Transfiguration is the key

[Pilgrimshope]

Remember, 'for the joy set before Him'

He wept for us, what we will endure
There is no fear in Love

When I think of my own departure, it is the ones I leave behind, and their suffering, that I mourn

yes on some levels I see him struggling with his humanity also.

“But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.

Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:1-2, 24, 36-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think at least how I read that Jesus was facing a great test upon which all humanity depended for him to overcome and be victorious. Remember he became one of us and faced temptations and trials just as we do the difference is he never fell to temptation but always overcame even when it was his own suffering and death ahead

it makes him a hero knowing he could have turned back at any time but his love for man pressed him forward knowing it would bring great suffering and pain agony really like we hopefully never know ourselves

but I think I understand what your saying also sometimes he was weeping for us because we didn’t recognize what was happening but we can see also his humanity if we look closely

“saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow, and said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:42-46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he faces it as a man to save man from death a hero indeed

 

[posthuman]

he faces it as a man to save man from death a hero indeed

the word 'hero' from the Greek, meaning, per their mythology, a demigod
one whose parents are one god and another, human - one who is both God and Man

 

[Pilgrimshope]

the word 'hero' from the Greek, meaning, per their mythology, a demigod
one whose parents are one god and another, human - one who is both God and Man

I didn’t know that thanks brother I’m speaking alot Of times from ignorance of things like that. But am glad to know.

jesus is my hero meaning my only Lord and savior , deliverer and redeemer , Shepherd and good teacher , my Lord and my God who saw me lost without hope and instead of letting it happen he dove into my mess and took all the suffering I deserved so I could receive the glory he deserves forever and share it with others !!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This confirms why the Father sent Moses and Elijah at that time = Luke ch22

And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.
And being in agony, He prayed more earnestly.
Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

We cannot fathom the depth of His agony, knowing what HE had to endure for vile sinners like myself.

“This confirms why the Father sent Moses and Elijah at that time”

“These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: ( Elijah )

and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues,( Moses in Egypt ) as often as they will.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:4, 6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my Lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:11, 13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elijah: who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:30-31‬ ‭


do you think on some level that Moses represents the law , and Elijah represents the prophets of God who both witness also of christs suffering and death and resurrection also his ascention later into the heavens ?

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-47‬ ‭

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-24‬ ‭

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭

it seems like Moses and the prophets were always witnessing of Christ and though it was those two
Men there on another level they represent the law and prophets which both witness of the gospel of Jesus Christ

just wondering your take on that

 

[DavidTree]

“This confirms why the Father sent Moses and Elijah at that time”

“These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: ( Elijah )

and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues,( Moses in Egypt ) as often as they will.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:4, 6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my Lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:11, 13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elijah: who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:30-31‬ ‭


do you think on some level that Moses represents the law , and Elijah represents the prophets of God who both witness also of christs suffering and death and resurrection also his ascention later into the heavens ?

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-47‬ ‭

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-24‬ ‭

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭

it seems like Moses and the prophets were always witnessing of Christ and though it was those two
Men there on another level they represent the law and prophets which both witness of the gospel of Jesus Christ

just wondering your take on that

I will get back to you on this for there is a lot to say about these things.
However - use the discussion herein on how this all started concerning the interpretation of : "and they spoke to Jesus of His exodus".
Carefully review/digest posts #53 and #60

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I will get back to you on this for there is a lot to say about these things.
However - use the discussion herein on how this all started concerning the interpretation of : "and they spoke to Jesus of His exodus".
Carefully review/digest posts #53 and #60

Will do dear brother talk soon If the lord is willing . Until then May the lord shine to all who are seeking him in truth and the light of his word

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Sorry,Im back, and had to share something God put in my heart.God is so amazing!Hes great! All my praises are never enough.Thank you God for smiting me with your rod for correction.Twice you did.Such a honorable, loving,God.Full of Glory and Love God.You have given me the keys you gave Peter.The staff of Moses and Aaon.And with it, your signet ring.Also, you give the blanket of Elijah.
Why God?! Why are you doing this to me?! I'm nothing! . My own family says I'm nothing! .I'm low to the dirt! .I'm dirt! .I'm the worst of the worst God.I'm a sinner God.Why do you give me this honor?! I don't deserve your Glory,father God.Why do you let me part take in these things?!
Your killing me God, with your everlasting love! .This is too much for a mere mortal like me.A poor man.yet you give me riches fit for a king!.Your riches Lord!

