Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

[FreeGrace2]

Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

This is not honest. You quoted only part of the verse. What you left out actually refutes your claim.

and this (literal) water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

That is the whole verse, which shows that water baptism SYMBOLIZES the (Holy Spirit) baptism that now saves you.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The following was actually posted by YOU:
FreeGrace2 said:
Maintain as you wish but, you can never change scriptures which requires baptism.

You need to have the discernment to understand what "baptism" means.

The Bible describes 7 of them, some real (dry) and some ritual (wet). Did you know that?

Rather, maybe you just don't understand it.

This quote is mine, not yours. Please figure out how to properly format your replies.

That is a coop-out...read God's word....not mine.

I've already shown how you quote part of a verse and leave out what actually REFUTES what you claim.

So, don't tell me to "read God's Word". It is because I DO read God's Word that I am able to catch your sneaky tactics.

 

[FreeGrace2]

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Wow...one can mix and match words as you wish...doesn't change scripture. Faith in God's word.
Baptism is required per scriptures. So please..tell Him His word is not worthy.

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1,2 clarifies 3:22. Please read enough context to understand each verse.

 

[JeffA]

Sometimes I wonder if people want to have an honest discussion or just Troll.

 

[peldom10]

Yes Brother, i have said this many times just as Moses, the Prophets and the Apostles made it also clear = HIS Blood washes us CLEAN" - Amen

Nice to see you got that right.
If no sacrifice, which established grace... then we wouldn't be needing ...baptism...would we? Grace, under which we can repent and be baptized for sin cleansing.

 

[peldom10]

However, John 4:1-2 clarifies 3:22.

1 Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John—
2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples.

It helps to read enough of the context to understand individual verses.

What bible edition are you using?

That doesn't distract from;

Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

et al.

 

[peldom10]

Sometimes I wonder if people want to have an honest discussion or just Troll.

Believe me...some enjoy being a troll.
We see this over and over with Bible language posted with adverse meaning.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

If you'll look at a map of places in the Bible you'll see that from their perspective all of the places were near bodies of water.

Isn't that because we get thirsty?

 

[peldom10]

QUOTE="2ndTimothyGroup, post: 4829799, member: 305370"]Isn't that because we get thirsty?[/QUOTE]

Potable water is not the topic of conversation...yet.
I say ...yet...because we have already seen the attempt to establish Amniotic fluid as a viable baptism means (thereby consenting that baptism is proper);

1. Amniotic Fluid: Development, Functions, Complications
   www.verywellhealth.com/amniotic-fluid-5120311
   Amniotic fluid is a clear to slightly yellow liquid that cushions a fetus within the amniotic sac. The unborn baby floats in amniotic fluid for the duration of a pregnancy. The amniotic fluid constantly circulates as the fetus swallows or "inhales" the amniotic fluid before releasing it by urinating.

Unbelievable.

 

[Magenta]

...also someone on here stated that Christ never baptized anyone. I knew He had and finally found it;

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

Praise God.

John 4:1
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard
that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
John 4:2
(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

John 4:3
He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

 

[peldom10]

Christ was also baptized...I wonder why?...oh yes.....He followed all of God's commandments...as perfect.

 

[Magenta]

Christ was also baptized...I wonder why?...oh yes.....He followed all of God's commandments...as perfect.

Jesus said He was to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness.

 

[Runningman]

Isn't that because we get thirsty?

Yes absolutely. It’s also convenient for the ready assumption that if someone needed to get baptized then there isn’t an excuse for delaying it.

 

[Runningman]

Happy to share again.

1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

The first resurrection is for the saved; those who belong to Him. That's how to get to the first resurrection; belong to Him.

Every believer should easily understand how to "belong to Him". It is through faith in Him.

I’m actually looking for a clear 1 to 1 correlation between some action and being resurrected.

For example, if XYZ thing happens then you get resurrected. I don’t see anything clearly answering this question aside from water baptism. I still maintain that salvation of the soul comes through faith in Chris, but resurrection seems to be closely connected to being baptized.

 

[Duckybill]

"Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection"
No it isn't!

 

[peldom10]

"Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection"
No it isn't!

Do you disagree with ...the first resurrection...or....baptism?

 

[Duckybill]

Do you disagree with ...the first resurrection...or....baptism?

I was baptized in the Name of Jesus, because I was already saved. Not to be saved.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I still maintain that salvation of the soul comes through faith in Chris, but resurrection seems to be closely connected to being baptized.

And you are still refusing to believe the Bible. Since the resurrection of the believer is a key Christian doctrine, you need to get your thinking straight on this matter, or you might end up misleading others. You will not find a single mention of water baptism as a condition for resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15 . Verse 29 speaks of some kind of aberration in the Corinthian church. So if you persist in your error, you are in fact resisting the Holy Spirit.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Yes absolutely. It’s also convenient for the ready assumption that if someone needed to get baptized then there isn’t an excuse for delaying it.

The highest populations have always been by bodies of water, whether it is a lake or the saltwater coast. Seaports are another great example of why people live next to water . . . For importing and exporting. And it's been this way since prior to water baptism.

 

[Runningman]

And you are still refusing to believe the Bible. Since the resurrection of the believer is a key Christian doctrine, you need to get your thinking straight on this matter, or you might end up misleading others. You will not find a single mention of water baptism as a condition for resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15 . Verse 29 speaks of some kind of aberration in the Corinthian church. So if you persist in your error, you are in fact resisting the Holy Spirit.

Did you read the OP?

Water baptism and resurrection are mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:29. Dismiss it as an aberration if you will, but the text doesn’t say it was an aberration in their church. You need it to be an aberration because you don’t believe the scripture.

I take it literally and you dismiss it. Who’s actually resisting God’s Spirit here? It seems you’re being a hypocrite, but want to blame me for it.