Is God omniscient, omnipotent , and omnipresent

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Is God omniscient, omnipotent , and omnipresent?
I believe that God is all them and more.
If a person believes it. Can a person understand the Bible with said view point?
I believe that people can and that the Bible encourages this.
"lean not on your own understand" (part of a bible verse) Proverbs 3:5-6
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. Isaiah 55:8
For example: Genesis 22 : Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you." You know the story and the outcome. From God's view point He already knew what was going to happen too. Put if someone was reading it for the first time, they might be shocked that God ask him to do such thing. This is how many people would react if they read it the first time. Lets say that is a human view of what happened so for. Later in the reading it all works out for God Glory. Then we understand the before and after and in our memory the story is there all together.
 

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I believe God knows an incredible amount ....more that I can put into words. And we can ascribe to God what the Word allows in scripture.
When it comes to free will.... I believe God knows which direction or decision we will take.... but not always....and the account you gave indicates that.
We know God is not a man that he should lie (Num 23:19)
So when God makes the statement in Gen 22:12 Now I Know ...He lied or told the truth.....and God can't lie.

Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
 

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God lives in a kingdom that is so different from ours that we are told we see it darkly. Even time is different for God, for there is no tomorrow or yesterday in time called eternal time, only now. My fleshly mind cannot completely understand that.

God is in the kingdom of heaven, not the kingdom of the flesh. We cannot give rules of the flesh to rules of this kingdom, and we understand it only through the holy spirit and that understanding is not complete.

Adam and Eve changed our world that was created in the image of God. It operates enough like the kingdom of heaven that God uses rules of the fleshly kingdom to help us understand the kingdom of heaven. He had his children mark their skin with a knife as God explained belonging to Him. When Christ came and explained things through the holy spirit we were told not to use cutting skin it help us understand.
 

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I believe God knows an incredible amount ....more that I can put into words. And we can ascribe to God what the Word allows in scripture.
When it comes to free will.... I believe God knows which direction or decision we will take.... but not always....and the account you gave indicates that.
We know God is not a man that he should lie (Num 23:19)
So when God makes the statement in Gen 22:12 Now I Know ...He lied or told the truth.....and God can't lie.

Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
I agree. I believe God is perfect in knowledge, however, there are certain things in the future that are not knowledge to be known until it occurs because he has given man the will to choose.
 

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Is God omniscient, omnipotent , and omnipresent?
I believe that God is all them and more.
If a person believes it. Can a person understand the Bible with said view point?
I believe that people can and that the Bible encourages this.
"lean not on your own understand" (part of a bible verse) Proverbs 3:5-6
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. Isaiah 55:8
For example: Genesis 22 : Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you." You know the story and the outcome. From God's view point He already knew what was going to happen too. Put if someone was reading it for the first time, they might be shocked that God ask him to do such thing. This is how many people would react if they read it the first time. Lets say that is a human view of what happened so for. Later in the reading it all works out for God Glory. Then we understand the before and after and in our memory the story is there all together.
Agree and know old wine fed to flesh and blood is its master till woke under new wine for awakening of spirit beyond darkness that is faced with old wine judging brighter light of Spirit. Impossible always fights possible beyond natural construction of consciences.
 

ewq1938

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Consider King Hezekiah. God told him to get his house in order because he was about to die. Hezekiah begged the Lord to let him live, so He gave him 15 more years. God did not change, but God changed his mind! Two very different things!

Exo 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Ex 32:14 So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.
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Amos 7:1 Thus the Lord GOD showed me, and behold, He was forming a locust-swarm when the spring crop began to sprout. And behold, the spring crop was after the king's mowing.
2 And it came about, when it had finished eating the vegetation of the land, that I said, "Lord GOD, please pardon! How can Jacob stand, For he is small?"
3 The LORD changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.
4 ¶Thus the Lord GOD showed me, and behold, the Lord GOD was calling to contend with them by fire, and it consumed the great deep and began to consume the farm land.
5 Then I said, "Lord GOD, please stop! How can Jacob stand, for he is small?"
6 The LORD changed His mind about this. "This too shall not be," said the Lord GOD.
7 ¶Thus He showed me, and behold, the Lord was standing by a vertical wall, with a plumb line in His hand.
8 And the LORD said to me, "What do you see, Amos?" And I said, "A plumb line." Then the Lord said, "Behold I am about to put a plumb line In the midst of My people Israel. I will spare them no longer.


Another time God changed his mind was regarding the Israelites and the golden calf. God initially was going to destroy them and make a new nation of people from the descendants of Moses instead but Moses intervened and God changed His mind again and allowed the people of Israel to live.



Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.



Here God feels like he should not have created mankind. He regrets the decision and is very upset over it. If God didn't change his mind he would not have to regret any decisions. It also shows that he didn't know that man would have become so wicked otherwise he wouldn't have made man.




Isa 5:2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.

"He dug it all around, removed its stones, and planted it with the choicest vine. And He built a tower in the middle of it and also hewed out a wine vat in it; Then He expected it to produce good grapes, but it produced only worthless ones" (Isa. 5:2).

Here God clearly expected one thing but another thing occurred proving in this particular situation showing he did not know what would occur.


God can choose to know the future or choose not to as in the above example.


Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.


How does an all knowing God not remember sins? Wouldn't that be a contradiction?


For example, his knowledge of the future is "iffy" in the case of Sodom. "If I find... " Also, Jer. 18 states that God warns, then waits to see what happens, before taking action. Now, if God know the future ahead of time, he would not have to wait around to see what is going to happen.

Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

He's going to kill everyone and everything except fish/sealife.



