Where are all the real Christian men??
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Preaching to the choir brother... I left 21yrs of drunken batsh!t crazy anti-Christian adultery in another state... My kid was the only reason the marriage lasted that long. And I didn't say YOU were ganging up on anyone. Everyone knows churches are full of hypocrites, but I can't think of a better place for them 
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Preaching to the choir brother... I left 21yrs of drunken batsh!t crazy anti-Christian adultery in another state... My kid was the only reason the marriage lasted that long. And I didn't say YOU were ganging up on anyone. Everyone knows churches are full of hypocrites, but I can't think of a better place for them
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Preaching to the choir brother... I left 21yrs of drunken batsh!t crazy anti-Christian adultery in another state... My kid was the only reason the marriage lasted that long. And I didn't say YOU were ganging up on anyone. Everyone knows churches are full of hypocrites, but I can't think of a better place for them
Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
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When did it become your job to evaluate her spiritual state?
You can't even find one single church that you can tolerate.
Ahem... Sorry. I been listening to Lecrae last night and now everything in my head is rhyming. >.>
Fortunately the one who IS in charge of judging her has a lot more love than you been showing.
You can't even find one single church that you can tolerate.
Ahem... Sorry. I been listening to Lecrae last night and now everything in my head is rhyming. >.>
Fortunately the one who IS in charge of judging her has a lot more love than you been showing.
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At the end of the day this forum is all just ones and zeros. ChristianTonyB's opinion or Gojira's opinion or my opinion... They're all just random opinions from people you will never meet, posted in an internet forum with a Christian theme and Christian rules of conduct.
It will only matter to you if you think it matters. If you consider it as just a forum of random people, there's no reason why any of it should matter.
It will only matter to you if you think it matters. If you consider it as just a forum of random people, there's no reason why any of it should matter.
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I haven't read every post, nor do I have the time to do so. The ones I read indicate that she was abused. Is that sexual unfaithfulness? No, but abuse is one of those areas that I think are too close for me to call. If you want to do so, be my guest. But, I don't think it's appropriate for me to drop such hard judgments on someone. I'll let that person and God deal with it.
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Apart from personal observation, a number of surveys have indicated this. In Australia, regular church attendance is defined as going once a month. I've been a member of a evangelical Baptist church, Pentecostal, where I was youth leader and a Charismatic Baptist church. Of course, the actual percentage of the congregation born again will vary.
Billy Graham reportedly said that he would be delighted if 4% of the people who "made a decision" were genuine. I was one who "made a decision" that did not stick. It was about 5 years later that I was actually born again.
I went to all kinds of meetings in my early Christian life. I was in the military and moved around a great deal. I went to a Pentecostal church. One evening, an evangelist preached. The Pastor asked him why he preached in churches. He said it was the easiest way to get a few hundred unbelievers together in one place.
When you consider the typical "gospel" message preached, it's not surprising that many supposed conversions are not real. Also, a large percentage of church attenders go as a result of family. This is becoming less common in Australia as people gravitate to Christian entertainment venues. Traditional congregations are literally dying out. But going to church because your parents did does not mean that you are born again.
Billy Graham reportedly said that he would be delighted if 4% of the people who "made a decision" were genuine. I was one who "made a decision" that did not stick. It was about 5 years later that I was actually born again.
I went to all kinds of meetings in my early Christian life. I was in the military and moved around a great deal. I went to a Pentecostal church. One evening, an evangelist preached. The Pastor asked him why he preached in churches. He said it was the easiest way to get a few hundred unbelievers together in one place.
When you consider the typical "gospel" message preached, it's not surprising that many supposed conversions are not real. Also, a large percentage of church attenders go as a result of family. This is becoming less common in Australia as people gravitate to Christian entertainment venues. Traditional congregations are literally dying out. But going to church because your parents did does not mean that you are born again.
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Remember when "Christians" started carrying picket signs that said "God hates fags" and "Thank God for dead soldiers" and showing up at any event where they thought they could get a lot of publicity? Did that make the news over in your country?
How did you feel when you heard about it? Did you feel pity for them, or for the people they were yelling at? Or did you wish you had the money for a plane ticket so you could join them?
How did you feel when you heard about it? Did you feel pity for them, or for the people they were yelling at? Or did you wish you had the money for a plane ticket so you could join them?
Some people get saved as a result of a marriage breakup. Some people are unequally yoked and the other party pulls out. I am appalled at the negativity thrown around by some Christians. Marriage break up is not the unpardonable sin, neither is adultery for that matter. Remarriage is something for the individual to work out between them and God. The other extreme is the worldly view that "marriage is for as long as it suits me", but I don't know too many Christians who take that view.
