Why do so many Churches teach a salvation doctrine opposed the the one Jesus taught?
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I remember years ago my father and I got into a discussion about Grace. He taught and believed in the Grace, men teach, that Grace which they believe is supported by Pauls Epistles. I asked him...Weren't Pauls
epistles founded upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ?....To which he said yes. I then asked him to show me the teachings of Grace in the Gospel of Christ...where Jesus taught Grace, as he believed Paul taught it.
I told him...Take your time, and when you have your answer...call me.
After waiting two weeks I called him, and he told me what I had hoped he would discover. That discover.....Jesus never even used the word Grace in the his Gospel.
I then asked,,,Now if Paul founded his teachings of Grace on the teachings of Jesus Christ.
What did this prove?
Two things...
One...The teachings from Author of Salvation were focused on love.
The teachings in the church are founded upon a definition of Grace...not found anywhere on the lips of our Lord and Savior.
Did Jesus teach Grace?
Absolutely!! But those who try to found their teachings on Pauls epistles, which are founded upon the teachings of Jesus Christ, will not find their teachings of Grace in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Where does Jesus teach Grace?
(John 14:21) is the hub....that makes the wheel go round, and that should be the foundational teaching on Grace.
"Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
epistles founded upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ?....To which he said yes. I then asked him to show me the teachings of Grace in the Gospel of Christ...where Jesus taught Grace, as he believed Paul taught it.
I told him...Take your time, and when you have your answer...call me.
After waiting two weeks I called him, and he told me what I had hoped he would discover. That discover.....Jesus never even used the word Grace in the his Gospel.
I then asked,,,Now if Paul founded his teachings of Grace on the teachings of Jesus Christ.
What did this prove?
Two things...
One...The teachings from Author of Salvation were focused on love.
The teachings in the church are founded upon a definition of Grace...not found anywhere on the lips of our Lord and Savior.
Did Jesus teach Grace?
Absolutely!! But those who try to found their teachings on Pauls epistles, which are founded upon the teachings of Jesus Christ, will not find their teachings of Grace in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Where does Jesus teach Grace?
(John 14:21) is the hub....that makes the wheel go round, and that should be the foundational teaching on Grace.
"Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
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Brother...something for you to ponder.
You have a sin (singular) in your life you struggle with. When you commit this sin..without fail..God punishes you for breaking this Law. Now if you are being punished for breaking this Law, wouldn't that in itself....prove that when you received the Gift of the Holy Spirit, God has placed you under this Law?
Hopefully you can now understand the following, in the context, in which it was written.
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
(Romans 2:12)
You have a sin (singular) in your life you struggle with. When you commit this sin..without fail..God punishes you for breaking this Law. Now if you are being punished for breaking this Law, wouldn't that in itself....prove that when you received the Gift of the Holy Spirit, God has placed you under this Law?
Hopefully you can now understand the following, in the context, in which it was written.
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
(Romans 2:12)
But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.
(Romans 6:17)
What do we come to obey from the heart?
“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”
(Hebrews 10:16)
What does God put on our hearts?
Believe it..or not..it’s the Law!!
(Romans 6:17)
What do we come to obey from the heart?
“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”
(Hebrews 10:16)
What does God put on our hearts?
Believe it..or not..it’s the Law!!
Christians obey this- believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
Jesus said to love the Lord and love you neighbor.
God the Father said when Jesus was transfigured, said in the presence of Moses ( the Law) snd Elijah ( the Prophets), " this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. hear HIM!"
so, the Words of Christ are above the Law and Prophets.
so, try your next judeaizer trick.
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LOL! I should have thought this might happen! I do not like the 5 solas nor do I hold to them. I consider them man's attempts at doctrine rather than abiding by the simple teachings of Scripture.
The post you responded to was after a series of interchanges where I was discussing what I don't like about the 5 solas. Trace the conversations back and you will find it. The last one you responded to was because someone just asked what was meant by a "sola".
The post you responded to was after a series of interchanges where I was discussing what I don't like about the 5 solas. Trace the conversations back and you will find it. The last one you responded to was because someone just asked what was meant by a "sola".
LOL! I should have thought this might happen! I do not like the 5 solas nor do I hold to them. I consider them man's attempts at doctrine rather than abiding by the simple teachings of Scripture.
The post you responded to was after a series of interchanges where I was discussing what I don't like about the 5 solas. Trace the conversations back and you will find it. The last one you responded to was because someone just asked what was meant by a "sola".
The post you responded to was after a series of interchanges where I was discussing what I don't like about the 5 solas. Trace the conversations back and you will find it. The last one you responded to was because someone just asked what was meant by a "sola".
You don't understand the doctrine the Lord Jesus taught in the gospels.
You think you do. But not understanding Paul is the first sign that you DON'T.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Rest from what? What is causing this labour and to be heavily laden?
Matthew 5:20-22
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Its the Law that the Lord Jesus is giving us this rest FROM. It is the Law that is causing people to labour and be heavily laden.
We are no longer under that Law when we come to the Lord Jesus. We are under His Grace.
