Holocaust Remembrance Day, Why?

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Holocaust Remembrance Day. Why?

Last week, From April 26 to 27, The world celebrated "Yom HaShoah" (Holocaust Remembrance Day) People celebrated the remembrance of the Holocaust, commonly known as "Shoah". It was (and still is) a time to remember with sadness the time that more than 6,000,000 Jewish men, women, and children were slaughtered without mercy by the Nazi regime under Adolf Hitler between the years 1933 and 1945.

We might ask what is 6,000,000 like? Imagine the state of Massachusetts or the country of El Salvador void of people? You walk from North to South, from East to West without finding one living soul. That is what a loss of 6,000,000 people would be like. Both places have a population of a bit over that, but not more than 7,000,000.

January 30, 1933, was when Adolf Hitler came to power and already had in his mind to wipe out a certain unwanted and inferior "race" called the "Jews" Interesting to note that there is only "one race" in this world which God created, and that race is the "human race". Within the "human race" there are many, many "people groups" with different physical characteristics like skin color, eye, and nose shapes, language, and social-religious customs, yet still only "one race". May 8th, 1945 we can say was when the Holocaust ended when the allied forces won the war against Nazi Germany and liberated the death camps, and rescued the remaining occupants of those camps.

Yet we need to also remember that the Holocaust was not the first time violence had played a cruel role against the "Chosen People." The Inquisition of Europe also took millions of innocent lives, not only Jewish but anyone opposed to the Catholic Church between the years 1184 and 1834. So, how many millions of innocent lives were lost during these times? only God knows for sure the exact number. He maintains an accurate record and will have "payback" during the Great White Throne Judgment of the future.

Some may ask; "But why the Jewish people?" Why did God allow this to happen to His chosen people? There is not a simple answer. We might have several answers, but how accurate would those answers be? Whatever the answers, they might stir up hornet nests and high winds with rough seas.

One very wrong answer is; "The Jews were punished for crucifying Jesus on the cross!" The reason that this is very wrong is that it was the plan of the Father since the beginning of the world. When Adam sinned, the Creator would have to send a "Second Adam" to pay the price of sin. The only way would be to send a "Second Adam" who would be sinless and perfect. This could only be "God in the flesh" or the "Son of God". He would be the "Lamb of God" who would take away the sin of the world. He would bring "Yeshuah" (Salvation) to the whole world who would trust in His one-time-only sacrifice.

Yeshua/Jesus said that "No man takes my life, I give it up freely" (John 10:18) So, no one "Killed Jesus" really. However, we can look at this in the following way; A group of religious Jewish leaders brought false accusations against Yeshua, they brought him to the Roman leaders. The Roman soldiers drove the nails into his hands and feet, yet our SINS held him fast to the cross. So, why have the Jews suffered so much since then? if this was part of the plan of God?

The people cried out when Pilate wished to set Yeshua free, "Let his blood be upon us and on our children" (Matt 27:25). We can take this in two ways. Some believe that this statement brought not so much punishment and vengeance, as it brought reconciliation. The blood of Yeshua brought reconciliation, yes, to all who would believe. Yet the shed blood of innocent Abel asked for vengeance.

The other belief is that because of rejection and unbelief of Yeshua as chosen Messiah, the departing of the Way of the Torah, of the Truth, and following of ways of the world and sin, this would bring perilous times and "times of trouble" upon the chosen people. A blessed people can not be cursed unless those same people bring a curse upon themselves. Could that be a meaning of Matt 27:25?

Satan wanted so much for the Jewish people to be extinguished so that Messiah Yeshua could not be born. Yet he failed, because Yeshua came into the world to pay the price of sin, yet he still instigates the lost world to attack the people of God in many ways. There will come a day when ALL followers of our One True God will suffer persecution. Will we be ready? to endure?

We must also understand that there is always a remnant of believers even among the Jewish People, those who accept and embrace Yeshua as Messiah and LORD. Elijah was not alone, God told him that there were still 7000 people who were still faithful to Him, and had not bowed the knee to Ba'al.

So, at this time, we should lift up our voices to the KING of kings and LORD of Lords and say: "Never Again should this happen" That there should never again be such a Holocaust against God's chosen people, nor against "any" people group.


Shalom

Ben Avraham
 

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One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder:
How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust?
Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
protect His chosen people like in the book of Esther?

