Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[Pilgrimshope]

What? Chapter verse? Adam was seen as good before he sinned.

I am against the shedding of innocent blood, same way the Father is against shedding of innocent blood. He doesn't accept blood as payment for sin, Saul offered a lot of blood, but it was all rejected:

1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

This is yet another assumption, "foreshadowing", says who? -You need to understand shedding innocent blood is an abomination, He will not shed nor accept innocent blood as payment for sin. Because He cannot sin, nor commit abominations, nor accept abominations, nor hate Himself:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Even if you restrict yourself to the Law of Moses, it is still unlawful: "Thou shalt not kill". But murder has always been unlawful, Cain who was of that wicked one: "was a murderer from the beginning". He didn't became a murderer when the law of Moses showed up, right?

“Even if you restrict yourself to the Law of Moses, it is still unlawful:”

your talking about animals right ?

“and he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD: it is a sin offering.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: and ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭12:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And if his oblation be a sacrifice of peace offering, if he offer it of the herd; whether it be a male or female, he shall offer it without blemish before the LORD. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron's sons the priests shall sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭3:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure you understand the law of Moses brother , have you ever read the law of Moses ? It is everything Moses wrote in his book of the law and many times over from lambs , to goats to
Oxen and bulls , to doves killing and shedding the blood of animals was commanded not suggested or forbidden it was commanded for them to do these things in the law

that was my point your asking what is lawful biblically so you need to learn what the law says to know the answer

you will Find it from exodus all the way to the end of Deuteronomy . And killing animals was commanded by the law it was required.

Of course you are looking at after they had defiled and broken the law when God stopped accepting this sacrifices but my point was your asking what’s lawful and the law is whatever it says this fully required animal sacrifice they also killed every year for Passover, for all thier feasts , ect

but I will Let you figure it out , it’s always good to be able to acknowledge something we didn’t already understand

 

[Runningman]

No, the killing of animals is unlawful, and not the Will of the Father.

The commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." not only prohibits humans from commiting adultery with humans, but it also prohibits bestiality. So, in like manner, the commandment: " Thou shalt not kill." not only prohibits the killing of humans, but it also prohibits the killing of animals. The commandments are not just talking about humans. That is why both bestiality and the killing of animals are unlawful.

-The killing of an ox is equated to murder, both are abominations:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

-And food is not an excuse for murder, because the Father gave us the herbs and fruit for food, not animals:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

-There is also the abomination which the Lord hates: shedding the innocent blood of the animals:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-The Father doesn't want us killing each other:

Isaiah 65:25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Luke 15:23
23And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

 

[DanielLL]

I’m not sure you understand the law of Moses brother , have you ever read the law of Moses ?

Yes, the law of Moses commands blood sacrifice, but the Law of God condemns it. You choose whom ye will serve.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

-This is the True Law:

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

-The witness of God is greater, so the Law of God is greater than the law of Moses, and the blood sacrifices in the law of Moses are unlawful in the Law of God. If your law is the law of man, then you may think it is lawful to you, but if you obey the Law of God, it is unlawful.

 

[DanielLL]

I suppose according to DanieLL those teeth are for eating grass.

Not, just according to me:

Genesis 1:30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food; and it was so.

 

[Magenta]

Not, just according to me:

Genesis 1:30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food; and it was so.

Everything that lives and moves will be your food. Genesis 9:3

Leviticus 11:1-3 And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the people of Israel,
saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth."

Luke 24:41-43 The disciples were overcome with joy and amazement because this seemed too good to be true. Then Jesus asked them, “Do you have anything to eat? They gave him a piece of broiled fish. He took it and ate it while they watched him.

Jesus told Simon, “Take the boat into deep water, and lower your nets to catch some fish." From Luke 5

From Luke 22 The day came during the Festival of Unleavened Bread when the Passover lamb had
to be killed. Jesus sent Peter and John and told them, “Go, prepare the Passover lamb for us to eat.”

Mark 7:19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and
then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

God commanded Saul and the Israelites, “This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'" 1 Sam 15:2-3

 

[Magenta]

Exodus 12:3
Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall
take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

Numbers 9:2-5
Let the children of Israel also keep the Passover at his appointed season…

In the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them - the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the Lord your God has commanded you. From Duet 20

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, the law of Moses commands blood sacrifice, but the Law of God condemns it. You choose whom ye will serve.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

-This is the True Law:

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

-The witness of God is greater, so the Law of God is greater than the law of Moses, and the blood sacrifices in the law of Moses are unlawful in the Law of God. If your law is the law of man, then you may think it is lawful to you, but if you obey the Law of God, it is unlawful.

🙂

Lol first brother i don’t sacrifice animals haha that’s not at all I don’t think what anyone in this thread is saying. You asked the question about what is lawful Moses law isn’t coming from
Moses it’s what God told Moses on the mount over fourty days to command israel. It was not sin for them to follow the law it was before Christ came to fulfill It all it was never of man even then it’s just that it was a pattern for what Christ would do.

