Why did God create existence in the order he did?

[Mitaze1075]

There is no Canaanite pagan mythology involved. All false religions worship the creation of "mother earth", only in Christianity is there a Creator. Water was already there because it was a part of the earth created in 1:1. Later in Noah's Flood it was mentioned that water came from "fountains of the deep". Till this day the main source of fresh drinking water is still underground water.

Well Jewish people as far as all historical records , and linguistics, show arose from within the Semitic tribes. The editing was highly influenced by Egyptians and Canaanites. The stories , the older stories, such as the ugaritic cuneiforms, epic of Gilgamesh and all showcase this.

That’s why genesis 1 mentions the tannin in genesis 1.

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8577.htm
It’s paralleling the separation of the waters with the separation of the sea dragon as brought to light in psalms 74.


Psalm 74:12-17
New American Standard Bible


12 Yet God is my King from long ago,
Who performs acts of salvation in the midst of the earth.
13 You divided the sea by Your strength;
You broke the heads of the sea monsters in the waters.
14 You crushed the heads of Leviathan;
You gave him as food for the creatures of the wilderness.
15 You broke open springs and torrents;
You dried up ever-flowing streams.
16 Yours is the day, Yours also is the night;
You have prepared the light and the sun.
17 You have established all the boundaries of the earth;
You have created summer and winter.

The Tanakh, or epistles, are not concordistic in nature. They seem to be an accommodation to ancient people. Yahweh spoke to ancient Jewish people in a way that they could understand by drawing upon their Mesopotamian culture and heritage which included the Canaanite mythos and in general the steppes of Central Asia and Middle East.

This link talks a bit about it.
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/jewish/.premium-where-did-creation-story-come-from-1.5404560

All of this is why revelation mentions no sea in the second restoration of heaven and earth ( new heaven and earth ).


Revelation 21:1
New American Standard Bible


The New Heaven and Earth
21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Well Jewish people as far as all historical records , and linguistics, show arose from within the Semitic tribes. The editing was highly influenced by Egyptians and Canaanites. The stories , the older stories, such as the ugaritic cuneiforms, epic of Gilgamesh and all showcase this.

That’s why genesis 1 mentions the tannin in genesis 1.

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8577.htm
It’s paralleling the separation of the waters with the separation of the sea dragon as brought to light in psalms 74.


Psalm 74:12-17
New American Standard Bible


12 Yet God is my King from long ago,
Who performs acts of salvation in the midst of the earth.
13 You divided the sea by Your strength;
You broke the heads of the sea monsters in the waters.
14 You crushed the heads of Leviathan;
You gave him as food for the creatures of the wilderness.
15 You broke open springs and torrents;
You dried up ever-flowing streams.
16 Yours is the day, Yours also is the night;
You have prepared the light and the sun.
17 You have established all the boundaries of the earth;
You have created summer and winter.

The Tanakh, or epistles, are not concordistic in nature. They seem to be an accommodation to ancient people. Yahweh spoke to ancient Jewish people in a way that they could understand by drawing upon their Mesopotamian culture and heritage which included the Canaanite mythos and in general the steppes of Central Asia and Middle East.

This link talks a bit about it.
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/jewish/.premium-where-did-creation-story-come-from-1.5404560

All of this is why revelation mentions no sea in the second restoration of heaven and earth ( new heaven and earth ).


Revelation 21:1
New American Standard Bible


The New Heaven and Earth
21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

Duh, it's called NEW heaven and NEW earth for a reason. There was no sea in the garden of Eden either, only rivers. One function of the sea is to adjust the temperature, the water is able to sbsorb a lot of heat at summer and release some of it at winter, so it won't be scorching at summer or freezing at winter. There's no need for that anymore because the access to the Tree of Life is regained in New Jerusalem, which would be the restored Eden.

 

[Diakonos]

God first made environments, then creatures to inhabit them.