I keep in mind how God dealt with the adulterous murderer, King David. God did not take his life, even though that was the punishment laid down by the Law. David paid a terrible price, but it was also the child of adultery that ascended the throne.
As far as "eligible", I could have explained that better. I was thinking of the older age groups. I got into the Christian singles scene after my marriage failed. I gave up after while. I suppose it was not important enough to me.
I keep in mind how God dealt with the adulterous murderer, King David. God did not take his life, even though that was the punishment laid down by the Law. David paid a terrible price, but it was also the child of adultery that ascended the throne.
As far as "eligible", I could have explained that better. I was thinking of the older age groups. I got into the Christian singles scene after my marriage failed. I gave up after while. I suppose it was not important enough to me.
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Yep, I agree, but with a couple of caveats if I may, please?
I believe that eligibility for remarriage is not just down to the two people involved, it's also the responsibility of the pastor that might oversee the marriage agreement, and other members of the church where the couple will be fellowshipping, to make sure married couples within their fellowship are properly (have a right to be) married. If one part of the body has a spiritual disease, the whole body is affected. An adulterous relationship within the church, no doubt you will agree, is a serious disease.
Scripture indicates that God will have mercy on whomever He wishes, and conversely He will withhold mercy from whomever He wishes. Yes, He had mercy for David, but David was an exceptional case, ie a man God regarded for most part as being one after His own heart, in tune with Him, and who He had put in charge over His chosen people. I fear some people have broken their marriage vows erroneously believing if they confess that error to God they are good to go and jump into another relationship. That in my opinion, for most of us would be a self-destructive assumption and decision to take.
But besides eligibility for remarriage, there's also a need to assess suitability for marriage too. I, like you, also couldn't find any lady in the church singles groups I socialised with that I was prepared to put my trust in. Their loyalty seemed to be towards their denominational culture first, and Jesus a distant second. Many were divorcees, and most seemed to pay out on their exxes often, and not fess up to the fact that their own shortcomings would have helped bring the marriage down. For most it was all their exxes fault that their previous marriage failed. You'd wonder how much bad baggage they would therefore still be carrying, and you would have to think, probably a lot! So in my opinion they were not suitable for marriage, even if they were technically eligible. That problem was with men and women by the way. That was my personal experience!
I believe that eligibility for remarriage is not just down to the two people involved, it's also the responsibility of the pastor that might oversee the marriage agreement, and other members of the church where the couple will be fellowshipping, to make sure married couples within their fellowship are properly (have a right to be) married. If one part of the body has a spiritual disease, the whole body is affected. An adulterous relationship within the church, no doubt you will agree, is a serious disease.
Scripture indicates that God will have mercy on whomever He wishes, and conversely He will withhold mercy from whomever He wishes. Yes, He had mercy for David, but David was an exceptional case, ie a man God regarded for most part as being one after His own heart, in tune with Him, and who He had put in charge over His chosen people. I fear some people have broken their marriage vows erroneously believing if they confess that error to God they are good to go and jump into another relationship. That in my opinion, for most of us would be a self-destructive assumption and decision to take.
But besides eligibility for remarriage, there's also a need to assess suitability for marriage too. I, like you, also couldn't find any lady in the church singles groups I socialised with that I was prepared to put my trust in. Their loyalty seemed to be towards their denominational culture first, and Jesus a distant second. Many were divorcees, and most seemed to pay out on their exxes often, and not fess up to the fact that their own shortcomings would have helped bring the marriage down. For most it was all their exxes fault that their previous marriage failed. You'd wonder how much bad baggage they would therefore still be carrying, and you would have to think, probably a lot! So in my opinion they were not suitable for marriage, even if they were technically eligible. That problem was with men and women by the way. That was my personal experience!
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What I mean is, are you more interested in saving people or excoriating them?
The only people Jesus beat over their conversational heads were the Pharisees, and that was because they were so confident in their own righteousness that they felt they had it made, and they thought they could police everybody else's spiritual lives.
How did Jesus talk to sinners? "It's not the people who are well, but the people who are sick that need a doctor."
Having a perfect church is like having a spotless hospital. It's pretty, but totally useless. A real church is very imperfect, but it sure does a lot of good. Maybe you should find one and get to know the people there. It would be a lot more productive than yelling at people you despise on an internet forum.
The only people Jesus beat over their conversational heads were the Pharisees, and that was because they were so confident in their own righteousness that they felt they had it made, and they thought they could police everybody else's spiritual lives.
How did Jesus talk to sinners? "It's not the people who are well, but the people who are sick that need a doctor."
Having a perfect church is like having a spotless hospital. It's pretty, but totally useless. A real church is very imperfect, but it sure does a lot of good. Maybe you should find one and get to know the people there. It would be a lot more productive than yelling at people you despise on an internet forum.
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