John 15:4-5
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Understanding this comes by the Holy Spirit. It comes by doing the things the Lord Jesus said to do. Or rather, trying to. And then finding out that you can do nothing without Jesus. Then the scriptures begin to become clear. And this is a gift of God.
You think you do. But not understanding Paul is the first sign that you DON'T.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Rest from what? What is causing this labour and to be heavily laden?
Matthew 5:20-22
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Its the Law that the Lord Jesus is giving us this rest FROM. It is the Law that is causing people to labour and be heavily laden.
We are no longer under that Law when we come to the Lord Jesus. We are under His Grace.
John 15:4-5
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Understanding this comes by the Holy Spirit. It comes by doing the things the Lord Jesus said to do. Or rather, trying to. And then finding out that you can do nothing without Jesus. Then the scriptures begin to become clear. And this is a gift of God.
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Grace you accurately quote, " 2 Timothy 3:16-17, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Unfortunately, for your interpretation/point of view on that Scripture passage is wrong, In fact, you distort it's meaning. You don't want to hear this but, it says 'All Scripture' and definitely not 'Only Scripture. HUGE DIFFERENCE. I agree that all Scripture is God's truth, Bible/Old Testament/New Testament. No question about that.
As an analogy, if a person is studying to be a doctor, the Professor may teach him/her that the study of ALL ANATOMY will help you to be a good doctor. But that's surely not the same as saying ONLY the study of Anatomy will help you be a good doctor. NOT THE SAME AT ALL.
But you are trying to get the Scripture to say ONLY SCRIPTURE and it clearly does not. Paul clearly tells us that Sola Scriptura is not true in 2 Thessalonians :15, So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. For sure Paul is telling us that the unwritten traditions are truth also.
Furthermore, according to the apostle Paul, in 1 Timothy 3:15, the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. The Church is the very foundation upon which the Truth rests.
Grace, you are trying to distort God's word that 'All Scripture' and make us believe that it should read 'Only Scripture' and it doesn't, It clearly doesn't.
Scripture, Paul, and the Bible clearly indicate that Sola Scriptura is not true.
Unfortunately, for your interpretation/point of view on that Scripture passage is wrong, In fact, you distort it's meaning. You don't want to hear this but, it says 'All Scripture' and definitely not 'Only Scripture. HUGE DIFFERENCE. I agree that all Scripture is God's truth, Bible/Old Testament/New Testament. No question about that.
As an analogy, if a person is studying to be a doctor, the Professor may teach him/her that the study of ALL ANATOMY will help you to be a good doctor. But that's surely not the same as saying ONLY the study of Anatomy will help you be a good doctor. NOT THE SAME AT ALL.
But you are trying to get the Scripture to say ONLY SCRIPTURE and it clearly does not. Paul clearly tells us that Sola Scriptura is not true in 2 Thessalonians :15, So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. For sure Paul is telling us that the unwritten traditions are truth also.
Furthermore, according to the apostle Paul, in 1 Timothy 3:15, the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. The Church is the very foundation upon which the Truth rests.
Grace, you are trying to distort God's word that 'All Scripture' and make us believe that it should read 'Only Scripture' and it doesn't, It clearly doesn't.
Scripture, Paul, and the Bible clearly indicate that Sola Scriptura is not true.
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Sola Scriptura is completely non Biblical. In itself it is completely a man made tradition and nothing more:
The phrase Sola Scriptura originated out of the 16th century Protestant Reformation. Sola Scriptura is one of the Five Solas. The Five Solas are statements that became the slogans of the Reformation and are now seen as core tenets of the faith.
Going back to Sola Scriptura for example, Jesus never said sola scriptura in any gospel. Paul, Peter, James and John never wrote sola scriptura. The Apostolic Church, since the first century never said sola scriptura. Sola scriptura was a man made tradition from the Protestant Reformation.
The funny thing about the doctrine of Sola Scripture is that it is an oxymoron. It claims 'Scripture Only' but the very idea of Sola Scriptura is a man made tradition and not Scriptural at all.
The phrase Sola Scriptura originated out of the 16th century Protestant Reformation. Sola Scriptura is one of the Five Solas. The Five Solas are statements that became the slogans of the Reformation and are now seen as core tenets of the faith.
Going back to Sola Scriptura for example, Jesus never said sola scriptura in any gospel. Paul, Peter, James and John never wrote sola scriptura. The Apostolic Church, since the first century never said sola scriptura. Sola scriptura was a man made tradition from the Protestant Reformation.
The funny thing about the doctrine of Sola Scripture is that it is an oxymoron. It claims 'Scripture Only' but the very idea of Sola Scriptura is a man made tradition and not Scriptural at all.
None of those you mention are greater than GOD and NOW faith Is what GOD sees when he decides If we will receive grace AND once a person has been justified by GOD In CHRIST GOD equips them and they WOULDN'T want to do those things.Why would I steal from my neighbor If I have been given fruit of the SPIRIT.
Galatians 5:17-23
King James Version
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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Titus 2:11-12
King James Version
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Galatians 5:17-23
King James Version
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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Titus 2:11-12
King James Version
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
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