DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC?
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Ummm, no.
The "church" or ekklesia is the called-out congregation of believers in Jesus Christ. Again, we would need a "Christ" or Messiah if Adam and Eve hadn't partaken of the forbidden fruit and if sin hadn't entered into this world, so just admit your error (at least to God and to yourself), and make the necessary adjustments for your own sake.
And if pigs had wings and could fly, then I wouldn't have to drive to the supermarket to buy bacon. Instead, I could just sit in my backyard with a shotgun, a grill, and a frying pan, in order to prepare and enjoy my breakfast.
Look.
Humans did choose the forbidden fruit, so just deal with it, and stop living in your imaginary world. Furthermore, as has already been pointed out to you, GOD is the one who first killed at least one animal while providing skins for clothing for both Adam and Eve (Gen. 3:21), and GOD is the one who similarly provides clothing today for those with genuine faith (Matt. 6:30).
Oh, so you're now admitting that God wants us to be clothed?
Good.
That's a start.
And I don't recall reading (I haven't read all of the pages of posts here) where anybody here said that God doesn't want us to have faith in Christ's sacrifice, so why are you even mentioning the same?
"Coats of skins" DEFINITELY refers to literal clothing.
That said, there is also DEFINITELY a spiritual application in that the killing of that innocent animal (or animals) foreshadowed Christ's atonement as "the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29).
I'm not the least bit confused about this.
Again, it seems that you're now willing to admit that genuine "faith" is directly linked to "offering clothes to wear" (James 2:15-20), so perhaps there's some hope for you yet.
Also, I don't recall reading where anybody said that we don't need to deal with invisible lust in our hearts (but I haven't read all of the posts here), so drop the strawman arguments, at least with me, okay?
Anyhow, the bottom line is this:
God wants us to wear clothes in public.
Deal with it.
The "church" or ekklesia is the called-out congregation of believers in Jesus Christ. Again, we would need a "Christ" or Messiah if Adam and Eve hadn't partaken of the forbidden fruit and if sin hadn't entered into this world, so just admit your error (at least to God and to yourself), and make the necessary adjustments for your own sake.
And if pigs had wings and could fly, then I wouldn't have to drive to the supermarket to buy bacon. Instead, I could just sit in my backyard with a shotgun, a grill, and a frying pan, in order to prepare and enjoy my breakfast.
Look.
Humans did choose the forbidden fruit, so just deal with it, and stop living in your imaginary world. Furthermore, as has already been pointed out to you, GOD is the one who first killed at least one animal while providing skins for clothing for both Adam and Eve (Gen. 3:21), and GOD is the one who similarly provides clothing today for those with genuine faith (Matt. 6:30).
Oh, so you're now admitting that God wants us to be clothed?
Good.
That's a start.
And I don't recall reading (I haven't read all of the pages of posts here) where anybody here said that God doesn't want us to have faith in Christ's sacrifice, so why are you even mentioning the same?
"Coats of skins" DEFINITELY refers to literal clothing.
That said, there is also DEFINITELY a spiritual application in that the killing of that innocent animal (or animals) foreshadowed Christ's atonement as "the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29).
I'm not the least bit confused about this.
Again, it seems that you're now willing to admit that genuine "faith" is directly linked to "offering clothes to wear" (James 2:15-20), so perhaps there's some hope for you yet.
Also, I don't recall reading where anybody said that we don't need to deal with invisible lust in our hearts (but I haven't read all of the posts here), so drop the strawman arguments, at least with me, okay?
Anyhow, the bottom line is this:
God wants us to wear clothes in public.
Deal with it.
The point was that you were wrong when you said the living and the dead have nothing to do with each other: but you also interpreted the analogy backwards- if we are dead to the law, then we are the dead spouse being mourned, and the blood of Abel crying out to God, not the other way around.
