Why are we quiet
- Thread starter kenallen
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Lanolin and Blaim You are right one person standing on the street corner is not going to work, parent's and others have to get involved but I lay a lot of the blame at the feet of the church The jog of a Pastor is to lead his flock to good pasture. As I said to someone else I am sure there are good churches out there I just have not found one around here. I said within 50 miles of my house I have not checked out every church but a lot of them in the last 5 months. I have an older distant relative I found because my sister is into our family history and he is a christian. He also has not found a church but He has studied the bible for years, He gets into the Greek and Hebrew to get the best understanding he can. He is teaching me the basics of bible study line by line know who is talking what they are talking about and just who they are talking to. It is amazing how God lays things out if you just slow down read it with understanding. but I digress.
You misunderstood what I was talking about. I thank the time some big revival has come and gone. Yes you and I and everyone else are witness. I am talking about Revelation 11:3-12
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The Witnesses Killed and Raised
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
I am looking for those 2 witness they mark the end of this earth age and the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The Witnesses Killed and Raised
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
I am looking for those 2 witness they mark the end of this earth age and the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
O
Trump blamed the church for the condition of the country. I agree. Much of the church was offended. Through lack of voter and intercessory support, he didn't get back in.
Now, I hope, the church is praying that the Russian nuclear bombers that have been seen flying along the borders of Ukraine don't drop their bombs.
Now, I hope, the church is praying that the Russian nuclear bombers that have been seen flying along the borders of Ukraine don't drop their bombs.
-
1
-
1
- Show all
Hi ken,
I hear your righteous concern. However have you realised that Israel is God`s chosen ones to rule the nations, whereas we, the Body of Christ are NOT of this world but are being prepared for rulership above. Yes we are to be a `voice,` concerning these `sins` but we are NOT called to change or fix the world system of operating, for God will judge it.
The Gentile nations have been given a certain time to show how they can rule, but God in His omniscience, (all knowing) knows they wont rule righteously. God will set up His rulership through Israel after the nations have been judged.
Our responsibility is, yes be a voice for righteousness, and to help disciple (mentor) others in their journey in knowing Christ and His purposes for - the Body of Christ, for Israel and for the nations.
I hear your righteous concern. However have you realised that Israel is God`s chosen ones to rule the nations, whereas we, the Body of Christ are NOT of this world but are being prepared for rulership above. Yes we are to be a `voice,` concerning these `sins` but we are NOT called to change or fix the world system of operating, for God will judge it.
The Gentile nations have been given a certain time to show how they can rule, but God in His omniscience, (all knowing) knows they wont rule righteously. God will set up His rulership through Israel after the nations have been judged.
Our responsibility is, yes be a voice for righteousness, and to help disciple (mentor) others in their journey in knowing Christ and His purposes for - the Body of Christ, for Israel and for the nations.
-
1
-
1
- Show all
O
The bombers are flying...it's a fact.
I remember the intense prayer leading up to the 2016 election. During the midterms, people talked of a red wave and took it easy. We lost. Leading up to 2020, enough of the church hated Trump and voted for Biden. They were offended.
Much of the church was lackadaisical, thinking Trump did such a good job and combined with Biden's complete lack of campaigning and obvious ineptitude, it was certain Trump would get in. The left broke all the rules and got away with it (lack of earnest intercession?)
Now we are on the verge of an armed conflict with Russia, and the powers-that-be are hellbent on escalating things.
We are on the road to a nuclear nightmare and all people can do is argue about it. At least that's how I see it.
I remember the intense prayer leading up to the 2016 election. During the midterms, people talked of a red wave and took it easy. We lost. Leading up to 2020, enough of the church hated Trump and voted for Biden. They were offended.
Much of the church was lackadaisical, thinking Trump did such a good job and combined with Biden's complete lack of campaigning and obvious ineptitude, it was certain Trump would get in. The left broke all the rules and got away with it (lack of earnest intercession?)
Now we are on the verge of an armed conflict with Russia, and the powers-that-be are hellbent on escalating things.
We are on the road to a nuclear nightmare and all people can do is argue about it. At least that's how I see it.
-
1
- Show all
J
The Democrats rigged the election, just like they did for Obama. As evidenced by the fact that basement dwelling O'Biden got more black votes than Obama.... but let's not argue that point.
I see where you're going with the rest of this and I agree. The Democrats are globalists, and the way they are currently managing things is just proof of their evil anti-Amarican agenda.
I see where you're going with the rest of this and I agree. The Democrats are globalists, and the way they are currently managing things is just proof of their evil anti-Amarican agenda.
-
1
- Show all
Oblio My point exactly . This is what God has to say about the end ,times
Isaiah 3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
5And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.
Isaiah 3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
5And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.
-
1
- Show all
I believe, the only way to convince the nations "the biblical way is the right way" is to demonstrate that it works. And the only way to demonstrate that it works, is for Christians to abide in the biblical way. The problem is, "Christians" don't agree on what the "biblical way" is (and never will)- so the world gets a nebulous conception and/or false conceptions about what exactly the biblical way is. On top of that- there are even still people that would not want to live their lives the biblical way, even if it was perfectly presented to them. In the United States, these people used to be content being allowed to continue in their ways on the margins of society, but now contend for significant power.
