Where did the fouls of the air come from? The waters or the Earth?

[Shakey]

Not sure where you read that they were formed from both water and ground but I read:

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. (New Scofield Study Bible, 1998 Oxford University Press)

Side note: Bob Dylan's album, Slow Train Comin, has a song: Man Gave names to all the Animals. This was his album dabbling in Christianity.
Bob Dylan - Man Gave Names to All the Animals (Official Audio)

 

[Shakey]

2 Peter 3:5, You need to read the entire chapter not just one verse.
3:5 reads: For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in water:
3:6: Whereby the world that was, being overflowed with water perished.

This is simply a remembrance of the flood in Genesis 6-9. A warning that man will perish again unless he turns to God. (and not perish by flood as God promised He would never do that again.)

Peter is writing to Timothy to help him in building and keeping the early church alive, strong and teaching from the entire scripture not just one verse.

 

[Magenta]

I mean no offense when I say this, but not too many people are aware that
the waters basically gave birth to the Earth, as you have shown in 2nd Peter.

And the way I understand it is, the waters represent the holy Spirit, and
the Earth representing the heart of God or Jesus. Similarly to when the
Spirit of God overshadowed Mary, causing her to give birth to Jesus.

It is interesting (to me anyways ) that hydrogen is the most plentiful
substance in the universe, and oxygen, the third most plentiful.

And water = H2O

I was however curious to know if anyone picked up or caught the verse in Genesis 2:19.

Well, the ground came out of the water. Water was first. As you have noted

 

[Helio]

Whether the fish evolved from flying fish to, over eons, birds, or God created them from ground material doesn't change the main point, IMO, of the claim that it wasn't Egyptian gods that are responsible for creation, but God.

If the author was simply writing what God revealed to him, then the waters could be any flat body that looked watery, namely watery blue. The nearly flat accretion disk around the early Sun could have been blue for the same reason our sky is blue.

 

[Helio]

It is interesting (to me anyways ) that hydrogen is the most plentiful substance in the universe, and oxygen, the third most plentiful.

Yes, the universe is about ~90% hydrogen and 10% helium by number; ~73% hydrogen and 25% helium by mass. The other elements are only trace elements, though oxygen is the next element in the list at ~ 1%.

And water = H2O

Yep.

Well, the ground came out of the water. Water was first. As you have noted

Science supports this as well, FWIW, since water allows far more chemical events to take place. The brilliance behind the fine-tuned design of our universe is beyond amazing.

 

[Shakey]

If I am reading this correct, you are agreeing with the creation of life with our God of the Bible and not evolution, correct?
As yes, it is an amazing design! No fossil record of evolution, even Darwin questioned his theory on his deathbed.

 

[ewq1938]

The waters beneath the firmament, the Earth, or both?

Both.

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.


This is the fifth day. God creates sealife and birds. Take note that fowls/birds are also created from the waters not from the ground. Adam does not exist yet.


Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


Yet in Gen. 2 we are told about fowls/birds being created out of the ground, not out of the waters. This was done after God made Adam. Most people do not notice these differences when they read the accounts.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Would you read Genesis 2:19 and tell me what you see in that passage, please?

The end of the 4th day.

 

[know1]

Not sure where you read that they were formed from both water and ground but I read:

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. (New Scofield Study Bible, 1998 Oxford University Press)

Side note: Bob Dylan's album, Slow Train Comin, has a song: Man Gave names to all the Animals. This was his album dabbling in Christianity.
Bob Dylan - Man Gave Names to All the Animals (Official Audio)

Please read Genesis 1:20.
That verse says the fouls of the pear or made from the waters.
Do you have any theory as to why chapter one says they were made from water and chapter 2, from the ground?

 

[know1]

The end of the 4th day.

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No silly. We were talking about where the birds of the air were created.
Chapter one says they were formed from the waters, and chapter 2 says from the .
Do you have any theories as to why that might be?

 

[know1]

2 Peter 3:5, You need to read the entire chapter not just one verse.
3:5 reads: For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in water:
3:6: Whereby the world that was, being overflowed with water perished.

This is simply a remembrance of the flood in Genesis 6-9. A warning that man will perish again unless he turns to God. (and not perish by flood as God promised He would never do that again.)

