DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC?

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Sudakar

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Satan is the one who, lying, said God forbids wisdom, knowledge and understanding:

God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
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Satan is the one who, lying, says that eating from the tree will confer knowledge of good from evil.
Satan is the one who, lying, says eating from the tree will make one like God.

God does not say the man and the woman have become like Him.
God does not say the man and the woman know good from evil.
God says this of Adam:

Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil
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God does not say this upon Adam's eating from the tree.
God says this upon Adam's naming Woman 'Eve'

why does Adam change Woman's name?
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1) satan never said God forbids knowledge of Jesus. satan only said God forbids knowledge of good and evil (kge). Don't build stories.

2) "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil", means God had forbidden kge because kge produced guilt & separated them from God (Genesis 3:11).

3) Gen3:20 says Adam called her 'Eve' & not that he changed her name. 'Woman' was common to all women & 'Eve' was specific to her. Don't be confused.

4) Even before Adam named her 'Eve', God said it was the kge which He had forbidden & which produced guilt & separated them from God (Genesis 3:11).
 
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I'm sure you'd be reluctant to consider anything other than the answer you've already committed to yourself but, I will offer another perspective nonetheless.
Perhaps, it might be beyond the historical depictions of Adam and Eve and paintings and such but, perhaps they were never without a 'covering,' before or after, provided by the Lord. Why did He clothed them with the lambskin? What does that bring to your mind?
Who told you they were naked? Do you suppose they were naked because God asked, "who told you you were naked?" as though God was keeping their nakedness as a 'secret' from them? Have you ever considered that they weren't naked but clothed in glory that stirred Satan's jealousy so much that he schemed to strip them of it? And since no one can enter the kingdom without a (wedding) garment, or perhaps "putting on the incorruptible' may be another way of expressing that, it must've been needful they be stripped of that particular glory anyway, seeing that God allowed it, in order that the opportunity be made to put on the incorruptible by accepting that offered by the Lamb of God.

Luke 8:35 and Mark 5:16 give account of the lunatic, "clothed and in his right mind." Have you ever considered (voluntary) nakedness to be a clear sign of insanity?
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1) Perspectives should be scriptural. Scriptures say they weren't clothed.

2) The knowledge of good and evil accused them of being unclothed in God's most holy presence.

3) Lamb skin denotes faith in Christ's merits.

4) satan wanted them to live by their moral sight & not live by faith in Christ's merits.

5) God created humans without clothing & without the knowledge of good and evil. That state is one of wearing the wedding garment.
 
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Sudakar said:
2) "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil", means God had forbidden kge because kge produced guilt & separated them from God (Genesis 3:11).
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God shed blood and covered Adam at this point, and placed angels and a flaming sword to keep the way to the tree of life for him.
that is not a curse. that is great grace and mercy. that is salvation.

God did not say this of Eve, but specifically of Adam, and specifically when Adam changed his wife's name.
your accounting has absolutely no explanation for this, thereby further demonstrating that your understanding is false.
if Satan was correct, as you claim, then God should have said this of both of them, and said it when they ate.
 
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Sudakar said:
God created humans without clothing & without the knowledge of good and evil. That state is one of wearing the wedding garment.
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you're saying being naked & ignorant = wearing clothes & having knowledge?

:LOL::ROFL::LOL::ROFL::LOL::LOL::ROFL:
 
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Sudakar said:
satan only said God forbids knowledge of good and evil
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why does God call knowing good from evil "wisdom" and call wisdom "good" ?

Treasures of wickedness profit nothing,​
but righteousness delivers from death.​
(Proverbs 10:2) ​
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do you believe Satan is correct? that God wants us to be fools without knowledge or understanding?

bruh when you find yourself agreeing with Satan, it's time to check yourself.
 
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Hmm... I never caught this before- I mean, I knew that Adam called her Eve right after this incident- it did seem like a very odd time to be picking a name, but I never questioned it before- but once you question it, the answer seems obvious.
 
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Hmm... I never caught this before- I mean, I knew that Adam called her Eve right after this incident- it did seem like a very odd time to be picking a name, but I never questioned it before- but once you question it, the answer seems obvious.
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Her name has nothing to do with their problem. Even before that God had warned them of the knowledge of good & evil & the consequence it would lead to.
 