To find an answer one need look no further than Ex 34:6-7, Lev 26:3-38,
Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69. In other words: the Jews, as a corporate
people, brought it on themselves in accordance with the covenant that their
ancestors agreed upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy.

A covenant is essentially a contract. Well; if God were to fail to fulfill His end
of the agreement; then He would be in breach of contract; which is not only
unethical, but also uncivil. Long story short: the covenant requires Him to
lower the boom on His people for failure to honor their end of the
agreement; and you can see the extent of the damage for yourself in the
scripture references in the above paragraph.

There are numerous blessings that God is contractually obligated to fulfill
too; so the covenant isn't all one-sided; viz: compliance with the covenant
accrues blessings; while breaching the covenant accrues curses. Anybody
who has read the Old Testament can attest that God came down on His own
people quite often for breaching the covenant; and just as often quite
cruelly. The curses that Lev 26:3 38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69 list
are very disturbing; and when examining them, one cannot help but realize
they're reading a synopsis of the Jews' biblical history.

The status of God's chosen people has its advantages; but also its
disadvantages; viz: the status of God's chosen people is not something to be
proud of; but rather, something to be afraid of because the covenant's God
is not the kind of judge influenced by favoritism. No; if anything, Moses'
people run the risk of being judged even more severely than Gentiles
because of their privileged position and the insider's knowledge they were
given of His likes and dislikes.

Amos 3:1-2 . . Hear this word that The Lord has spoken against you, O
children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land
of Egypt, saying: You only have I known of all the families of the earth:
therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

This is an ancient principle illustrated not only in the Jews' history, but also
taught by Christianity.

Luke 12:47-48 . .That servant who knows his master's will and does not
get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many
blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving
punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been
given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been
entrusted with much, much more will be required.
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FAQ: Do you mean to say there are actually Christians out there believing it was the
Jews' own fault that they were rounded up like cattle, stripped of their dignity, their
property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved, starved, deprived of basic
human necessities, tortured, subjected to Frankenstein medical experiments, worked to
death, and gassed, shot, and incinerated by the millions?

REPLY: If the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God is binding; then yes;
the Jews, as a corporate people, are definitely at fault for what happened to them.

The covenant obligates God to protect them from misfortune when they're compliant
with it; but the same time the covenant also obligates Him to lower the boom on them
when they're not compliant with it. There's really no mystery to this: it's all spelled out in
black and white at Ex 34:6-7, Lev 26:14-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:15-69. (cf.
Deut 29:14-28)

If there is only one good thing to come out of the Holocaust is that it proves to the world
that God is reliable, viz: He can be trusted to honor His commitments.

FAQ: How can it possibly be that God would cause an event whose collateral damage
led to the deaths of all those other people too besides the Jews?

REPLY: We're not saying God engineered the Holocaust. All we're saying is: He stood
by and did nothing to prevent a number of His own people being taken in it. In other
words: the essential thing that Moses' people brought upon themselves was the loss of
God's providence. I think God took advantage of Hitler's agenda as an opportunity; viz:
a convenient means of throwing His people to the wolves like He did in the Old
Testament with Nebuchadnezzar.
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Holocaust Remembrance Day. Why?

Last week, From April 26 to 27, The world celebrated "Yom HaShoah" (Holocaust Remembrance Day) People celebrated the remembrance of the Holocaust, commonly known as "Shoah". It was (and still is) a time to remember with sadness the time that more than 6,000,000 Jewish men, women, and children were slaughtered without mercy by the Nazi regime under Adolf Hitler between the years 1933 and 1945.

We might ask what is 6,000,000 like? Imagine the state of Massachusetts or the country of El Salvador void of people? You walk from North to South, from East to West without finding one living soul. That is what a loss of 6,000,000 people would be like. Both places have a population of a bit over that, but not more than 7,000,000.

January 30, 1933, was when Adolf Hitler came to power and already had in his mind to wipe out a certain unwanted and inferior "race" called the "Jews" Interesting to note that there is only "one race" in this world which God created, and that race is the "human race". Within the "human race" there are many, many "people groups" with different physical characteristics like skin color, eye, and nose shapes, language, and social-religious customs, yet still only "one race". May 8th, 1945 we can say was when the Holocaust ended when the allied forces won the war against Nazi Germany and liberated the death camps, and rescued the remaining occupants of those camps.