Peter is writing to Timothy to help him in building and keeping the early church alive, strong and teaching from the entire scripture not just one verse.

I stand corrected and I thank you for doing so.
I did read that verse only and I do agreed that it was talking about the flood during Noah's time.
However, I do see a number of parallels between the flood during Noah's time versus the account in Genesis.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

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No silly. We were talking about where the birds of the air were created.
Chapter one says they were formed from the waters, and chapter 2 says from the .
Do you have any theories as to why that might be?

I don't, because the bible only said "birds of the AIR". Anything else is a theory from you, not me.

 

[know1]

It is interesting (to me anyways ) that hydrogen is the most plentiful
substance in the universe, and oxygen, the third most plentiful.

And water = H2O


Well, the ground came out of the water. Water was first. As you have noted

Did you notice oh God created the heavens and the Earth in the beginning but there was no mention of God creating the waters?
The waters were already there. Which might suggest, the waters had no beginning.
That's pure speculation on my part.

 

[know1]

I don't, because the bible only said "birds of the AIR". Anything else is a theory from you, not me.

Yes, that is true, hence the reason why I brought it up. At this point, I can only speculate, guess, or theorize what actually happened or what the Bible is trying to say.
One thing I do know and believe with all my heart, and that is, whatever the Bible says, is true, or what actually happened or took place.
I use the Bible to determine what is true and what is not what happened and what did not and not the other way around. I do not make the Bible fit what people say but the reciprocal.

 

[know1]

Does anyone have any theories as to why there appears to be conflicting accounts concerning the formation of the birds?
Two different eras maybe?

 

[ewq1938]

Does anyone have any theories as to why there appears to be conflicting accounts concerning the formation of the birds?
Two different eras maybe?

They don't seem to be catching on.

Some Christians believe Adam was not created in Gen 1, that he was created in Gen 2 which is not a repeat of any creating in Gen 1. That is why birds are created from water in Gen 1 but in Gen 2 birds are created from ground. Two creation stories where Adam is not first human.

 

[Jocund]

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." - Gen 1:20 KJV [day 5]

"And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof." - Gen 2:19 KJV [day 6]

Theory 1: two sets of birds. First created from water on day 5, then an instance of each bird from the ground on day 6.

Theory 2: the Gen 2:19 reference for the creation of those birds is actually retrospective to day 5 for Adam's viewing in day 6. The birds were brought forth / formed by a combination of water and ground, from the mist.

"But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." - Gen 2:6

 

[birdie]

Does anyone have any theories as to why there appears to be conflicting accounts concerning the formation of the birds?
Two different eras maybe?

Thanks know1 for your question. In order to form a true believer (birds of the air) the word of God (water) is sown on good ground (such persons as hear the word and receive it). Mark chapter 4 explains the ground part. Of course, in order to accept this explanation you would have to believe God when he tells us that the Bible is written in parable form, so that the surface text has a hidden spiritual meaning (Mark 4:34, Psalm 78:1-2).

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." - Gen 1:20 KJV [day 5]

"And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof." - Gen 2:19 KJV [day 6]

Theory 1: two sets of birds. First created from water on day 5, then an instance of each bird from the ground on day 6.

Theory 2: the Gen 2:19 reference for the creation of those birds is actually retrospective to day 5 for Adam's viewing in day 6. The birds were brought forth / formed by a combination of water and ground, from the mist.

"But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." - Gen 2:6

Don't indulge him, man. Since birds were to multiply on the earth, they were the same as the beasts of the field, except they can fly in the air and they were created earlier than the beasts of the field. I don't know what you guys are talking about and why the hustle to make simple stuffs so complicated.

 

[Nehemiah6]

It's clear until you read another verse that would contradict the verse you just quoted. Genesis 2:19 States, "out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every fowl of the air..." And so I asked again, in light of the above verse, were the birds formed from the waters, the earth, or both?

These two verses can be reconciled if we postulate that the birds of the air were created at the junction of land and water (where water overlapped land). Since the Bible does not contradict itself this is most probably the case. The Hebrew word for ground (adamah) means soil or dust, and there is soil at the junction of land and sea.