Why did you say, "Paul,take my scepter,like Moses and Aaron before you.I must go work the fields.And watch over my Kingdom while I'm gone.If my servants are disobedient.Smite them with it. For it is also my rod.
When the harvest is ready,I'll come back to get you, and show you what else it can do. Because I AM, and you are my Cupbearer. My loving servant, Paul.I love you."
He is a working God! tender, and loving!

My Lord,and my God.I can't stand.My knees buckle.Hold out your hand so I can walk with you.And on the waters also.
Take me on eagles wings, over the tree tops, and over them higher Lord.So I can shout out,Glory to the king of Kings! Praise and honor to him! The earth is his footstool!
I want the dead to hear your name Lord .Jesus,Jesus,Jesus! and once more,your new name. Jerusalem,Jerusalem,Jerusalem!

You have given me so much, and the gifts just keep coming.Why is a King giving his lowly subject tributes? Shouldn't it be the other way around?! The King of Kings none the less! A heavenly King coming down to the earth and giving tributes to the lowest of lifeform.
My creator is doing this! WHY?!

A thousand life times couldn't be enough for all that you give.So you bless me with eternal life so you can keep on giving?!

Wow.I can't even fathom this.No wonder God hid Moses with his hand as he passed by.He couldn't either.

God is the greatest!The best!Love is his name!

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

I'll share what God has put in my heart in a bit.Just had to let that out.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Everywhere in scripture I see that he was there.In the mist of everything.And today God woke me up.Put his Words in my heart.And it hit me like a stone.
Moses saw God as he passed by!.



(Can you believe that Moses heard the name of the Lord Jesus?.
Here he is talking of the Passover,then proclaiming of the name of the Lord,who will be gracious, and will shew mercy.
That is referring to the calling of repentance like John did. "Repent ye:for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
And that hand is Jesus.The right hand.

Exodus 33:18-19
And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.



Moses couldn't see his face and live because he is under the old covenant.

Exodus 33:20
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.



The place by the Lord is on his right side,where he shall stand upon the rock.Again, the rock is symbolic of Jesus.That is where he is to bare witness the coming of the Lord.We bare witness to this too,and proclaim Jesus is Lord.

Exodus 33:21
And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:


This part is so amazing.The scripture themselves are filled with things we often overlook.Just one little innocent verse bares fruit.
When he passes by,that is the Passover.Then God places Moses in the cleft of the rock.A cleft is a split.That Rock is Jesus.The Left of the rock is symbolic of the Old Covenant.And the right of the rock is the New Covenant.
Wowwww! God is amazing!

Jesus! He was there! And his Two Witnesses of all the earth also were there.Spirit, water,and the blood.Moses knows.He witnessed it.
Jesus is the Word! The sword of the Spirit!
He is everything he says he is.And Yes, he said " I AM"

Ezekiel 36: 26-27
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Do you have a stone heart?Then you fall to the wages of sin! If you follow his words and keep his commandments,He will take away your stony heart and give you a new one of flesh.And he will put his spirit in you.
On the cross he does it!
And because he has given you the spirit,and you hold the water, and the blood in your heart.
You must also testify and say,"it is truth" From the roof tops! .On eagles wings! Prepare,makeway.The kingdom of God is at hand!.

When he places the hand between himself and Moses.That right hand is Jesus.He is the curtain vile.When he died and said "it is finished" the vail ripped. The unvailing of his last witness is, the revelation of Jesus Christ!!!

Moses didn't see his face.The new covenant has yet to take place.

Ezekiel 33:22-23
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.


John 14:6-9
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.Philip saith unto him, LORD, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

 

[Blain]

This is the true revealing of the transfiguration,and why they were witnessed by Peter,james,and John.

Everything is explained right here in 1 John 5:7-8

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit(Word of God) , and the water(old covenant), and the blood(new covenant): and these three agree in one.

Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Matthew 18:20 is not only referring to the three that bare witness on the earth(OT&Spirit, or, NT&Spirit, Or a combination of all three.It is also referring to you, whenever you are reading his Word with the Holy Spirit.He is with you in the mist.Just like he was How Peter,james,and John witnessed the transfiguration and later brought the good news,so you to must witness,and bare witness.

This is where many get this wrong and think that Moses, Elijah are the Two Witnesses of Revelation.Or even someone like Enoch for some odd reason.
They'll say that Moses represents the Law, and Elijah the prophets.It's true that Moses represents the Law.But Elijah is there to represent the Spirit, and Jesus is the blood!

So there is the Spirit, the water, and the blood that bare witness of the earth at the transfiguration of Jesus! Peter, james and John are there to bare witness of this event.