Sin is the disease, not the law. The law just tells you that you have the disease and that you're going to die. Jesus takes away the sin so that the law cannot tell us were going to die from our disease. Read that whole chapter- You are dead to the law and it's judgement on you when and IF you mortify the deeds of the flesh by walking in the spirit- and that's whether you know the law, or you don't. But if you're out there fornicating and stealing, you obviously aren't walking in the spirit, because the spirit does not lead you to do those things. You're delivered from the power of the law because the spirit makes you righteous, not delivered from the knowledge of the law because the spirit deletes your knowledge. Look, Paul is not under the law- he is led by the spirit- but he still has knowledge of what is good and evil. He explains what walking in the flesh and walking in the spirit looks like.
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
First of all, babies don't clothe themselves because they can't. Secondly, they would clothe themselves if they could, for the same reasons adults do= you don't have to "know good and evil" to understand the benefits of clothes.
Are you kidding me right now? That is what Jesus and the Apostles call charity/goodwill/ or "love". That IS the fruit of the spirit. That is walking in the spirit. Being a doer of the word. That is the evidence your faith is alive, as long as you don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing and you don't have some ulterior motive.
Sin is the disease, not the law. The law just tells you that you have the disease and that you're going to die. Jesus takes away the sin so that the law cannot tell us were going to die from our disease. Read that whole chapter- You are dead to the law and it's judgement on you when and IF you mortify the deeds of the flesh by walking in the spirit- and that's whether you know the law, or you don't. But if you're out there fornicating and stealing, you obviously aren't walking in the spirit, because the spirit does not lead you to do those things. You're delivered from the power of the law because the spirit makes you righteous, not delivered from the knowledge of the law because the spirit deletes your knowledge. Look, Paul is not under the law- he is led by the spirit- but he still has knowledge of what is good and evil. He explains what walking in the flesh and walking in the spirit looks like.
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
First of all, babies don't clothe themselves because they can't. Secondly, they would clothe themselves if they could, for the same reasons adults do= you don't have to "know good and evil" to understand the benefits of clothes.
Are you kidding me right now? That is what Jesus and the Apostles call charity/goodwill/ or "love". That IS the fruit of the spirit. That is walking in the spirit. Being a doer of the word. That is the evidence your faith is alive, as long as you don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing and you don't have some ulterior motive.
I didn't interpret it backwards. The scripture tells it so Read Romans7:4.
Sin cannot be taken away without taking away the law because sin gains life when a person is under law (Romans7:9: For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died).
Babies do not clothe for the same reason Adam and Eve didn't clothe which is absence of knowledge of good and evil.
You admitted your heart isn't lust-free. So your faith is dead!
Sin cannot be taken away without taking away the law because sin gains life when a person is under law (Romans7:9: For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died).
Babies do not clothe for the same reason Adam and Eve didn't clothe which is absence of knowledge of good and evil.
You admitted your heart isn't lust-free. So your faith is dead!
If humans hadn't chosen the forbidden knowledge of good and evil, they need no clothing.
We would need Christ even if humans hadn't chosen the forbidden knowledge of good and evil because Christ was slain from the creation of the world. Revelation 13:8: "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world".
We would need Christ even if humans hadn't chosen the forbidden knowledge of good and evil because Christ was slain from the creation of the world. Revelation 13:8: "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world".
L
No we wouldn't.
Granted, he would still be our Creator, but he wouldn't be the "Christ" or the Messiah if sin had never entered into this world.
He was only "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" BECAUSE God, in his foreknowledge, knew that Adam and Eve would sin, and he had the cure in place before the disease ever became a reality.
Anyhow, your whole infatuation with this topic of "clothing" is a giant waste of time.
We live in a fallen world, and people need clothing for both natural and spiritual reasons.
In the natural, it helps to protect them from such things as harmful sun rays and to keep them warm in the cold.
In the spiritual, even if every Christian was truly free from the after effects of Adam and Eve's fall, then there would still be unsaved people in this world who would lust after the naked Christians who you'd apparently like to see prancing around all over the place.
