THE TRINITY, THE MYSTERY UNVEILLED.
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I think we should just perceive his PRESENCE in difference realms - "on earth AS IT IS in heaven." God is in heaven, Jesus was his PRESENCE on earth in the Holy Land, while the Holy Spirit is His presence all over the world. There's no "dispensations" of historic periods, there's only wider and wider reach of God's grace to mankind since Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden.
There are stages you get to as a Christian in the knowledge of God and people would think you are crazy. Yes, this also happened to Our Lord Jesus. The Bible said the things of God are foolishness to the world because they can not comprehend them.
When you get a message from the Bible and it seems strange, do well to confirm and see if there is any truth in it. That's exactly why Jesus was killed. All He was telling them was the truth from the scriptures but they never believed Him because they thought He was an unimportant carpenter's son.
The only reason the people who are of other religions don't believe in Christianity is that they won't care to find out about Christianity.
Please explain to me the book of Genesis 2:7 and reconcile it with John 1:4. And compare it with John 14:7. See if you will be sincere enough to differentiate between God the Father and Jesus our Lord Jesus Christ
I'm so sorry if I have sounded rude to you. We are brothers in Christ. I am only trying to make you understand that it's better to verify a matter before disputing it. I'm so sorry if I must have made my points wrongly
Yes, there are and I have written a volume of it in the article behind. Just stroll back and read the article I wrote on Trinity. It is a long one because it contains lots of explanations.
Everything concerning the subject Trinity is answered there. It's a book but find time and go through it and I think you will not be disappointed.
The Lord Jesus is NOT the "waters" that the Holy Spirit "moved upon" in Gen 1v2, not matter how you try and make it so!
I think my post above was misunderstood. I asked if the OP subscribed to modalism or oneness pentecostalism.
The Holy Spirit does a great job of explaning things to me.
Please post a scripture or two that you see directly connects Christ as being "the waters" in Genesis ch1
Thank You
Psalms 29 verse 3
‘The voice of the Lord is upon many waters; the Lord of glory thunders; the Lord is upon many [great] waters’.
The only reason His voice was upon the waters is because the waters had the word He needed to use to effect the changes He desired. For God to use the word, He needed a voice to speak the word. Now for God’s voice to be upon the waters it means, the word He needed to speak is in the great waters. The Lord spoke the word [Jesus] and changes were made to the void form of the earth. The voice that spoke the word is upon the waters which the Spirit of God was brooding upon. ‘…the Lord is upon many [great] waters.’
2PETER 3 VERSE 5
‘ For they willingly forget [the fact] that the heavens existed long ago by the word of God, and the earth was formed out of water and by water.’ [AMPLIFIED VERSION]
The Bible book of Apostle Peter made us to understand that it was out of waters and by the means of waters our world was formed and Apostle John in the book of John 1 also made us to understand that it was by the means of the word of God everything was formed. If we are to relate the account of Peter together with that of John, considering the fact that it is very impossible for the living Bible to contradict itself, we all should know that the Waters there signifies the word of God.
In the beginning, He was there represented as the Waters which was used to create the world. This same word of God is Jesus Christ our Lord who was calling on the people to come and drink of Him. Drinking of Him is the same as being filled by the true word of God.
This is another one just to prove to you that the Waters signifies the word of God. EPHESIANS 5 VERSE 26.
‘ So that He might sanctify the church, having cleansed her by washing of water with the word, ‘
Jesus will sanctify the church by the washing of water with the word. The church is to be sanctified by the word [Jesus] but Apostle Paul who has great understanding called the word sanctification, the washing of water because he knew the mystery of Jesus [the word] being the Waters.
JOHN7; 37 AND REVELATION 1; 17
Jesus crying out to the people to come and drink of Him is a way of letting us know He is the Waters. He also told the Samaritan woman of water that will make her not to taste again if she could drink out of it. One thing we don't know was that Jesus gave the Samaritan woman a taste of that water before He left. That water is the WORD. Jesus gave her the word of life and she invited more people.
drink of Me is the same as have the word of life. these are Spiritual things.
Great scriptures - thank you.
So if Jesus was the 'waters' in Genesis chapter 1, then who is the 'earth' in Genesis ch1?
What part of the trinity is the 'earth', since the waters evidently are?