Even the one's that bare record in heaven were at the transfiguration.The Father,the Word, the Holy Ghost.And those three are one.

Mark 9:7
And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.(every thing points to Jesus.Including,the spirit, the ,water,and the blood.)

The Two Witnesses revealed.They are the testimony of Jesus.And not only do Peter, james, and John witness this event.They must bare witness to it to the people.
This is also symbolic of the 144,000.They are a remnant and God uses them as his witnesses.I posted scripture in the recent 144,000 relating to this if anyone is interested.

Remember Jesus tells them not to reveal what happen until he is risen from the dead(he came by water,and the blood.)From that time on, starting from the 12 Apostles/First fruits,they gave the testimony of The Two Witnesses(old covenant, new covenant).And we must all shout from the roof tops the good news.
In Revelation 14,the 144,000 sing a new song that only they know.That is the testimony from Genesis to Revelation.

1 Peter 18-22
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

I am interested in the 144,000 but perhaps not for the best reasons. I was talking to a friend of mine who goes to this church that he has been promising me for months he would take me to he has still yet to but he and I were talking about bible prophecy I was explaining to him about some of the visions i have had pertaining to me seeing myself walking in the spirit and power of God infused greatly with the holy spirit and how it has been on my heart a lot lately almost poking at it I told him about my experience when I encountered father very early on in my faith and he imprinted the word mine on my forehead which to this day I always say I bear his mark and point to my forehead.

I explained to him all I have witnessed and seen involving the end times which is a lot mind you and he asked me a bunch of questions like am I a jew which i thought was odd and i asnwered yes partly I am porteguese jewish descent my mcestors escaped the catholic church and traveled from there to itally then to america and then he said that I am likely a remnant of the 144,000.

Now to be honest I have not done that much study on them in particular aside from the fact that they are witnesses of God that they are of jewish descent and that they come from scattered areas, if i was one of them would I even know it and if I was one of them not saying i am what can I expect in my near future?

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Did you fall asleep like I had?God's been putting him on my mind lately and moving me.Hope he moves you to, and everyone here.On the 144,000 in Revelation,you can find hints from his past remnant.He's given me three days of visions once but I forgot nearly all of it.he can do that.Give, and take away.He can take away what he has given you,if you refuse to stand.I worry too about missing his gathering of the saints.
Reading his word and prayers draws you close to him and when you start finding hidden truths,you draw closer and closer.The Apostles didn't have full knowledge of the scripture.Jesus unlocked their minds so they can have understanding ,and they grew in his words and through prayer.

 

[Blain]

Sorry,Im back, and had to share something God put in my heart.God is so amazing!Hes great! All my praises are never enough.Thank you God for smiting me with your rod for correction.Twice you did.Such a honorable, loving,God.Full of Glory and Love God.You have given me the keys you gave Peter.The staff of Moses and Aaon.And with it, your signet ring.Also, you give the blanket of Elijah.
Why God?! Why are you doing this to me?! I'm nothing! . My own family says I'm nothing! .I'm low to the dirt! .I'm dirt! .I'm the worst of the worst God.I'm a sinner God.Why do you give me this honor?! I don't deserve your Glory,father God.Why do you let me part take in these things?!
Your killing me God, with your everlasting love! .This is too much for a mere mortal like me.A poor man.yet you give me riches fit for a king!.Your riches Lord!

Why did you say, "Paul,take my scepter,like Moses and Aaron before you.I must go work the fields.And watch over my Kingdom while I'm gone.If my servants are disobedient.Smite them with it. For it is also my rod.
When the harvest is ready,I'll come back to get you, and show you what else it can do. Because I AM, and you are my Cupbearer. My loving servant, Paul.I love you."
He is a working God! tender, and loving!

My Lord,and my God.I can't stand.My knees buckle.Hold out your hand so I can walk with you.And on the waters also.
Take me on eagles wings, over the tree tops, and over them higher Lord.So I can shout out,Glory to the king of Kings! Praise and honor to him! The earth is his footstool!
I want the dead to hear your name Lord .Jesus,Jesus,Jesus! and once more,your new name. Jerusalem,Jerusalem,Jerusalem!

You have given me so much, and the gifts just keep coming.Why is a King giving his lowly subject tributes? Shouldn't it be the other way around?! The King of Kings none the less! A heavenly King coming down to the earth and giving tributes to the lowest of lifeform.
My creator is doing this! WHY?!

A thousand life times couldn't be enough for all that you give.So you bless me with eternal life so you can keep on giving?!

Wow.I can't even fathom this.No wonder God hid Moses with his hand as he passed by.He couldn't either.

