Religion vs. Sonship
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I don't really see it like that. The Bible is all about how individuals and the human race as a whole relate to God. I don't see a problem with being like mist and having a short time on Earth: that's God's will too. Everything always comes back to God's will even when speaking about ourselves and our plans.
You made a reference to James 4:14, but what does the very next verse say? It's about the will of people giving deference to the will of God:
James 4:14-15
14Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
You made a reference to James 4:14, but what does the very next verse say? It's about the will of people giving deference to the will of God:
James 4:14-15
14Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
This is the definition of false religion. James gives us the definition of true religion: "Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world."
True religion is good. If someone tells me I have a religious spirit I say "thank you."
True religion is good. If someone tells me I have a religious spirit I say "thank you."
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Absolutely saint we are priest called to perform the dutys of the priest. As i stated in other threads we become the mediators between man and Christ as jesus is the only mediator between us and God.
We pray and display our faith towards unbelivers in hopes to be fruitful to our Lord but all glory be to God because without Jesus we can do nothing.
We pray and display our faith towards unbelivers in hopes to be fruitful to our Lord but all glory be to God because without Jesus we can do nothing.
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I think it's more than that. If you study what he said closely it's clear he means we can become what Christ was by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Humans will never be revealed as the "perfect will of God" while in these bodies. Jesus was the only perfect one.
Men don't become the "Word made flesh" nor the "representation of the Father on earth." Jesus is the only true representation of the Father on earth.
"Sonship, knowing that you are a son of God, is relational: God is your Father, therefore you are led by His Spirit to do anything. In Christ, saints become the Word made flesh; living vessels of Hope by the power of the Holy Spirit and, once mature, are revealed as proof of the good, acceptable and perfect will of God. By this, men become the light of the world as the representation of the Father in the earth."
Hand-in-hand with this doctrine is the teaching that the miracles Christ performed on earth were done as a man, not as God. This means anything He did, we also as humans can do by the same power of the Spirit. Humans will never be revealed as the "perfect will of God" while in these bodies. Jesus was the only perfect one.
Men don't become the "Word made flesh" nor the "representation of the Father on earth." Jesus is the only true representation of the Father on earth.
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I could be wrong, but I thought he was referring to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as being the influence that uses us as a channel for declaring God's word. If the OP feels that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit has made us Gods, then I agree, that would certainly be a wrong assumption, and a dangerous one. We are representatives and ambassadors, not direct representations of the Lord.
This is the definition of false religion. James gives us the definition of true religion: "Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world."
True religion is good. If someone tells me I have a religious spirit I say "thank you."
True religion is good. If someone tells me I have a religious spirit I say "thank you."
Well, to be precise, James 1:27 doesn't say that other forms of religion are false. It just defines what "pure religion" is.
James 1:27
27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
amen everything God has ever created is by his word spoken into what didn’t exist before.
his word ( the gospel specifically ) in our heart of faith is what creates us in his image. And how he works in us to change our Will and actions
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Philippians 2:13 KJV
he does this because we believe the gospel the word of God which stands forever and is unchanging
“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
2 Corinthians 4:6 KJV
“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
For All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:23-25 KJV
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Gods word is creative wherever it exists especially inside a heart that believes. Ultimately receiving the gospel is going to change the believer from inside out into the image of Gods son.
his word ( the gospel specifically ) in our heart of faith is what creates us in his image. And how he works in us to change our Will and actions
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Philippians 2:13 KJV
he does this because we believe the gospel the word of God which stands forever and is unchanging
“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
2 Corinthians 4:6 KJV
“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
For All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:23-25 KJV
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Gods word is creative wherever it exists especially inside a heart that believes. Ultimately receiving the gospel is going to change the believer from inside out into the image of Gods son.
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There are only two sons in the earth: Adam and Christ. Both are corporate, meaning composed of many members. No one alone represents Adam. And no one alone represents Christ, together we are Christ: His body is in heaven and on earth. Also, there is one head: Christ Jesus. We have no earthly head.
The Lord said to His disciples: “As the Father has sent me, so I am sending you.” And He was sent to “Show us the Father”. Now, corporately, we are sent to the same end: to show the Father. And not just to the lost but also to the angels. In short: I am explaining Ephesians 3:8-13
8To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; 10to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. 13Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
Here, fellowship is not a potluck gathering but a legal position of oneness with Christ and the Father. Or, rather, the answer to the Lord’s prayer:
20“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
24“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
The Lord said to His disciples: “As the Father has sent me, so I am sending you.” And He was sent to “Show us the Father”. Now, corporately, we are sent to the same end: to show the Father. And not just to the lost but also to the angels. In short: I am explaining Ephesians 3:8-13
8To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; 10to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. 13Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
Here, fellowship is not a potluck gathering but a legal position of oneness with Christ and the Father. Or, rather, the answer to the Lord’s prayer:
20“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
24“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
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“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”
John 14:20-21 KJV
“For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,”
Hebrews 2:10-11 KJV
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”
John 14:20-21 KJV
“For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,”
Hebrews 2:10-11 KJV
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TLDR: "religion bad".
I have no idea where this desire in people to redefine "religion" and set themselves and their religion, above "religion", came from. Also, there would be no sonship without being purchased by the blood of Jesus; our relationship is very much based on transaction, our repentance even likened to purchasing refined gold, white garments and eye salve. It's even called the new "covenant". How many times has God said "Do X and I will do Y". He does this to hold us to account, not the other way around. We literally have no way of holding him to account if we wanted to. Expecting God to do something he said he would do isn't trying to hold him to account; that's making account of him/accounting for what he will do- it's having faith.
I have no idea where this desire in people to redefine "religion" and set themselves and their religion, above "religion", came from. Also, there would be no sonship without being purchased by the blood of Jesus; our relationship is very much based on transaction, our repentance even likened to purchasing refined gold, white garments and eye salve. It's even called the new "covenant". How many times has God said "Do X and I will do Y". He does this to hold us to account, not the other way around. We literally have no way of holding him to account if we wanted to. Expecting God to do something he said he would do isn't trying to hold him to account; that's making account of him/accounting for what he will do- it's having faith.
C
Well, he'll have to explain himself, you can't always tell what the motivation is behind a comment.
Yes, the Holy Spirit can use us to perform manifestations of His power. None of the apostles and deacons were perfect in themselves, by their own deeds, but He still used them as channels of His power. I fear sometimes though, we feel that He is on tap, to turn on or off as we see fit, or rather that's the impression I got when attending some assemblies. That's not so, and pure arrogance.
Yes, the Holy Spirit can use us to perform manifestations of His power. None of the apostles and deacons were perfect in themselves, by their own deeds, but He still used them as channels of His power. I fear sometimes though, we feel that He is on tap, to turn on or off as we see fit, or rather that's the impression I got when attending some assemblies. That's not so, and pure arrogance.
Religion produces self righteousness , and judging one another by works of said religion .
receiving the gospel makes us sons and produces faithful people , merciful and non judgemental of others
“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
Luke 6:35-38 KJV
receiving the gospel makes us sons and produces faithful people , merciful and non judgemental of others
“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
Luke 6:35-38 KJV
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