Is there salvation without confessing the sin of choosing the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?
What good does a reward make without salvation?
WHO ARE DENIED HEAVEN-ENTRY?
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Is there salvation without confessing the sin of choosing the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?
What good does a reward make without salvation?
So? Still says nothing about all babies having faith in Jesus at birth.
That is simply something you have made up or adopted and try to pass off as a Biblical truth when it is not.
well but the scripture needs to be answered. I think evangelicalism [I am evangelical] has got it wrong.
Nope it does not say it in that scripture..
(Romans 7:4-6) "Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. {5} For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. {6} But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."
That doesn’t work for babies.
But try John 9:41 which applies to all people.
John 9:41
41Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
Awareness and knowledge of sin causes sin to be imputed to people.
James 4:17
17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Clearly it seems that possessing knowledge of good and evil causes sin to be assigned to someone which babies are obviously exempt from up until an age of accountability.
Now to address the elephant in the room. If knowing what’s right and wrong can cause us to sin, why should we know anything at all?
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I became a believer in Jesus as a child. Yet, I was not a baby. A baby is not a child, just as a child is not an adult. What Jesus is speaking of is our attitudes in this scripture. Children believe and accept and so must all who desire salvation. We are saved by faith and our entire walk is by faith.
Babies do not have the ability to comprehend salvation. You have come to a false understanding of what is being spoken of.
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Avery
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I read your post after I posted. I have never heard anyone saying this verse applies to universal salvation for babies.
They are promoting something that is simply not Biblical... at all.
Claiming all newborns have faith in Jesus is patently preposterous.
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Avery
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Do I understand this correctly> It seems like you are saying something along the lines of being delivered from knowledge here. The verses you are referencing refer to being released from the law, which condemns all of mankind.
Please clarify if I do not understand you.
It is you making the erroneous assumptions and false accusations, which as noted, shows us who your father is.
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Avery
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Ok well here is something else I question. We do not choose what we are born with. We are not born as though created in the garden by God as was mankind as so innocent we are sinless. We really do not have a choice regarding our fallen state. Don't you know that the NT states that sin entered the world through one man> The world, meaning everyone born into it.
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. 13For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. He is a pattern of the One to come.
Romans 5
Well, let's ponder what we know......
We know babies die which is the penalty of sin and they are born under Adam, not Christ. However, there is an age of accountability with God which is 20 years old.
God caused all the Israelites that refused to believe to die in the wilderness and only took Joshua, Caleb and all Israelites that were 19 years old and younger to enter the Promised Land. God also told Moses to only send the men that were 20 years old and older into war.
So, God is holding parents and older family members accountable until the child is 20 years old. We are to train up a child in the way they should go and when they are old they will not depart from it.
If a baby dies and has not had a chance to receive Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord and King, then I believe they still have a chance and all people still have a chance. I believe this because Hell is NOT the END, the Lake of Fire is the END and we know Jesus Christ has the keys to Hades/Hell.
Jesus Christ can go down into Hades/Hell and preach the gospel to all lost souls in there.
Jesus Christ is the ONLY ONE that has the keys to Hades/Hell and I believe He can get lost souls out of there, if they repent and call on His Name. They have no rewards in Heaven but, they get to inherit eternal life and the Kingdom of God.
At the Great White Throne of Judgment, Hades/Hell has to give up their dead and all appear before the throne for judgment. If their name is not found in the Book of Life, they are cast into the Lake of Fire.....that is the END.
If Hell is the END, then why not just through every lost soul into the Lake of Fire instead of Hell?
Hades/Hell is a place of torment but, I do not believe it is the END.
We know babies die which is the penalty of sin and they are born under Adam, not Christ. However, there is an age of accountability with God which is 20 years old.
God caused all the Israelites that refused to believe to die in the wilderness and only took Joshua, Caleb and all Israelites that were 19 years old and younger to enter the Promised Land. God also told Moses to only send the men that were 20 years old and older into war.
So, God is holding parents and older family members accountable until the child is 20 years old. We are to train up a child in the way they should go and when they are old they will not depart from it.
If a baby dies and has not had a chance to receive Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord and King, then I believe they still have a chance and all people still have a chance. I believe this because Hell is NOT the END, the Lake of Fire is the END and we know Jesus Christ has the keys to Hades/Hell.
Jesus Christ can go down into Hades/Hell and preach the gospel to all lost souls in there.
Jesus Christ is the ONLY ONE that has the keys to Hades/Hell and I believe He can get lost souls out of there, if they repent and call on His Name. They have no rewards in Heaven but, they get to inherit eternal life and the Kingdom of God.
At the Great White Throne of Judgment, Hades/Hell has to give up their dead and all appear before the throne for judgment. If their name is not found in the Book of Life, they are cast into the Lake of Fire.....that is the END.
If Hell is the END, then why not just through every lost soul into the Lake of Fire instead of Hell?
Hades/Hell is a place of torment but, I do not believe it is the END.