 

[Goliath]

it overlaps in sequence one is an overall view the other gives details

As you can see In (Genesis 1), the beasts of the field are created....before man was formed.
And God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth after his kind”; and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind; and God saw that it was good. And God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
(Genesis 1:24-26)

In (Genesis 2), the beasts of the field are created....after man was created.
And the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper meet for him.” And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air, and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them; and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
(Genesis 2:18-19)

Also, as you can see...The birds, in (Genesis 1).....are created on the 5th day,.... when man was created on the 6th day. In (Genesis 2)..The Birds are created after Adam.
God said, “Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.” And God created great whales and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind; and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply on the earth.” And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Genesis 1:20-23

 

[followJesustoday]

The light is Christ, so in a sense this is a correct observation. However, you may be looking at Genesis as a surface text. Many people read Genesis, and the rest of the Bible as well, and do not know that the Bible is written in parable form, meaning the words have an interpreted spiritual meaning. We read about the fact that the words of God's mouth, the law (which is the Bible) are written in parable form in Psalm 78: "Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable" The Bible will not be understood unless you realize this. We read again, in Mark 4 that "But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples." The chapter goes on to explain that unto those who are saved it is given to understand the parable meaning of the Bible but to those who are unsaved (without) all things are done in parables but they do not understand. They encounter the Bible but it is a parable and they can't understand the interpreted meaning. The book of Genesis, for example, talks about how God planted a garden. But the Bible says that a garden is God's spouse, in other words a garden is the true believers: "A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse". The Bible also talks about the tree of life in the midst of the garden. We find that God refers to people as trees in parable language in the the Bible and that he 'plants' true believers. We also find that it is Jesus who is in the midst of his people in the Bible. Hence, we can understand, one hopes, that the tree of life in the midst of the Garden is parable language for Jesus in the midst of his people.

We find living creatures mentioned in Genesis that the the waters (the word of God) brought forth abundantly and God saw that this was good. Even so, the living creations of God that the word of God brings forth, that is the true believers, are good in the eyes of God thanks to Jesus. The creation of true believers belonging to God would not have been possible without Christ (the light) going to the cross and then being resurrected, so yes, the light comes first to make the true believers possible. Adam, a picture of Christ, went into a judgment death involving his side (a deep sleep in parable language) in order to creature Eve, a picture of the living true believers.

Great reply and I am aware of the many parables and metaphors of the bible thus I should have put 'Jesus' in parenthesis after the word light, in my sentence. People, like me, that study the bible know what the parables mean. Thanks again for your answer.

 

[Goliath]

Sorry I just noticed...as I learn how to maneuver through this site, I posted my comment in the wrong forum.

With the understanding Genesis one is the telling of the creation of the world, and Genesis two is the telling of the creation of the Garden of Eden, we can give a our distractors, the non believers, a creation story which better aligns with our Holy Creator. It sickens me..This "Christian" theory which seems to claim we came from an incestuous beginning. If we all came from Adam and Eve, alone, the only explanation which can be derived...is incest. I don't know who came up with this story, but I can guarantee, he was not led by Gods Holy Spirit. This is what happens when men become Great in the eyes of men, men like Matthew Henry and that lot.

With this knowledge, we can unashamedly explain Cains wife came from the those created in Genesis one, and this is also where all of Adams Sons, wives came from, those called the Sons of God. But don't take my word for it...The Bible clearly says it...
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair; and they took for themselves wives of all whom they chose.
(Genesis 6:1-2)

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Sorry I just noticed...as I learn how to maneuver through this site, I posted my comment in the wrong forum.

With the understanding Genesis one is the telling of the creation of the world, and Genesis two is the telling of the creation of the Garden of Eden, we can give a our distractors, the non believers, a creation story which better aligns with our Holy Creator. It sickens me..This "Christian" theory which seems to claim we came from an incestuous beginning. If we all came from Adam and Eve, alone, the only explanation which can be derived...is incest. I don't know who came up with this story, but I can guarantee, he was not led by Gods Holy Spirit. This is what happens when men become Great in the eyes of men, men like Matthew Henry and that lot.