I don't really see an end to the 'Gender madness' that is happening any time soon. I will grant that in the early days of the US there were unfair restrictions placed on women, and people with sexuality and identity issues have not always (or ever) really been addressed in the best way. But now the pendulum has swung way too far in the opposite direction. Even if we can turn the pendulum- we still need to be concerned about the risk of allowing it to swing back too far again. If we are wrong, we are WRONG, and it doesn't matter if we stray to the left or stray to the right. The Pharisees were criticized by Jesus for putting unbiblical burdens- artificial requirements and restrictions- on people, and were ultimately destroyed. So we really don't want to be making the same error. When people are put in a box, and the box is duct-taped shut, and kicked, and pushed down the stairs, they become angry; ripping through the box, they proclaim that they are the decider of their own destiny and identity, and anyone that says otherwise can die in agony. It's an understandable reaction that is familiar to me, but is a mistake that can go too far. We understand that God is real the decider, and that there is a box- or perhaps more accurately a vessel that we do need to fit into- but it is an open vessel that allows for growth outside the open end with variation between individuals.
No doubt, the failure of single people to abstain from fornication, and the failure of heterosexual marital relations are the two outstanding natural causes (on top the underlying spiritual causes) of the downward spiral. If the Church would address these things and teach society how to address them, we would see order.
I don't really see an end to the 'Gender madness' that is happening any time soon. I will grant that in the early days of the US there were unfair restrictions placed on women, and people with sexuality and identity issues have not always (or ever) really been addressed in the best way. But now the pendulum has swung way too far in the opposite direction. Even if we can turn the pendulum- we still need to be concerned about the risk of allowing it to swing back too far again. If we are wrong, we are WRONG, and it doesn't matter if we stray to the left or stray to the right. The Pharisees were criticized by Jesus for putting unbiblical burdens- artificial requirements and restrictions- on people, and were ultimately destroyed. So we really don't want to be making the same error. When people are put in a box, and the box is duct-taped shut, and kicked, and pushed down the stairs, they become angry; ripping through the box, they proclaim that they are the decider of their own destiny and identity, and anyone that says otherwise can die in agony. It's an understandable reaction that is familiar to me, but is a mistake that can go too far. We understand that God is real the decider, and that there is a box- or perhaps more accurately a vessel that we do need to fit into- but it is an open vessel that allows for growth outside the open end with variation between individuals.
No doubt, the failure of single people to abstain from fornication, and the failure of heterosexual marital relations are the two outstanding natural causes (on top the underlying spiritual causes) of the downward spiral. If the Church would address these things and teach society how to address them, we would see order.
Christians excel at saying "sexual immorality is bad", I think where there is room for improvement, how we promote chastity. Feminists have been very good at twisting chastity into a religious philosophy that has cause women to have "internalized mysogyny", and other supposedly malicious things. (this is because in general women use sexual immorality as "empowerment" in the same way men use physical force- but sexual immorality is typically not perceived as "violent", because the wake of destruction it leaves behind is somehow attributed to other things). But, I can say with certainty; the reality is that chastity is far more valuable than promiscuity, and that goes for both women and men. The question; why do people not perceive it this way?
I'm also not sure why in America, we insist on wearing the Fig Leaf, when the tunic is better. We'd be better off naked than with the fig leaf. I acknowledge that no amount of exterior modesty is sufficient to prevent and eliminate sexual immorality- but I'll never be foolish enough to believe that modesty does not have a minimizing effect on sexual attraction that brings it into a more refined and controlled course that would at least cause a reduction in sexual immorality overall. And honestly people are far more attractive in a general sense when they appeal to modesty, while sex appeal is cheap and exists everywhere. That's not shaming, it's stating facts.
From my perspective, biblical marital relations and order have nearly collapsed entirely; causing parenting to be delegated to the State. Now the State is failing to correctly fill a role that it was never ordained to fill in the first place. Without starting a debate on what the proper relationship is between a husband and wife, and the proper training of children- I will simply say that it is in the bible, and that we need to get there, and that it is the only correct solution. AND that we need to take a stand on it- and not bend to corporate or state incentives that would give the temporary rewards of error in exchange for our deviation from the truth.
What we can do- essentially what the church's role is- is provide the correct answer and facilitate change for the people that want it. I doubt we will change people by wresting control of the government and trying to force things.- and in a democracy/republic it would be temporary and ineffectual. The Lord himself deals with powers and authorities at his own discretion, and while we sometimes might play a role in that process, our main responsibility is to persuade men. Men can be persuaded by words- but more persuasive is a demonstration of power. So how is the power of God, and the kingdom of heaven manifested, and demonstrated by us towards men?
I'm also not sure why in America, we insist on wearing the Fig Leaf, when the tunic is better. We'd be better off naked than with the fig leaf. I acknowledge that no amount of exterior modesty is sufficient to prevent and eliminate sexual immorality- but I'll never be foolish enough to believe that modesty does not have a minimizing effect on sexual attraction that brings it into a more refined and controlled course that would at least cause a reduction in sexual immorality overall. And honestly people are far more attractive in a general sense when they appeal to modesty, while sex appeal is cheap and exists everywhere. That's not shaming, it's stating facts.
From my perspective, biblical marital relations and order have nearly collapsed entirely; causing parenting to be delegated to the State. Now the State is failing to correctly fill a role that it was never ordained to fill in the first place. Without starting a debate on what the proper relationship is between a husband and wife, and the proper training of children- I will simply say that it is in the bible, and that we need to get there, and that it is the only correct solution. AND that we need to take a stand on it- and not bend to corporate or state incentives that would give the temporary rewards of error in exchange for our deviation from the truth.
What we can do- essentially what the church's role is- is provide the correct answer and facilitate change for the people that want it. I doubt we will change people by wresting control of the government and trying to force things.- and in a democracy/republic it would be temporary and ineffectual. The Lord himself deals with powers and authorities at his own discretion, and while we sometimes might play a role in that process, our main responsibility is to persuade men. Men can be persuaded by words- but more persuasive is a demonstration of power. So how is the power of God, and the kingdom of heaven manifested, and demonstrated by us towards men?
-
1
- Show all