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posthuman said:
why does God call knowing good from evil "wisdom" and call wisdom "good" ?

Treasures of wickedness profit nothing,​
but righteousness delivers from death.​
(Proverbs 10:2) ​
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do you believe Satan is correct? that God wants us to be fools without knowledge or understanding?

bruh when you find yourself agreeing with Satan, it's time to check yourself.
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God never calls knowing good from evil as "wisdom" but instead God said that it was the knowledge of good & evil (kge) which produced guilt & separated them from God in Genesis 3:11. So read the chapter.

Proverbs 10:2 has nothing to do with the kge.

You believe satan is correct to have urged humans to disobey God by choosing the forbidden kge. So repent.
 
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you're saying being naked & ignorant = wearing clothes & having knowledge?

:LOL::ROFL::LOL::ROFL::LOL::LOL::ROFL:
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Wearing clothes & disobeying God by having the kge & calling kge as wisdom is not true knowledge of Christ. 😂😅🤣😅😂😅🤣😅😂
 
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God shed blood and covered Adam at this point, and placed angels and a flaming sword to keep the way to the tree of life for him.
that is not a curse. that is great grace and mercy. that is salvation.

God did not say this of Eve, but specifically of Adam, and specifically when Adam changed his wife's name.
your accounting has absolutely no explanation for this, thereby further demonstrating that your understanding is false.
if Satan was correct, as you claim, then God should have said this of both of them, and said it when they ate.
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Being sent out of Eden for forsaking Christ's merits & choosing the forbidden kge is not God's original plan. Firstly understand God's plan.

God never exempted Eve from her responsibility because God cursed her with sorrow at conception, sorrow at childbirth & slavery to Adam.

Bible never says Adam changed her name. Don't eisegete.
 
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what makes you think Satan was telling the truth?
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You say satan was telling the truth. But satan lied saying 'ye shall not die'.

Genesis 3:
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Avoid distortion.
 
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Sudakar said:
forsaking Christ's merits
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here is Christ:

Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.​
(Genesis 3:21) ​
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the man and the woman confessed their sin ((vv 12-13))
God did not curse them - He clothed them, covering them with the shed blood of an innocent lamb
He accepted their repentance and their faith
 
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Sudakar said:
You say satan was telling the truth.. .

Avoid distortion.
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no; you are slandering me again.

i said Satan was lying the whole time.

you say the only thing Satan lied about was that Woman would not die.
 
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Sudakar said:
God cursed her
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God did not curse us.
God became a curse for us

do not despise His chastening ((Proverbs 3:11, Hebrews 12:5))

here is Christ in Genesis 3:

Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.​
(Genesis 3:21)
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this is why Abel offers a lamb in Genesis 4.
God accepts it, saying he has done well.
 
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posthuman said:
God did not curse us.
God became a curse for us

do not despise His chastening ((Proverbs 3:11, Hebrews 12:5))

here is Christ in Genesis 3:

Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.​
(Genesis 3:21)
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this is why Abel offers a lamb in Genesis 4.
God accepts it, saying he has done well.
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1) God cursed humans for disobeying by choosing the forbidden kge. Jesus took our curses upon Himself.

2) You chasten your child by saying "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return"?

3) Coats of skins & Abel's offering are just signs of Jesus's redemption from the kge. So be redeemed.
 
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no; you are slandering me again.

i said Satan was lying the whole time.

you say the only thing Satan lied about was that Woman would not die.
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It was God who said the kge which they had chosen told them they were guilty before God for staying unclothed in God's most holy presence. Gen3:11: "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"
 
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posthuman said:
here is Christ:

Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.​
(Genesis 3:21) ​
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the man and the woman confessed their sin ((vv 12-13))
God did not curse them - He clothed them, covering them with the shed blood of an innocent lamb
He accepted their repentance and their faith
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16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

These were not blessings from God!
 
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Sudakar said:
God cursed humans
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God did not curse humans.

When God cursed someone He says 'you are cursed'

You will find in Genesis 3 that He curses Satan, and for Adam's sake He curses the ground.

Do not despise His chastening. It is good that we work - that's not a curse but for our benefit.
 
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