Yet we need to also remember that the Holocaust was not the first time violence had played a cruel role against the "Chosen People." The Inquisition of Europe also took millions of innocent lives, not only Jewish but anyone opposed to the Catholic Church between the years 1184 and 1834. So, how many millions of innocent lives were lost during these times? only God knows for sure the exact number. He maintains an accurate record and will have "payback" during the Great White Throne Judgment of the future.

Some may ask; "But why the Jewish people?" Why did God allow this to happen to His chosen people? There is not a simple answer. We might have several answers, but how accurate would those answers be? Whatever the answers, they might stir up hornet nests and high winds with rough seas.

One very wrong answer is; "The Jews were punished for crucifying Jesus on the cross!" The reason that this is very wrong is that it was the plan of the Father since the beginning of the world. When Adam sinned, the Creator would have to send a "Second Adam" to pay the price of sin. The only way would be to send a "Second Adam" who would be sinless and perfect. This could only be "God in the flesh" or the "Son of God". He would be the "Lamb of God" who would take away the sin of the world. He would bring "Yeshuah" (Salvation) to the whole world who would trust in His one-time-only sacrifice.

Yeshua/Jesus said that "No man takes my life, I give it up freely" (John 10:18) So, no one "Killed Jesus" really. However, we can look at this in the following way; A group of religious Jewish leaders brought false accusations against Yeshua, they brought him to the Roman leaders. The Roman soldiers drove the nails into his hands and feet, yet our SINS held him fast to the cross. So, why have the Jews suffered so much since then? if this was part of the plan of God?

The people cried out when Pilate wished to set Yeshua free, "Let his blood be upon us and on our children" (Matt 27:25). We can take this in two ways. Some believe that this statement brought not so much punishment and vengeance, as it brought reconciliation. The blood of Yeshua brought reconciliation, yes, to all who would believe. Yet the shed blood of innocent Abel asked for vengeance.

The other belief is that because of rejection and unbelief of Yeshua as chosen Messiah, the departing of the Way of the Torah, of the Truth, and following of ways of the world and sin, this would bring perilous times and "times of trouble" upon the chosen people. A blessed people can not be cursed unless those same people bring a curse upon themselves. Could that be a meaning of Matt 27:25?

Satan wanted so much for the Jewish people to be extinguished so that Messiah Yeshua could not be born. Yet he failed, because Yeshua came into the world to pay the price of sin, yet he still instigates the lost world to attack the people of God in many ways. There will come a day when ALL followers of our One True God will suffer persecution. Will we be ready? to endure?

We must also understand that there is always a remnant of believers even among the Jewish People, those who accept and embrace Yeshua as Messiah and LORD. Elijah was not alone, God told him that there were still 7000 people who were still faithful to Him, and had not bowed the knee to Ba'al.

So, at this time, we should lift up our voices to the KING of kings and LORD of Lords and say: "Never Again should this happen" That there should never again be such a Holocaust against God's chosen people, nor against "any" people group.


Shalom

Ben Avraham
i would ask yourself, what the Jewish People doing and not doing Today, especially in Israel, whereby the LORD is currently gathering the nations to bring against Her.

Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

Concerning the Israel of Elohim, have you never read what our LORD said: "what Elohim has put together let no man seperate."
 

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FAQ: Supposing there is no one to blame for the loss of Jewish life in the
Holocaust but the Jews themselves? If so; then how many of them would've
had to breach the covenant to put them all in so much danger?

REPLY: It's surprising how few Jews it takes to ruin it for all the rest. For
example the incident at Ai in the 7th chapter of Joshua. The insubordination
of one insignificant Jewish man-- just one --caused God to stop assisting
Joshua's army in battle. As a result, 36 men were needlessly killed in action;
and ultimately capital punishment was inflicted upon not only the
insubordinate man himself, but also his sons and his daughters. God's
accusation? "Israel has sinned" (Josh 7:11)

See that? God didn't accuse the perpetrator; no; He accused Israel. In other
words: in that particular incident; the sin of just one Jew under Joshua's
command became the sin of all the Jews under his command; viz: the whole
kit and caboodle-- lock, stock, and barrel; and Israel could proceed no
further with its conquest of Canaan until the guilty man was executed.