With this knowledge, we can unashamedly explain Cains wife came from the those created in Genesis one, and this is also where all of Adams Sons, wives came from, those called the Sons of God. But don't take my word for it...The Bible clearly says it...
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair; and they took for themselves wives of all whom they chose.
(Genesis 6:1-2)

"Incest" is a non sequitur, and it's less sickening than coming from apes.

 

[Goliath]

"Incest" is a non sequitur, and it's less sickening than coming from apes.

Well that’s the beauty of it. For a time God will let you believe whatever you want to believe. And you believe Cains wife came from?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Well that’s the beauty of it. For a time God will let you believe whatever you want to believe. And you believe Cains wife came from?

This is nothing but a distraction. Before the flood, the real abomination was those giants, the hybrids of fallen angel and human in Gen. 6. Incest was probably not a problem until human genome was permanently corrupted by such breeding.

 

[hornetguy]

Heres a thought for you...Have you ever noticed the sequence of events in (Genesis 1), do not match the sequence of events in (Genesis 2)?
I believe the creation story in (Genesis 1) is about God creating the world, and (Genesis 2), Gods creation of a Garden, the Garden....in Eden.
Which explains where Cains wife came from.

And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod to the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.
Genesis 4:16-17

I have been thinking about this for quite some time now. This would also help to explain why the evidence of "men" is found that is older than our "Biblical" world indicates.
When God created male and female, on the sixth day, He told them to be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth... to have dominion over all the animals, etc.... and that all happened on the sixth day.
I am coming to believe that chapter two begins the story of the family of Adam. "Mankind" already existed on the earth, perhaps for thousands of years? Then God began the family of Adam.... intending that they live in the land of Eden, in the garden..... until they messed up.
So, when Cain was banished, he said he would have to be a vagrant and a wanderer, and "whoever finds me will kill me"..... who would have been out there to find him and kill him?
One fly in the ointment of this theory is the verse that says Adam called his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.... but that could be that Adam didn't know there were other "mankind" out in the world.... so Eve would have been the mother of all of the family of Adam...

Also, why was it important to trace Jesus' lineage all the way back to Adam? (the first son of God) Why not just back to David?

Interesting stuff, and it would fill a lot of gaps in the evolution/creation argument.

 

[Mitaze1075]

Duh, it's called NEW heaven and NEW earth for a reason. There was no sea in the garden of Eden either, only rivers. One function of the sea is to adjust the temperature, the water is able to sbsorb a lot of heat at summer and release some of it at winter, so it won't be scorching at summer or freezing at winter. There's no need for that anymore because the access to the Tree of Life is regained in New Jerusalem, which would be the restored Eden.

im not sure what exactly you were trying to counter.

 

[Mitaze1075]

I have been thinking about this for quite some time now. This would also help to explain why the evidence of "men" is found that is older than our "Biblical" world indicates.
When God created male and female, on the sixth day, He told them to be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth... to have dominion over all the animals, etc.... and that all happened on the sixth day.
I am coming to believe that chapter two begins the story of the family of Adam. "Mankind" already existed on the earth, perhaps for thousands of years? Then God began the family of Adam.... intending that they live in the land of Eden, in the garden..... until they messed up.
So, when Cain was banished, he said he would have to be a vagrant and a wanderer, and "whoever finds me will kill me"..... who would have been out there to find him and kill him?
One fly in the ointment of this theory is the verse that says Adam called his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.... but that could be that Adam didn't know there were other "mankind" out in the world.... so Eve would have been the mother of all of the family of Adam...

Also, why was it important to trace Jesus' lineage all the way back to Adam? (the first son of God) Why not just back to David?

Interesting stuff, and it would fill a lot of gaps in the evolution/creation argument.