It sounds like your saying the law is sin ? It was never sinful to keep the ordinances of the law pertaining to animal sacrifice. It’s what shod commanded Moses for the people until the messiah came.

it has now been fulfilled and we aren’t under the law any longer we have been delivered from it into the gospel

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;

that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems Like your changing your idea the law is what Moses gave israel the gospel is what Jesus preached and did to fulfill the law. We belong to the gospel not the law but it was never wrong and was never not from God unless we should reject that Moses received the law from god on mount Sinai.

it was temporary meant to last until Christ came but was never evil
Or sin . The law isn’t of man , it came from God through angels and then Moses gave it to the people.

it was actually a required part of the process that lead the world to Christ, the animal sacrifices were a foreshadow of Jesus given over to death to atone for our sins

But Even before Moses law came the first man called righteous in the Bible sacrificed his sheep as an offering to God and God respected him

“And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this again if you look at my original response wasn’t part of creation until sin came forth. Animal sacrifice was for atonement from after the first sin. And lasted until Christ came forth and died for our sins.

Does the gospel tell us to sacrifice animals no lol not at all Jesus has been sacrificed there’s no longer need to shed blood.

does the gospel somehow forbid eating animals ? No it doesn’t say anything about it infact Jesus and his disciples partook of the Passover feast which required many lambs to be killed and eaten by the Israelites

When this world ends though and the new comes death won’t be a part of it any longer. But eating meat ( requiring the death of an animal ) isn’t sin unless you yourself think it is

“For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:2-3, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Anyways brother I don’t really see the point in continuing I’ve pretty much said what I personally see about this subject. We all Have to come to a conclusion for our own self and live that way ourselves I don’t kill Anything though to be clear

 

[Magenta]

You have been warned already, if you want "exact words" you have to deny the deity of Christ too.

LOL @ warned. Does this apply to you also, or is it just another example of your hypocritical double standard?

Obviously it is the latter. And besides which, there is no verse that says that if you acknowledge and accept and admit that the Bible does not say that animals are innocent, you have denied the Deity of Christ. There is no connection whatsoever. That is just another example of your inability to arrive at a reasonable conclusion via rational deduction, for you prefer your erroneous premises and fallacious assumptions.

 

[DanielLL]

Just goes to show how you arrive at your ridiculous beliefs.

Isn't death required so he can live, if he feeds off of dead corpses, death is required in order for him to live. He lives off of death, then, and eats the body thereof.

Everything that lives and moves will be your food. Genesis 9:3

Do you live and move?

I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel

Yes, God will destroy the wicked, and punish the guilty sinners. However, He will not destroy the righteous with the unrighteous, nor shed innocent blood, for it is an abomination unto Him.

I know there are verses like that, where abominations are atribuited to His Name, so at this point, you have to choose whom will ye serve. Whether the God who hates hands that shed innocent blood, or the one who sheds innocent blood. Because you can't have both. They are not the same:

Jeremiah 8:8 How can you say, ‘We are wise,And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

Hosea 8:12 I have written for him the great things of My law, But they were considered a strange thing.
13 For the sacrifices of My offerings they sacrifice flesh and eat it, But the Lord does not accept them. Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins. They shall return to Egypt.

Pilgrimshope You see that: "My law". The True Law rejects blood sacrifices and eating flesh, but the law of Moses accepts them. So, you need to choose whom ye will serve, because you can't serve two Masters. They are not the same Law.

 

[Magenta]

I know there are verses like that, where abominations are attributed to His Name, so at this point, you have to choose whom will ye serve. Whether the God who hates hands that shed innocent blood, or the one who sheds innocent blood. Because you can't have both. They are not the same:

I serve the God Who has not only allowed for the killing of animals, but commanded it.

He alone is the One True God.

This choice you present is fallacious. Again. And irrational. Again. And erroneous. Need I say it? Again.

 

[DanielLL]

There is no connection whatsoever.

Yes, there is. You are demanding "exact word for word" quotation of "Animals are innocent". So, if I were to demand of you "exact word for word" quotation of Jesus saying: "I am God, worship me", you would have none, because He never said it in those "exact words". So you would have to deny the deity of Jesus.

I serve the God Who has allowed for the killing of animals.

That is not the problem, the problem is when innocent blood is shed. Because corrupted animals and humans are killed all the time.

 

[Magenta]

Yes, there is. You are demanding "exact word for word" quotation of "Animals are innocent". So, if I were to demand of you "exact word for word" quotation of Jesus saying: "I am God, worship me", you would have none, because He never said it in those "exact words". So you would have to deny the deity of Jesus.

You are confused. I am asking YOU to abide by the standard YOU set for others.

You cannot.

The whole Bible teaches of Jesus and His divinity. Only a fool would deny it.

 

[DanielLL]

You are confused. I am asking YOU to abide by the standard YOU set for others.

Ok, now that I think about it, I guess you could say God killed them, if you really want to. Which means they were guilty, and had no innocent blood in them. What you can't say is that God shed innocent blood. But It goes to show even our mistakes are used for good, since now you have shown your true color.