It is only after that thought does he give grace to one man and his family:

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

That's God changing his mind to spare one family and a lot of animals because originally he feels like destroying all and saving none.


It's the same with the sister story of Lot. Originally he was going to kill all, but Abraham intervenes and tries to get God to spare everyone if a certain number of righteous people were found. Enough wasn't found but God does decide to, again, spare one man and his family.
 
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God lives in a kingdom that is so different from ours that we are told we see it darkly. Even time is different for God, for there is no tomorrow or yesterday in time called eternal time, only now. My fleshly mind cannot completely understand that.

God is in the kingdom of heaven, not the kingdom of the flesh. We cannot give rules of the flesh to rules of this kingdom, and we understand it only through the holy spirit and that understanding is not complete.

Adam and Eve changed our world that was created in the image of God. It operates enough like the kingdom of heaven that God uses rules of the fleshly kingdom to help us understand the kingdom of heaven. He had his children mark their skin with a knife as God explained belonging to Him. When Christ came and explained things through the holy spirit we were told not to use cutting skin it help us understand.
Yes, he's in another dimension outside of time and space. Just picture this, that Ezekiel was several centuries before Jesus, and yet in Ezekiel 40 he saw a man measuring a temple. Guess who was that? Go to Rev. 11:1-2, that's apostle John who was given a rod to do that.
 

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Yes, he's in another dimension outside of time and space. Just picture this, that Ezekiel was several centuries before Jesus, and yet in Ezekiel 40 he saw a man measuring a temple. Guess who was that? Go to Rev. 11:1-2, that's apostle John who was given a rod to do that.

Nope.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

John was not to measure the outer court but the man in Ezekiel did measure it:


Eze 40:17 Then brought he me into the outward court, and, lo, there were chambers, and a pavement made for the court round about: thirty chambers were upon the pavement.
Eze 40:18 And the pavement by the side of the gates over against the length of the gates was the lower pavement.
Eze 40:19 Then he measured the breadth from the forefront of the lower gate unto the forefront of the inner court without, an hundred cubits eastward and northward.
 
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Nope.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

John was not to measure the outer court but the man in Ezekiel did measure it:


Eze 40:17 Then brought he me into the outward court, and, lo, there were chambers, and a pavement made for the court round about: thirty chambers were upon the pavement.
Eze 40:18 And the pavement by the side of the gates over against the length of the gates was the lower pavement.
Eze 40:19 Then he measured the breadth from the forefront of the lower gate unto the forefront of the inner court without, an hundred cubits eastward and northward.
OK, my bad, but it's measured anyway. I remember this from a sermon that John was to claim ownership of the inner court by measuring the length and width. It was like when you buy a new house and you go there to check it out, you've decided to measure it by yourself so you know how large that place really is.
 

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Yes, he's in another dimension outside of time and space.
Yes, this is how I imagine God too. Outside of this universe , who kicked Off the Big Bang when he said Let there be Light.
 

ewq1938

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OK, my bad, but it's measured anyway.

The man was glowing a certain color so likely was an angel. It's not the same temple either plus John measured people as well.
 
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Yes, this is how I imagine God too. Outside of this universe , who kicked Off the Big Bang when he said Let there be Light.
There was no big bang, don't be trapped in Satan's terminologies. The closest analogy is launching the "cosmos" which God programmed, and the "light" is God's presence IN the cosmos.

You know why God called everything "good" in the creation week? That was not a yelp review or something like that. The earth was "good" because it sustains life. It was the only planet at the right distance from the sun and with the right level of gravity to keep the atmosphere adhered to the surface. All other planets and asteroids are just barren rocks floating in the space. We never thought about it because we've taken it for granted.
 

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There was no big bang, don't be trapped in Satan's terminologies. The closest analogy is launching the "cosmos" which God programmed, and the "light" is God's presence IN the cosmos.

You know why God called everything "good" in the creation week? That was not a yelp review or something like that. The earth was "good" because it sustains life. It was the only planet at the right distance from the sun and with the right level of gravity to keep the atmosphere adhered to the surface. All other planets and asteroids are just barren rocks floating in the space. We never thought about it because we've taken it for granted.
Okay you seem a bit hard with terminology but we ultimately agree.
There was no Big Bang, there was only launching.
 
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Okay you seem a bit hard with terminology but we ultimately agree.
There was no Big Bang, there was only launching.
We must be hard on terminology. Don't you see that Satan is corrupting the language everyday? Our mind is shaped by our language, if they control the word, they control the mind. If you speak in their jargons with no awareness, you've already lost.
 

ewq1938

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We must be hard on terminology. Don't you see that Satan is corrupting the language everyday? Our mind is shaped by our language, if they control the word, they control the mind. If you speak in their jargons with no awareness, you've already lost.

Naw, we should take the terms away from them. I believe in Theistic Evolution and a Theistic big bang :)
 

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We must be hard on terminology. Don't you see that Satan is corrupting the language everyday? Our mind is shaped by our language, if they control the word, they control the mind. If you speak in their jargons with no awareness, you've already lost.
If you spoke to someone from the first century and they labeled you a sorcerer and the devil because you have an expanded vocabulary because you know what an iPhone and Internet is, would you agree with their assessment?
 
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The man was glowing a certain color so likely was an angel. It's not the same temple either plus John measured people as well.
Didn't the angel tell John to not measure it? Why then would the angel measure it by himself?
 

ewq1938

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Didn't the angel tell John to not measure it?
John was told not to measure it. The one measuring in Ezekiel does measure it proving Ezekiel was not talking about what John did.

Why then would the angel measure it by himself?
Likely wouldn't be the same angel. It's not the same temple or outer court.