And then there's this incident:

2Sam 21:1 . . Now there was a famine in the days of David for three
years, year after year; and David sought the presence of the Lord. And the
Lord said: It is for Saul and his bloody house, because he put the Gibeonites
to death.

Joshua agreed to a non-aggression pact with the Gibeonites during the
conquest of Canaan (Josh 9:3-16). Saul, when king, dishonored the pact. He
apparently got away with it; but not his countrymen, no; God slammed them
for what Saul did; and that posthumously..

I can't imagine what just one Jew would have to do in order to bring about
the deaths of six million of his fellows; but if a whole bunch of them
throughout the world were breaching the covenant all at the same time, I
guess that could become a sort of force-multiplier.

Another possibility is that the generation caught by the Holocaust, was
caught not only due to their own breaches of the covenant, but also due to
breaches committed by generations preceding them.

Ex 34:6-7 . . Then The Lord passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed:
The Lord, The Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and
abounding in loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for
thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no
means leave the guilty unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the
children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.

That statement is included in the covenant, so God is morally obligated to
honor it lest He be found in breach of contract. But it just goes to show that
sins have a way of snow-balling from one generation to the next till the
snowball is so big that it triggers an act of God; which is disturbing because
it tells me that it's not impossible that the Jews of today are endangering the
Jews of tomorrow by their current breaches of the covenant-- breaches that
according to Ex 34:6-7, God will by no means sweep under the rug.

Wouldn't it be awful if the next Holocaust took place right inside the Jews'
own homeland? I sincerely believe that Saddam Hussein's SCUDS were a
wake-up call. Next time; incoming missiles just may contain nuclear
warheads instead of high explosives; and many among Moses' people will be
poisoned to death with radiation instead of pesticide.

* According to stats I found online: as of May 04, 2022, the State of Israel
has experienced 4,082,961 cases of Covid resulting in 10,699 deaths;
and a very large percentage of those cases are fully vaccinated. Why hasn't
their God's covenanted providence been protecting His people from this new
disease?

I believe it's okay to pity the Jews per Lam 1:12; but I do not believe it is
appropriate to let them get away with playing the victim all the time; the
meanwhile diverting attention away from their own chronic failure to honor
the covenant in a manner consistent with God's requirements.
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FAQ: If true that the Jews, as a people, brought the Holocaust upon
themselves in accordance with the language of the covenant that their
ancestors agreed upon with God; then why don't they own up to it instead of
always going about playing the victim and acting so indignant?

REPLY: Well; sad to say: the Jewish people, on the whole, are famous for
their obtuse attitudes; not only in the Bible; but in real life too. It's so
common and so chronic that we're forced to conclude that their attitudes are
actually quite systemic. Finding a Jew who will admit they are wrong--
wrong about anything --is like searching for the Loch Ness monster and the
lost city of Atlantis.

The average John Que and Jane Doe Jew is so defensive, so reactive, so
stiff-necked, so adamant, so self-righteous, so arrogant, and so infected with
a chosen-people superiority complex; that they simply cannot tolerate
criticism; not even criticism coming straight from the mouth of the very God
with whom they boast an elite association; for example:

Zech 7:11-12 . . But they refused to listen; and they turned a rebellious
shoulder; and they made their ears heavy, not to hear. And they made their
heart [as hard] as a shamir, [in order] not to listen to the Torah and to the
words that the Lord of Hosts sent, through His spirit by the earlier prophets.
And there was great anger from the Lord of Hosts.

Dan 9:5-6 . .We have sinned and have dealt iniquitously; we have dealt
wickedly and have rebelled, turning away from Your commandments and
from Your ordinances.

Dan 9:10-11 . .And we have not hearkened to the voice of the Lord our
God, to follow His teachings, which He placed before us by the hand of His
servants, the prophets. And all Israel have transgressed Your teaching,
turning away, not heeding Your voice, and the curse and the oath, which are
written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have befallen us, for we
have sinned against Him.

Jews have been playing the victim card for decades, and getting away with it
too; so it really riles them whenever somebody dares to suggest that the
misfortunes that have overtaken them down through the years, as well as
the problems that plague them right now, are due to exactly what Daniel
and Zechariah said. For example:

The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God requires Him to
preserve peace in the land of Israel when His people are compliant. Well; the
land has been in a state of war since the day of its inception in 1948 and
nobody is safe over there; and were Israel not allied with the USA and
Britain, I fear the Arab world would crush it practically overnight.