I agree. You may really enjoy some of the forums of BioLogos that really dig into these same questions using the insight of Christians who are scientists, including a handful of internationally famous ones, and theologians.

https://discourse.biologos.org/c/open-forum/17

There is a fantastic book also by John Walton called “ Lost World of Genesis One “ and another called “ Lost Word of Adam and Eve”.

 

[Mitaze1075]

"Incest" is a non sequitur, and it's less sickening than coming from apes.

You think it’s less disgusting to have sex with your sister or mother than the theory of evolution? Ok……

 

[Magenta]

Heres a thought for you...Have you ever noticed the sequence of events in (Genesis 1), do not match the sequence of events in (Genesis 2)?
I believe the creation story in (Genesis 1) is about God creating the world, and (Genesis 2), Gods creation of a Garden, the Garden....in Eden.
Which explains where Cains wife came from.

And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod to the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.
Genesis 4:16-17

How does it explain where Cain's wife came from? Just curious. Many say Cain met and married her there as if she came from Nod, but the text does not say that, while it does say that Cain built a city there and named it after his son who was conceived there. It seems just as plausible - or even more so - to me that they were already married, and went there together. But either are assumptions

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You think it’s less disgusting to have sex with your sister or mother than the theory of evolution? Ok……

Satan made it “disgusting” and led you to accept EVILution as an alternative, not God.

 

[Mitaze1075]

Satan made it “disgusting” and led you to accept EVILution as an alternative, not God.

Satan made incest evil? Okay….

 

[Runningman]

It seems to me a bit important what the Bible says, but also what it doesn’t say. Most of the account of creation is quite abbreviated, simplified down to explaining the creation of a universe quickly in just a few paragraphs.

God said “let there be light.” No further explanation offered about something as complex as light, etc.

All we know is that God created things with His words. One may be inclined to believe all things popped into existence immediately in a flash with perfect instancy as God spoke, and maybe they did, but it doesn’t confirm that either.

Compared to the overall message of Genesis, creation is more like an “By the way, God created everything now on with the story.” It isn’t meant to be an exhaustive play-by-play account, in minute detail, of how it all happened exactly, in my personal opinion.

 

[Mitaze1075]

It isn’t meant to be an exhaustive play-by-play account, in minute detail, of how it all happened exactly, in my personal opinion.

I agree.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

It seems to me a bit important what the Bible says, but also what it doesn’t say. Most of the account of creation is quite abbreviated, simplified down to explaining the creation of a universe quickly in just a few paragraphs.

God said “let there be light.” No further explanation offered about something as complex as light, etc.

All we know is that God created things with His words. One may be inclined to believe all things popped into existence immediately in a flash with perfect instancy as God spoke, and maybe they did, but it doesn’t confirm that either.

Compared to the overall message of Genesis, creation is more like an “By the way, God created everything now on with the story.” It isn’t meant to be an exhaustive play-by-play account, in minute detail, of how it all happened exactly, in my personal opinion.

God is not bound by the laws of physics he set because, again, he operates outside of the time-space continuum. He and the angels watching over us is like a group of scientists monitoring some animals in a controlled environment, except they are actively engaged in this experiment rather than just watching from the sidelines. While we as the “animals” could not begin to imagine what it is like beyond this environment. You may remember this term “beasts of the field” in the Bible, that’s not just referring to the wild animals, oftentimes it’s also a code word of barbaric, lawless men who behave like animals. Many non religious thinkers understand this concept better than Christians. You just have to get out of the EVILutionary view.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Also, why was it important to trace Jesus' lineage all the way back to Adam? (the first son of God) Why not just back to David?

It's critically important because Jesus is the SECOND and last Adam. The word was God and with God in the beginning, but the man wasn't. Adam as the first man was the prototype of Jesus, he was made in the image of God and sinless at first - until he failed the test. The entire bible was about God's salvation for mankind. The last three chapters of Revelation are actually about the undoing of sin's curse upon Adam and the restoration of Eden.