You are a fool

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[Magenta]

Ok, now that I think about it, I guess you could say God killed them, if you really want to. Which means they were guilty, and had no innocent blood in them. What you can't say is that God shed innocent blood. But It goes to show even our mistakes are used for good, since now you have shown your true color.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

More of your irrational erroneous fallacious thought processes.

God killing them had nothing to do with the innocence or guilt of animals.

If you are going to quote me, at least have the integrity to do so honestly.

I did edit what I said but the IF was there before and after.

 

[Magenta]

If you are going to quote me, at least have the integrity to do so honestly.

now you have shown your true color.

^ Applies to DanieLL

 

[DanielLL]

God killing them had nothing to do with the innocence or guilt of animals.

Yes, it has to do with innocence or guilt, because if the animal is innocent, God cannot shed his innocent blood, but if the animal is guilty, God can Righteously Judge, and reward him with death.

 

[Sipsey]

Yes, it has to do with innocence or guilt, because if the animal is innocent, God cannot shed his innocent blood, but if the animal is guilty, God can Righteously Judge, and reward him with death.

It seems every assertion by you in these threads is from an extremely unorthodox position. Would you mind sharing what church you attend?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Isn't death required so he can live, if he feeds off of dead corpses, death is required in order for him to live. He lives off of death, then, and eats the body thereof.

Do you live and move?

Yes, God will destroy the wicked, and punish the guilty sinners. However, He will not destroy the righteous with the unrighteous, nor shed innocent blood, for it is an abomination unto Him.

I know there are verses like that, where abominations are atribuited to His Name, so at this point, you have to choose whom will ye serve. Whether the God who hates hands that shed innocent blood, or the one who sheds innocent blood. Because you can't have both. They are not the same:

Jeremiah 8:8 How can you say, ‘We are wise,And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

Hosea 8:12 I have written for him the great things of My law, But they were considered a strange thing.
13 For the sacrifices of My offerings they sacrifice flesh and eat it, But the Lord does not accept them. Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins. They shall return to Egypt.

Pilgrimshope You see that: "My law". The True Law rejects blood sacrifices and eating flesh, but the law of Moses accepts them. So, you need to choose whom ye will serve, because you can't serve two Masters. They are not the same Law.

I have written for him the great things of My law, But they were considered a strange thing.

13 For the sacrifices of My offerings they sacrifice flesh and eat it, But the Lord does not accept them. Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins. They shall return to Egypt.”

you are leaving out a lot like the reason he didn’t accept them

“Set the trumpet to thy mouth. He shall come as an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law.

Israel hath cast off the thing that is good: the enemy shall pursue him. They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.”
‭‭Hosea‬ ‭8:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you know what he’s saying ? After he established Israel’s law which came from him and was mediated by Moses he said this

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your missing the reason they became cursed it was. Cause they started offering lame and blind animals rather then what was commanded

“And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts. But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of the LORD is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his meat, is contemptible.

Ye said also, Behold, what a weariness is it! and ye have snuffed at it, saith the LORD of hosts; and ye brought that which was torn, and the lame, and the sick; thus ye brought an offering: should I accept this of your hand? saith the LORD. But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing: for I am a great King, saith the LORD of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭1:8, 12-14‬ ‭

it was thier wickedness and failure to obey that caused him To reject thier sacrifices commanded by the law. It was commanded tbey offer spotless and clean animals young and either male or female depending on the ordinance , they started offering the sick and lame and blind animals they didn’t want anyways

“Who is there even among you that would shut the doors for nought? neither do ye kindle fire on mine altar for nought. I have no pleasure in you, saith the LORD of hosts, neither will I accept an offering at your hand.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭1:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It was them who were offering the sacrifices he had rejected

“To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭6:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They were commanded to offer the best of those flocks not the leftovers and were also commanded that if they strayed from the commandments morally he would no longer accept their offerings

“then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭12:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They of course chose the curse he put before they and defiled thier sacrficial system it’s why he stopped accepting them even before Christ came

there’s really no argument that the law didn’t come from God that’s way off. It’s just that it was a preparation for the gospel to lead all the world to Christ and his sacrifice

but anyways it seems like you already have it figured out so I don’t see the point in continuing and becoming part of the arguing over such a basic thing

my response was based on you asking “ was it lawful “ and yes the law commands it . The gospel is a different story but it’s not “the law” the law came through Moses the gospel through Christ

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We’ve gone from flesh service to spiritual service

 

[DanielLL]

Would you mind sharing what church you attend?

Yes, My Church is the Body of Christ, and our Teacher is Messiah.

Pilgrimshope
He is against all blood sacrifices. He hates hands that shed any innocent blood of any creature, lame or blind:

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

-The "corrupted" blood sacrifices, of corrupted animals, are also rejected, because "Thou shalt not kill". It is against the Law of God:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

 

[Sipsey]

Yes, My Church is the Body of Christ, and our Teacher is Messiah.

Pilgrimshope
He is against all blood sacrifices. He hates hands that shed any innocent blood of any creature, lame or blind:

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

-The "corrupted" blood sacrifices, of corrupted animals, are also rejected, because "Thou shalt not kill". It is against the Law of God:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

All I see from you is disjointed verses void of context.