Seriously, find something else to spend your time and effort with.
Granted, he would still be our Creator, but he wouldn't be the "Christ" or the Messiah if sin had never entered into this world.
He was only "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" BECAUSE God, in his foreknowledge, knew that Adam and Eve would sin, and he had the cure in place before the disease ever became a reality.
Anyhow, your whole infatuation with this topic of "clothing" is a giant waste of time.
We live in a fallen world, and people need clothing for both natural and spiritual reasons.
In the natural, it helps to protect them from such things as harmful sun rays and to keep them warm in the cold.
In the spiritual, even if every Christian was truly free from the after effects of Adam and Eve's fall, then there would still be unsaved people in this world who would lust after the naked Christians who you'd apparently like to see prancing around all over the place.
Seriously, find something else to spend your time and effort with.
Bible never says Jesus was slain from the creation of the world to plan the cure in advance. That's your inclusion. He was instead slain in order to pay for our names to be written in His book of life. So we need the Messiah the anointed One.
You are infatuated with clothing when God didn't create humans with clothing.
Protection, warmth, protection from the unsaved people etc do not come by our efforts but by faith in Christ's sacrifice.
You cannot help yourself. Trust Christ.
You are infatuated with clothing when God didn't create humans with clothing.
Protection, warmth, protection from the unsaved people etc do not come by our efforts but by faith in Christ's sacrifice.
You cannot help yourself. Trust Christ.
L
That's not my inclusion at all.
For example, Peter, under Divine inspiration, said:
I Peter chapter 1
[17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
[18] Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
[19] But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[20] Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
[21] Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Jesus was "foreordained before the foundation of the world" to be "as a lamb without blemish and without spot", but he wasn't "manifested" as the same until "these last times" or until approximately 2000 years ago.
Again, God, in his foreknowledge, foreordained the same even as this same Peter, under Divine inspiration, said here:
Acts chapter 2
[22] Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
[23] Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
[24] Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
God, in his "determinate counsel and foreknowledge" delivered Jesus into "wicked hands" by which he was "crucified and slain" approximately 2000 years ago, and NOT literally before the foundation of the world.
Do yourself a favor and don't press against this truth.
Should you foolishly decide to, then I'll have no other option but to show you just how much you don't know in relation to the actual timing of Jesus' death that the truth of God's word might be upheld.
For example, Peter, under Divine inspiration, said:
I Peter chapter 1
[17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
[18] Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
[19] But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[20] Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
[21] Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Jesus was "foreordained before the foundation of the world" to be "as a lamb without blemish and without spot", but he wasn't "manifested" as the same until "these last times" or until approximately 2000 years ago.
Again, God, in his foreknowledge, foreordained the same even as this same Peter, under Divine inspiration, said here:
Acts chapter 2
[22] Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
[23] Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
[24] Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
God, in his "determinate counsel and foreknowledge" delivered Jesus into "wicked hands" by which he was "crucified and slain" approximately 2000 years ago, and NOT literally before the foundation of the world.
Do yourself a favor and don't press against this truth.
Should you foolishly decide to, then I'll have no other option but to show you just how much you don't know in relation to the actual timing of Jesus' death that the truth of God's word might be upheld.
You have not refuted the following: "He was instead slain in order to pay for our names to be written in His book of life. So we need the Messiah the anointed One".
Choosing the knowledge of good & evil led to death (eternal separation from God). So without deliverance from that knowledge, no redemption is possible. Repent without wasting time.
Choosing the knowledge of good & evil led to death (eternal separation from God). So without deliverance from that knowledge, no redemption is possible. Repent without wasting time.
Why were they were unashamed that is, why didn't they have moral guilt? Because they didn't have the forbidden knowledge of good & evil which is the moral knowledge!
So without being delivered from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil, seeking for & going around in fig leaves/fabric is meaningless!
So without being delivered from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil, seeking for & going around in fig leaves/fabric is meaningless!