God is the greatest!The best!Love is his name!

I feel a kindred spirit with you my friend

 

[Blain]

Did you fall asleep like I had?God's been putting him on my mind lately and moving me.Hope he moves you to, and everyone here.On the 144,000 in Revelation,you can find hints from his past remnant.He's given me three days of visions once but I forgot nearly all of it.he can do that.Give, and take away.He can take away what he has given you,if you refuse to stand.I worry too about missing his gathering of the saints.
Reading his word and prayers draws you close to him and when you start finding hidden truths,you draw closer and closer.The Apostles didn't have full knowledge of the scripture.Jesus unlocked their minds so they can have understanding ,and they grew in his words and through prayer.

I hope he moves me too I have been waiting for a good while now itching for his calling waiting for the command to action knwoing a calling is waiting but to be still and wait for the command it isn't easy and there are times when in the waiting I can find moments of patience and I need another one of these moments. But it was in one of these moments that I had recieved that vision

He has placed on me a lot of burdens trials and tribulations as if life is a bully that just loves to show me how unfair it can be I have been througgh hell all my life and yet still go through it sometimes I ask him when is it going to be my turn for things to turn out right and even got a little angry at him the other day. But still I wait on the Lord I wait on his call just waiting for him to call my name eager to be in the field eager to offer my services eager to serve if in fact I was one of these 144,000 it would certainly work out for me but if not I would offer him my service some other way.

I just wish he would be more open with me about my purpose and what he intends to do

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

I hope he moves me too I have been waiting for a good while now itching for his calling waiting for the command to action knwoing a calling is waiting but to be still and wait for the command it isn't easy and there are times when in the waiting I can find moments of patience and I need another one of these moments. But it was in one of these moments that I had recieved that vision

He has placed on me a lot of burdens trials and tribulations as if life is a bully that just loves to show me how unfair it can be I have been througgh hell all my life and yet still go through it sometimes I ask him when is it going to be my turn for things to turn out right and even got a little angry at him the other day. But still I wait on the Lord I wait on his call just waiting for him to call my name eager to be in the field eager to offer my services eager to serve if in fact I was one of these 144,000 it would certainly work out for me but if not I would offer him my service some other way.

I just wish he would be more open with me about my purpose and what he intends to do

I feel you.My life was a crazy one too.There were times were I'd be mad at God and fall deeper in my sins.And the guilt would kill me.

Just awhile ago I was thinking "if I look outside,wheres God? It has to do with the rain,the thunder and the wind.Theres scripture on it somewhere.So I'm not really sure yet.

But,if God were to take me into the heavens overlooking the Earth,Moon,and Sun.I'll see the Spirit, the water, and the blood.
The earth is the Spirit.Earth means dirt. The Spirit of God came down and dwelt with man.Heaven on earth.
And the moon is the water.And like glory of the great redeemer,the fading light shines on his face.
The coming of the blood brings life on all of the earth.nothing grows in the darknesses.

The firmament I don't know.Could be where the light and the darkness meet on the earth.Or space itself.Or Both.( On earth as it is in heaven.)And verses in scripture says before the foundation of the earth,I knew you.Also Abrahams seed will be as countless as the stars.And that the stars were formed before the earth.
Actually theres two verses about that.Which is confusing.God is like that.wants you to search these things out.

 

[Blain]

I feel you.My life was a crazy one too.There were times were I'd be mad at God and fall deeper in my sins.And the guilt would kill me.

Just awhile ago I was thinking "if I look outside,wheres God? It has to do with the rain,the thunder and the wind.Theres scripture on it somewhere.So I'm not really sure yet.

But,if God were to take me into the heavens overlooking the Earth,Moon,and Sun.I'll see the Spirit, the water, and the blood.
The earth is the Spirit.Earth means dirt. The Spirit of God came down and dwelt with man.Heaven on earth.
And the moon is the water.And like glory of the great redeemer,the fading light shines on his face.
The coming of the blood brings life on all of the earth.nothing grows in the darknesses.

The firmament I don't know.Could be where the light and the darkness meet on the earth.Or space itself.Or Both.( On earth as it is in heaven.)And verses in scripture says before the foundation of the earth,I knew you.Also Abrahams seed will be as countless as the stars.And that the stars were formed before the earth.
Actually theres two verses about that.Which is confusing.God is like that.wants you to search these things out.

