Did Adam and Eve eat an apple?

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ewq1938

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We see that the Tree of Life is a 'Her'.

Wrong. The Greek word for tree is in the Neuter form. In translating the KJV translators tended to default to "her" rather than "it" but that doesn't make the tree female. A majority of translations get it right and use "it".
 
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Fun fact...

Adam and his Wife had no reproductive organs before the Fall. Reproductive organs were meant for the Animal Kingdom so that they could 'be fruitful and multiply'.

The Forbidden Fruit changed that.
You're thinking too much about the forbidden fruit, your focus is wrong. That forbidden fruit didn't magically change everything all of a sudden, what was changed all of a sudden was the relationship with God and the kingship over Earth. As soon as they ate it, Satan and his fallen angels got them.
 

SomeDisciple

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Right on.

What I am about to say is my opinion and what I believe from Scripture. It may sound 'New Age', but I ensure you I am getting this from Scripture. I will keep it simple...

Revelation 18:24
"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."


Inside Mystery Babylon, there is Blood. I believe this is literal. She drank it.

Note the phrase 'all that were slain'. I believe all means all. This means that Mystery Babylon drank the Blood of the very first person that was slain. Do you know who that was?
Abel? The earth?
 

ewq1938

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#45
Right on.

What I am about to say is my opinion and what I believe from Scripture. It may sound 'New Age', but I ensure you I am getting this from Scripture. I will keep it simple...

Revelation 18:24
"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."


Inside Mystery Babylon, there is Blood. I believe this is literal. She drank it.

Note the phrase 'all that were slain'. I believe all means all. This means that Mystery Babylon drank the Blood of the very first person that was slain. Do you know who that was?
Babylon is a metaphor for false religion. She isn't a real person nor drank any blood.
 

GaryA

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Lazing around on the couch and indulging in junk food is natural, regular workout and cooking healthy food is unnatural, that takes determination and perseverance. And that's just one analogy of the spiritual fruit.
I understand the point you are making; however, your use of 'natural' is incorrect in the overall sense - that which is 'natural' is that which follows the natural order.

The "junk food" statement may be considered to be 'typical' or 'common' - but, it is not 'natural'. The "healthy food" statement depicts what is 'natural'.

You are confusing 'usual' with 'natural'.

What sin has caused is not 'natural'.

Death and decay are not 'natural'.

However, they are 'usual'.

I know you want to think of it that way because of modern science terminology; however, in the "bigger picture" [of truth], it simply is not so.

The natural order is that which builds, grows, sustains, perpetuates, etc. - 'life'.

Laziness, decay, and death defy the natural order.

Do you understand? Do you see the difference?
 
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Yes! Thank you for that.

Here is the verse that goes with Mystery Babylon drinking the Blood of all who were slain...

Genesis 4:11
"And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;"

It is Earth that drinks the Blood. Therefore, Earth is Mystery Babylon. She is the 'Mother'. No, this is not 'New Age' teachings. This is the Bible teaching this.

Mystery Babylon gives birth... literally.
 
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I understand the point you are making; however, your use of 'natural' is incorrect in the overall sense - that which is 'natural' is that which follows the natural order.

The "junk food" statement may be considered to be 'typical' or 'common' - but, it is not 'natural'. The "healthy food" statement depicts what is 'natural'.

You are confusing 'usual' with 'natural'.

What sin has caused is not 'natural'.

Death and decay are not 'natural'.

However, they are 'usual'.

I know you want to think of it that way because of modern science terminology; however, in the "bigger picture" [of truth], it simply is not so.

The natural order is that which builds, grows, sustains, perpetuates, etc. - 'life'.

Laziness, decay, and death defy the natural order.

Do you understand? Do you see the difference?
I do understand, sedentary lifestyle and junk food is not the natural way of life, but it's the usual way of life. The difference, though, is human agency. That's what Jesus often talked about, be a doer of the Word, not just a hearer.
 

Artios1

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No. This is incorrect.

The Forbidden Fruit is specifically mentioned in the Bible for all to see... in all of it spectacular detail.
You are speculating
No. This is incorrect.

The Forbidden Fruit is specifically mentioned in the Bible for all to see... in all of it spectacular detail.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her [its] fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

You are still speculating…..and without even getting into an explanation of this verse, your speculation falls short with the word Her.

You have accentuated the word HER in your explanation in Revelation on your post #6

That word is gender neuter and singular and would better be translated its rather than her

It is translated almost 3300 x masculine compared to 242 x feminine in the NT
 
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Live4Him2

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Yes! Thank you for that.

Here is the verse that goes with Mystery Babylon drinking the Blood of all who were slain...

Genesis 4:11
"And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;"

It is Earth that drinks the Blood. Therefore, Earth is Mystery Babylon. She is the 'Mother'. No, this is not 'New Age' teachings. This is the Bible teaching this.

Mystery Babylon gives birth... literally.
Earth is definitely NOT "Mystery Babylon".

Btw, didn't you just recently say that Hagar/Jerusalem was "Babylon"?
 

Dino246

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We are not so nigh'eve that your allusion are lost upon us. Speak plainly that we need not guess as, if it is truth then. it should be spoken boldly.
Psst... the word is "naïve"
 
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You are speculating


Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her [its] fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

You are still speculating…..and without even getting into an explanation of this verse, your speculation falls short with the word Her.

You have accentuated the word HER in your explanation in Revelation on your post #6

That word is gender neuter and singular and would better be translated its rather than her

It is translated almost 3300 x masculine compared to 242 x feminine in the NT
I use the KJV as my final say.
 
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Earth is definitely NOT "Mystery Babylon".

Btw, didn't you just recently say that Hagar/Jerusalem was "Babylon"?
This is why we must not move to quickly.

Do you know what the 'Lowest Parts of the Earth' is?
 

Dino246

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Fun fact...

Adam and his Wife had no reproductive organs before the Fall. Reproductive organs were meant for the Animal Kingdom so that they could 'be fruitful and multiply'.
Thanks for exposing your unbiblical position so plainly.
 
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Live4Him2

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This is why we must not move to quickly.

Do you know what the 'Lowest Parts of the Earth' is?
Yes, I do...but I can see that this conversation is headed in a demonically-inspired direction in that you're making some way off-base comments/allegations here.

Later...
 
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Live4Him2

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And with that false accusation, I will end my posting in this thread.

Later to you too.
It wasn't a false accusation.

You've got some off-the-wall beliefs which will never hold up to the scrutiny of rightly-divided scripture.

I don't say that to insult you, but simply because it's true.
 

Gideon300

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Was it the apple that Adam and Eve ate that caused the fall of man or something else?
No, that's a human imagination with no basis whatever. Disobedience caused the fall of man (Romans 5:19). Adam disobeyed God's instruction and the consequences were exactly as God said they would be.
 
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No, that's a human imagination with no basis whatever. Disobedience caused the fall of man (Romans 5:19). Adam disobeyed God's instruction and the consequences were exactly as God said they would be.
Both spiritual death on that literal 24-hour day - and physical death in 1000 years.