I do not think I should reply to that. the earth was created but is the Waters created there? the deep things of God are only for mature Christians and those who are willing to know about God.
it is not Pentecostalism. Oneness has Pentecostals who hold to this doctrine Mainly UPC, and Apostolic, there are groups and denominations that do not hold to the pentacostel experience but are very much Modalistic Modalism and Sabellianism. these are errors and unbiblical.
I am a pentacostel and belief the Trinity is well seen in the word of God. However the word Trinity is not in the Bible, it is a theological Concept I believe is Biblical. Furthermore, when we approach the Eternal Godhead we must do so with Humility and reverence because we are incapable of knowing fully all there is to know of the Divine nature of the Godhead. Nor can we fully know because our minds are still battling the flesh until we are transformed. Then we will know Him as HE is and see Him as He is.
i am following the deep things of God - Amen
Since the earth is not part of the Trinity, then neither are the physical waters.
We are not left in the dark, nor to guess, but we are told Who was in the Beginning (Before the waters appeared).
In the beginning Elohim(God).......Genesis 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim(God), and the Word was Elohim.
So we see from Scripture that the 'waters' were not Jesus but the Word is.
He said to them, “Does this offend you?
What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are Spirit,
and they are Life.
John 6:61-63
Why does the Bible have the plural word "Elohim" = God in Genesis 1? Because God is in fact the triune Godhead who said "Let US make man in OUR image and in OUR likeness". Genesis 1 and John 1 must be read together. Why would these verses be recorded unless we needed to know that (a) God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, (b) the Son is the eternal Word, and (c) it is the Son who was assigned the task of creating the universe out of nothing?
Also something which must be noted is that in Genesis 2, we do not read only "Elohim". We read of "YHWH (Yahweh) Elohim" = the LORD God. That is because this chapter shows us that God is now in an intimate relationship with man, and God visited Adam in Eden when He brought Eve to him. God also walked in Eden. Therefore His personal name is included.
Good Afternoon Brother,
Absolutely = Elohim Father Elohim Son Elohim Holy Spirit = Exodus 3:14-16
i do not belive that the created 'waters' represent the Elohim Word from the beginning as the Apostle John pointed out.
i do see "ELOHIM, SPIRIT, WORD" in the Beginning created.......
i also see, as you, "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our Likeness" = Plurality of Elohim mentioned 3 times in one sentence and subject matter directly connected and involved as Echad/One.
the Shema is also a declaration of the Godhead Plurality = Hear, O Israel: The Yahweh our Elohenu(plural), the Yahweh is one(echad).
Echad means a "united one or unifiied one" as opposed to a singular one such as the hebrew word yachid
The unbelieving Jew Rambam changed and corrupted the Torah by proclaiming Yahweh is yachid = a singular Person.
This gives a somewhat easy to understand idea of how God’s Spirit works.
1 Corinthians 2:11
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Therefore God’s Spirit is a part of His body much like how your spirit is a part of your body. The rabbit hole doesn’t stop there though because God Himself is a Spirit:
John 4:24
24God is a Spirit…
So God is a Spirit, has a Spirit, and in Him we live, move, and have our spiritual beings because He made our spirits born again.
Acts 17:28
28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
But the Godhead is immaterial.
Acts 17:29
29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Now we seem to be back full circle to The Bible seeming to describe God as being an immaterial Spirit within a Spirit. Perhaps this is just a way of saying God is infinite.
1 Corinthians 2:11
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Therefore God’s Spirit is a part of His body much like how your spirit is a part of your body. The rabbit hole doesn’t stop there though because God Himself is a Spirit:
John 4:24
24God is a Spirit…
So God is a Spirit, has a Spirit, and in Him we live, move, and have our spiritual beings because He made our spirits born again.
Acts 17:28
28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
But the Godhead is immaterial.
Acts 17:29
29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Now we seem to be back full circle to The Bible seeming to describe God as being an immaterial Spirit within a Spirit. Perhaps this is just a way of saying God is infinite.
Sir, why is this subject matter very difficult for people to understand? It is so pathe
I don't think you stroll back to read what I wrote about the Trinity. It's a long article which you think might bore you. Check it and it will do you good. And everyone here should please do. Check the first page and go through my writeups.
The Trinity doctrine can never be understood with our approach towards the subject matter. We are far from understanding the Trinity if the only thing we could find suitable enough to liken God's image is an egg or the forms of water.
Genesis 2:7