You know I can't remember if there was scripture on it or not but when the wind stirs or when there is thunder I am reminded of him. but yeah at times we all get in that state where we get upset at him and throw a tanttrum mine happened in the shower and i must have upset him because i went a little to far in my words to him and the shampoo bottle flew across the shower so... yeah i apologized. but still i am always honest with him he knows my heart and so i always speak my mind with him unless of course it is just to hateful i could never do that, now as far as the 144,000 go there isn't a lot on them they seem to be a new breed of believers as there doesn't seem to be anything like them beforehand in scripture certainly not in that number.

And then why 144 why that number in particular what significance does that number hold exactly, are they lieteral jews or spiritual like us believers or a combination of both? does the rapture happen before or after or have anything to do with it at all? these are things I need to search answers for

 

[Runningman]

Everything is explained right here in 1 John 5:7-8

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit(Word of God) , and the water(old covenant), and the blood(new covenant): and these three agree in one.

This is interesting because it appears to be comparing God in Heaven to things on Earth. Also, it is applying personification to non-living inanimate materials like water and blood, saying they can bear witness of something. Normally, water and blood can't bear witness of anything, neither can covenants or written words, because they aren't conscious beings.

This leads me to seek a metaphorical interpretation where the Spirit, water, and blood are representative of God and not the written word of God or the covenants. Just something to consider.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

You know I can't remember if there was scripture on it or not but when the wind stirs or when there is thunder I am reminded of him. but yeah at times we all get in that state where we get upset at him and throw a tanttrum mine happened in the shower and i must have upset him because i went a little to far in my words to him and the shampoo bottle flew across the shower so... yeah i apologized. but still i am always honest with him he knows my heart and so i always speak my mind with him unless of course it is just to hateful i could never do that, now as far as the 144,000 go there isn't a lot on them they seem to be a new breed of believers as there doesn't seem to be anything like them beforehand in scripture certainly not in that number.

And then why 144 why that number in particular what significance does that number hold exactly, are they lieteral jews or spiritual like us believers or a combination of both? does the rapture happen before or after or have anything to do with it at all? these are things I need to search answers for

When looking out the window thinking about where God is.He made something happen.it was a small gesture.Enough to let me know hes there.I don't want to say what it is though.
When I was first saved God revealed something to me and I forgot it.It has to do with the 153 fish caught when Jesus tells his disciples to throw their net on the right side of the boat. And another number,or two in the NT.I forget. The numbers added up to 144.
The 144,000 is nothing new.Study the Ark of the covenant.The build of it.You can also study the altar of burnt offerings.
If the remnant/144,000 carry the Ark of the covenant.They bring the good news as first fruits.Later we all carry it.
All the priceless heavenly gifts he has given me is true.

I believe they are spiritual Israelites under the new covenant and the 144,000 is a combination of Both the original Israelites and those grafted in.Grafted in or not,I'm a Levite.Jesus told me.

 

[Blain]

When looking out the window thinking about where God is.He made something happen.it was a small gesture.Enough to let me know hes there.I don't want to say what it is though.
When I was first saved God revealed something to me and I forgot it.It has to do with the 153 fish caught when Jesus tells his disciples to throw their net on the right side of the boat. And another number,or two in the NT.I forget. The numbers added up to 144.
The 144,000 is nothing new.Study the Ark of the covenant.The build of it.You can also study the altar of burnt offerings.
If the remnant/144,000 carry the Ark of the covenant.They bring the good news as first fruits.Later we all carry it.
All the priceless heavenly gifts he has given me is true.

I believe they are spiritual Israelites under the new covenant and the 144,000 is a combination of Both the original Israelites and those grafted in.Grafted in or not,I'm a Levite.Jesus told me.

Often times I don't need to look for him I just need to look for his presence I find it in different ways depending on my mood sometimes I connect to him better in the shower sometimes on a walk other times just laying in bed being still and knowing him just talking sometimes i just can't find him at all until later hide and seek is his favorite game.

I will have to do some studies on that number and as far as who is grafted in or not scripture mentions 12 tribes it doesn't mention spiritually being grafted in but who know does the scriptures not say

Galatians 3:28-29

King James Version

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

This is interesting because it appears to be comparing God in Heaven to things on Earth. Also, it is applying personification to non-living inanimate materials like water and blood, saying they can bear witness of something. Normally, water and blood can't bear witness of anything, neither can covenants or written words, because they aren't conscious beings.

This leads me to seek a metaphorical interpretation where the Spirit, water, and blood are representative of God and not the written word of God or the covenants. Just something to consider.

I see those that witness on the earth and bare record in heaven as the same.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Don't scientist say that the earth is slowly moving away from the sun?The farther away it goes the colder the hearts of men are?! How perfect is God.