The covenant also obligates God to restore Israel's borders when they are
compliant. Well; the State of Israel doesn't even have control over the
Temple Mount let alone its covenanted borders.

The covenant also obligates God to provide the State of Israel with abundant
rain when the people are compliant. Well; if not for bore holes, recycled
sewage, and reclaimed gray water; Israel wouldn't have much of an
agriculture. Alas, the historical Jordan River has been reduced to a toxic
trickle of its former self because so much water is pumped out of it for
irrigation.
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Desalination has ecome an important source of water in Israel. However,
that process is a desperate measure; and Israel won't need it when God's
covenanted providence takes the reins in that land.

Isa 35:6-7 . .Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the
desert. The burning sand will become a pool, the thirsty ground bubbling
springs. In the haunts where jackals once lay, grass and reeds and papyrus
will grow.

Much of Israel today remains a barren, seriously dehydrated desert. When
God's providence kicks in, the entire country will become arable.

Isa 35:21-2 . .The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness
will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will
rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the
splendor of Carmel and Sharon; they will see the glory of The Lord, the
excellency of our God.

Lebanon's glory of old was timber; especially cedars (1Kng 4:33). Sharon
was known for its flowers (Song 2:1) and Carmel for its orchards (Isa 33:9).
How God will get timber, flowers, and orchards to flourish in the Negev
should be interesting.
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A number of observant Jews sincerely believe that the deaths of six million
of their fellows via German atrocities during the second world war satisfied
certain teachings and predictions in the 53rd chapter of Isaiah's prophecy. A
rabbinic interpretation of that chapter proposes, in so many words, that the
fate of God's people at the hands of Hitler's minions accomplished the
salvation of the world.

The interpretation is a bit involved so I won't go into it here; but suffice to
say that the interpretation provides, for some, the only rational explanation
as to why God stood by and did nothing to prevent so many of His own
people from being rounded up like cattle, stripped of their dignity, their
property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved, starved,
malnourished, deprived of basic human necessities, tortured, subjected to
Frankenstein medical experiments, worked to death, and gassed, shot, and
incinerated by the millions by Nazi mad men.

The error of that interpretation is so obvious that it's almost below me to
point it out; to wit: Judaism regards human sacrifice as a breach of the
covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God; and also sincerely
believes that human sacrifice is an abomination.

There are astute Bible scholars of the opinion that the Jewish genocide of the
last century was only a taste of one to come in the future when a super
powerful political figure, known to just about everybody as the anti-Christ,
will target God's people with another mass extinction. They say his won't be
confined to Europe like the last one, but will encompass the entire globe so
that Jews won't be safe anywhere on the planet.

Those scholars also believe that the present State of Israel isn't permanent;
but that it will be conquered and the Jews lose control of their homeland all
over again. I don't know for myself whether those scholars are right, but if
they are, then it would appear that the future of God's people at this point in
time is looking mighty grim, to say the least.
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Yeshua/Jesus said that "No man takes my life, I give it up freely" (John 10:18) So, no one "Killed Jesus" really.
Luke 24:20
Our chief priests and rulers delivered Him up to the sentence of death, and they crucified Him.


Acts 2:23
He was delivered up by God's set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by
the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross.


1 Thessalonians 2 : 14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea
are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have
of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and
they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they
might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
 

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I think if there is cause to remember, I don't think it should be myopic.

Many different nationalities, faiths, people were victims of the Holocaust.

For my part I don't recognize 9-11 Rememberance Day, Kennedy's Assassination Day, or any other.
I think it only serves to corrupt that new day by reviving the date evil made a mark upon it in the past.

I live in this moment God graced me with. I think I'm to learn from the past that is over and done with. Not carry it as baggage and allow darkness to keep its legacy alive once a day in the future forever .

Same reason I wear a tiny dove pendant and not a cross.
 
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I think if there is cause to remember, I don't think it should be myopic.

Many different nationalities, faiths, people were victims of the Holocaust.

For my part I don't recognize 9-11 Rememberance Day, Kennedy's Assassination Day, or any other.
I think it only serves to corrupt that new day by reviving the date evil made a mark upon it in the past.

I live in this moment God graced me with. I think I'm to learn from the past that is over and done with. Not carry it as baggage and allow darkness to keep its legacy alive once a day in the future forever .

