be part of the resurrection of Christ of we accept his judgement now. Or we can reject it now and be judged by the same word in the end

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭

whether we hear and believe the gospel determines if we live on or wait in the grave for the last day

Yes it was noted in the OP and I agree thank you.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Unfortunately the bible never says the words "the first death" so we have to reverse engineer what "the second death" is to understand what the first death would be.

Well, kinda. The Bible says this, in Heb 9:27 - Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

Therefore, those who will die twice have 2 deaths; a first and then a second death. Oh yeah. The Bible describes the lake of fire as being the second death. There you go.

Unbelievers will die twice. Physically die twice.

Whereas, believers are born twice.

Interesting comparison.

Before the second death happens, the unsaved dead will be resurrected back to mortal and physical life. When the bible mentions the second death, it is speaking of a literal death (of body, soul and spirit) with nothing left alive.

This is what annihilationists believe. That unbelievers will ultimately cease to exist. And that is exactly what atheists believe about death. They think they will simply cease to exist. Both are wrong.

Rev 20 tells us very clearly that the beast, FP and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire and "be tormented for ever and ever". What follows is the GWT judgment, where all unbelievers will also be cast into the lake of fire.

There is no reason to think that unbelievers won't undergo the same as the beast, FP (both human beings) and fallen angels.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

GLORY = Absolutely TWO Resurrections

Make a correction: First death (1a) is of the soul of man = Genesis ch3 , Psalm 51:5 , Eph 2:1-3
Death 1b is the physical body of man.
But God considers these as a connected death since the soul is contained in the body(until departure at physical death).

JESUS came to save us from the Second Death, which is eternal separation from HIM.

No one can escape the Second Death apart from the Blood of Christ and the New Birth being resurrected from sin unto Eternal LIFE.

"I was He who lived, and was dead, and behold, I live forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades." (Rev. 1:18) This one verse explains everything - believers live twice, die once, period.

 

[DavidTree]

Well, kinda. The Bible says this, in Heb 9:27 - Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

Therefore, those who will die twice have 2 deaths; a first and then a second death. Oh yeah. The Bible describes the lake of fire as being the second death. There you go.

Unbelievers will die twice. Physically die twice.

Whereas, believers are born twice.

Interesting comparison.


This is what annihilationists believe. That unbelievers will ultimately cease to exist. And that is exactly what atheists believe about death. They think they will simply cease to exist. Both are wrong.

Rev 20 tells us very clearly that the beast, FP and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire and "be tormented for ever and ever". What follows is the GWT judgment, where all unbelievers will also be cast into the lake of fire.

There is no reason to think that unbelievers won't undergo the same as the beast, FP (both human beings) and fallen angels.

Revelation 20:10
"The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'

1,000 Years after the beast and false prophet are thrown into the Lake of Fire, they are still there.......

 

[FreeGrace2]

Revelation 20:10
"The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'

1,000 Years after the beast and false prophet are thrown into the Lake of Fire, they are still there.......

Excellent point! Thanks.

But the "annihilationists" will over look such truth.

 

[DavidTree]

Excellent point! Thanks.

But the "annihilationists" will over look such truth.

I really do not know what length of time God determines their existence in the Lake of Fire will be - it could be forever.
We can see that for 1,000 Years they are still experiencing the Lake of Fire.

I have and do listen to all sides of scriptural expository sharing, upon which the Scripture Itself has the final say on the matter.
Which we also wait for His Coming or the day we are taken home and the "dim view" that we have now will be made CLEAR.

Moral of the story: God loves 'dim wits' (all of us) but will soon make us into His Image.

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face.
Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
1 Cor 13:11-12

 

[DavidTree]

The first resurrection of the dead is eternal life. The second resurrection of the dead is the second death.


Proof text of two resurrections:


John 5:28-29
English Standard Version
28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.


Resurrection to life eternal:


1 Thessalonians 4:16
English Standard Version
16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.


Resurrection to death eternal:


Revelation 20:12-15
English Standard Version


12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

There will be two deaths or three lives, and all are entirely different.


1st death is physical
2nd death is of the soul (death not in annihilation but death as being forever cut off from God)


In Christianity, to be reborn is a physical but also spiritual transformation. In physical sanctification and spiritual reunification as a child of God.


2 Corinthians 5:17 (ESV)
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.


2 Corinthians 5:18
English Standard Version
18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation;


1st life is physically being born by a woman.


2nd life is to be reborn through the Spirit of God.


3rd life is glorification (resurrection from physical death to be like His glorious body. Or immediate transformation if still physically alive. This happens when Christ returns for the 1st time to snatch away the Church from judgment)


Philippians 3:20-21 ESV
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

You said: "In Christianity, to be reborn is a physical but also spiritual transformation. In physical sanctification and spiritual reunification as a child of God."

??? = You seem to be putting 'the cart before the horse'.

According to our Lord, in the Gospel of John, we are first Born-Again Spiritually.
After that, when HIS Second Coming arrives our bodies are physically resurrected and transformed into Glorious Immortal Bodies.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I really do not know what length of time God determines their existence in the Lake of Fire will be - it could be forever.
We can see that for 1,000 Years they are still experiencing the Lake of Fire.

I take Rev 20:10 literally. "for ever and ever" means never ending to me.

I have and do listen to all sides of scriptural expository sharing, upon which the Scripture Itself has the final say on the matter.

Absolutely.

Which we also wait for His Coming or the day we are taken home and the "dim view" that we have now will be made CLEAR.

Moral of the story: God loves 'dim wits' (all of us) but will soon make us into His Image.

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face.
Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
1 Cor 13:11-12

Amen.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You said: "In Christianity, to be reborn is a physical but also spiritual transformation. In physical sanctification and spiritual reunification as a child of God."

??? = You seem to be putting 'the cart before the horse'.

According to our Lord, in the Gospel of John, we are first Born-Again Spiritually.
After that, when HIS Second Coming arrives our bodies are physically resurrected and transformed into Glorious Immortal Bodies.

It is one act with two changes. I didn't list them in, which happens first. They both happen instantaneously.

 

[DavidTree]

It is one act with two changes. I didn't list them in, which happens first. They both happen instantaneously.

They both happen simultaneously?
Our physical bodies and our spirits are resurrected simultaneously?

No, that cannot be for our bodies die and go to the grave and wait for His Second Coming.

Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him. - Hebrews 9:28

Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure. 1 John 3:1-3

 

[Roughsoul1991]

They both happen simultaneously?
Our physical bodies and our spirits are resurrected simultaneously?

No, that cannot be for our bodies die and go to the grave and wait for His Second Coming.

Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him. - Hebrews 9:28

Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure. 1 John 3:1-3

No, being reborn is both a physical and spiritual change as the Spirit enters then so does the physical sanctification begin.

 

[DavidTree]

No, being reborn is both a physical and spiritual change as the Spirit enters then so does the physical sanctification begin.

Can you please provide the scripture(s) that states "being reborn is both physical and spiritual"
"It is one act with two changes. .....They both happen instantaneously."

Thank you