Same reason I wear a tiny dove pendant and not a cross.
I beleive that the Lord and scripture would disagree with you.
All of Gods feast are about remembrance. Jesus even siad remember me when you eat and drink.
I know where your coming from but for most of the jewish people these were family ties and bonds.
There is a time to weep and a time to press on. But to consider it extra baggage is just wrong imo.
 

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It isn't unusual for Bible-teaching Christians to be accused of hate speech
and/or anti Semitism while Jehovah's very own criticisms, and the prophets'
writings too, contain far more. For example: the book of Isaiah opens with
this:

Isa 1:1-3 . . The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw
concerning Judah and Jerusalem, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and]
Hezekiah, kings of Judah. Hear O heavens! and give ear O earth! for The
Lord has spoken. Children I have raised and exalted, yet they have rebelled
against Me. An ox knows his owner and a donkey his master's crib; but
Israel does not know, My people do not think about it.

Oxen and burros are well known for their below-average IQ; but in His
indictment, Jehovah complained that those two species of barnyard beasts of
burden have more brains than His own people when it comes to appreciating
His providence; and Jehovah's statement: "they have rebelled against me"
mirrors the age-old colloquialism of biting the hand that feeds you.

There are so many anti-Semitic comments and remarks throughout the book
of Isaiah that sometimes it's actually difficult to believe it wasn't penned by
a Palestinian instead of a patriot; and that's only Isaiah, some of the other
prophets are just as harsh.
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I beleive that the Lord and scripture would disagree with you.
All of Gods feast are about remembrance. Jesus even siad remember me when you eat and drink.
I know where your coming from but for most of the jewish people these were family ties and bonds.
There is a time to weep and a time to press on. But to consider it extra baggage is just wrong imo.
You're referring to the last supper.

Jesus said to eat this in remberance of me. And they ate then and there. He did not say repeat this rite in rememberance of him.

Those in Christ are indwelt by Christ's Holy Spirit. We need not repeatedly consume and remember the flesh and blood of the Savior who was the bread of life sacrificed to take away the sins of the world. When that sacrifice made we who were spiritually dead alive again in him.

Jesus laid down the perishable, that that what is imperishable shall enter the kingdom of God.

When Mary went to the tomb where Jesus body was laid to rest the angel asked why she sought the living among the dead. John 20, Luke 1.
 

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There's a holocaust pending in the book of Ezekiel that doesn't get much
attention.

Ezek 20:33-38 …As I live-- testifies The Lord God --I will reign over you
with a strong hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with overflowing
fury. With a strong hand and an outstretched arm and overflowing fury I will
bring you out from the Gentiles and gather you from the lands where you
are scattered, and I will bring you into the wilderness of the Gentiles; and
there I will enter into judgment with you face to face.

. . . As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the
land of Egypt, so will I enter into judgment with you-- testifies The Lord
God. I will make you pass under the shepherd's staff, and I will bring you
into the bond of the covenant. I will remove from you those who rebel and
transgress against Me; I will take them out of the countries where they
sojourn, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you shall know that
I am The Lord.

Many Jews will be rejected and denied entrance to Messiah's theocratic
kingdom. Ezekiel's is a frightful picture of the Diaspora's impending meeting
with their God.

So; what's to become of the rejects?

Matt 13:40-43 . .As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it
will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and
they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do
evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping
and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the
kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

It's been my own personal experience that the average Jew honestly
considers themselves righteous enough to survive their day in court face to
face with The Lord God. Well, just think back to the time when God entered
into judgment with the Jews when He brought them out of Egypt. How many
adults over the age of 20 entered the promised land? Only two: Joshua and
Caleb. Not even Moses himself made the cut; nor even Bezalel and Oholiab,
the two artificers endowed with special skills and aptitudes by God's own
spirit.

Being Jewish is no guarantee they'll make the cut and partake of the
benefits of Isa 11:1-14, Ezk 36:28-38), Mic 4:1-7, and Joel 2:19-27. Modern
Jews just don't seem to appreciate what they're up against.
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why did it happen? the jews have been expelled from almost every country they have been in, always for the same reason, predatory lending/banking practices and behavior.

the jews who actually care about the torah are a great people to be around though. its the kabbalah luciferian wing you need to avoid. from my understanding most jews in israel are secular however.