Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection
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Let all who read 'Fear God' and never embrace your error and heresy that comes from trusting in the flesh.
The Word of God and the Apostle Paul rebukes you firmly in His words = Genesis, Romans ch4 and Galatians ch3, Revelation
You oppose the Holy Spirit with your flesh = "water baptism necessary for resurrection"
You add to the Finished Work of Christ = His Death on the Cross /His Blood Atonement for sin/His Resurrection by the SPIRIT.
In addition to ALL the Scripture against your error, that others and myself have posted here is another one: Daniel ch12
the Prophet Daniel, like Abraham Isaac & Jacob, was never water baptized for salvation.
Daniel, and all OT Saints who Believed by FAITH are Promised Resurrection at Christ's Second Coming.
"At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time.
But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever."
"But as for you Daniel, go on your way until the end. You will rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”
False doctrine of the flesh = "water baptism necessary for resurrection"
The Word of God and the Apostle Paul rebukes you firmly in His words = Genesis, Romans ch4 and Galatians ch3, Revelation
You oppose the Holy Spirit with your flesh = "water baptism necessary for resurrection"
You add to the Finished Work of Christ = His Death on the Cross /His Blood Atonement for sin/His Resurrection by the SPIRIT.
In addition to ALL the Scripture against your error, that others and myself have posted here is another one: Daniel ch12
the Prophet Daniel, like Abraham Isaac & Jacob, was never water baptized for salvation.
Daniel, and all OT Saints who Believed by FAITH are Promised Resurrection at Christ's Second Coming.
"At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time.
But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever."
"But as for you Daniel, go on your way until the end. You will rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”
False doctrine of the flesh = "water baptism necessary for resurrection"
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Can't believe this...do you understand ......resurrection as used....refers to the raising of the dead ..saved...and the living ...saved?..at rapture?
It seems not.
What benefit do you see for you to adopt and follow non biblical teaching? You don't get it from scriptures.
We are reminded that the Bible says....in the end times there will be great deceptions.
You are following them...from where?....not scriptures.
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I have repented, I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit, and while I try to be righteous, I rest in Christ's righteousness.
Isn't discussing theology fun? People hatin' on each other, making false accusations against each other, judging people who do not agree with them as unsaved or possessed. Sometimes I wonder why God puts up with us.
Be blessed, and have a great day.
Isn't discussing theology fun? People hatin' on each other, making false accusations against each other, judging people who do not agree with them as unsaved or possessed. Sometimes I wonder why God puts up with us.
Be blessed, and have a great day.
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a.) Heresy is never fun, except for those who trust in it. Reject all heresies.
b.) adding to peoples words what they have not said is bearing false witness and sin
c.) repenting means you line your heart up with God's words
d.) God loves us and desires that we all come to the same Truth - Ephesians 4:11
e.) disputes in the Body of Christ is evident in Scripture and even necessary for correction
f.) God will not force His Hand on disputes but HE will judge every word spoken
f.) arguing against Scripture is a clear sign of hardness/unbelief of heart and/or 'respect of persons'
g.) studying Scripture and submitting to "it is written" is how we all come to the Unity of Faith = there is no other Way
Anyone who follows these guidelines will be Greatly Blessed.
b.) adding to peoples words what they have not said is bearing false witness and sin
c.) repenting means you line your heart up with God's words
d.) God loves us and desires that we all come to the same Truth - Ephesians 4:11
e.) disputes in the Body of Christ is evident in Scripture and even necessary for correction
f.) God will not force His Hand on disputes but HE will judge every word spoken
f.) arguing against Scripture is a clear sign of hardness/unbelief of heart and/or 'respect of persons'
g.) studying Scripture and submitting to "it is written" is how we all come to the Unity of Faith = there is no other Way
Anyone who follows these guidelines will be Greatly Blessed.
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“What do the two symbolic baptisms "Cloud and Red Sea" represent and point to in the NT?”
it points to christs word ( the cloud ) and johns water passing from slavery to sin into freedom a new life your now free to live having God destroy your enemies behind you because you are following him forward what happened then is a pattern and figure
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4
when the Israelites passed through the sea by faith , he destroyed thier enemies left behind them those who followed through the sea were saved and tbier enemies destroyed. It’s what happens to our sin when we pass through the water following the lords word by faith
“Also = the FULL GOSPEL was given to us by GOD in Genesis thru Abraham Isaac Jacob”
that’s not true the name of Jesus is never mentioned by Abraham Isaac or Jacob you can’t have a gospel without a son of God bekng revealed and made known as messiah so people can have faith in him and get baptized into his name.
Abraham Isaac and Jacob received visions and figures and promises made for the future Abraham heard this gospel
“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
Galatians 3:8 KJV
that’s just a promise of the gospel it’s not the preaching of Jesus or the preaching of his death and resurrection …..they were given that promise and saw prophetic dreams like this
“And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; and thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.”
Genesis 28:12-14
but no brother no one can be saved by what is wrotten of Abraham Isaac or Jacob or what’s said by them or of them the full gospel revealed and made known is found in Matthew mark Luke and John there is no other place to find the full gospel of the kingdom.
my point was this in Noah’s time the world was submerged in water because of sin . That’s a figure of baptism into christs death for sin buried under the water
my point was those of the law were also baptized in water of the sea and word of Moses . They aren’t Christians but they were in a figure baptized into Moses who himself is a figure of Christ
God speaking to Moses
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”
Deuteronomy 18:18 KJV
they also were baptized in the figure of sea and cloud ( word ) of Moses.
my point is ultimately bekng. A prized has always been in scripture in Noah’s time , in Moses time , in johns time , Jesus time and our time the old things are figures the gospel is the reality
The flood is a figure , passing through the sea a figure , of passing through the water blessed by Gods command unto remission of sins through death
it points to christs word ( the cloud ) and johns water passing from slavery to sin into freedom a new life your now free to live having God destroy your enemies behind you because you are following him forward what happened then is a pattern and figure
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4
when the Israelites passed through the sea by faith , he destroyed thier enemies left behind them those who followed through the sea were saved and tbier enemies destroyed. It’s what happens to our sin when we pass through the water following the lords word by faith
“Also = the FULL GOSPEL was given to us by GOD in Genesis thru Abraham Isaac Jacob”
that’s not true the name of Jesus is never mentioned by Abraham Isaac or Jacob you can’t have a gospel without a son of God bekng revealed and made known as messiah so people can have faith in him and get baptized into his name.
Abraham Isaac and Jacob received visions and figures and promises made for the future Abraham heard this gospel
“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
Galatians 3:8 KJV
that’s just a promise of the gospel it’s not the preaching of Jesus or the preaching of his death and resurrection …..they were given that promise and saw prophetic dreams like this
“And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; and thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.”
Genesis 28:12-14
but no brother no one can be saved by what is wrotten of Abraham Isaac or Jacob or what’s said by them or of them the full gospel revealed and made known is found in Matthew mark Luke and John there is no other place to find the full gospel of the kingdom.
my point was this in Noah’s time the world was submerged in water because of sin . That’s a figure of baptism into christs death for sin buried under the water
my point was those of the law were also baptized in water of the sea and word of Moses . They aren’t Christians but they were in a figure baptized into Moses who himself is a figure of Christ
God speaking to Moses
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”
Deuteronomy 18:18 KJV
they also were baptized in the figure of sea and cloud ( word ) of Moses.
my point is ultimately bekng. A prized has always been in scripture in Noah’s time , in Moses time , in johns time , Jesus time and our time the old things are figures the gospel is the reality
The flood is a figure , passing through the sea a figure , of passing through the water blessed by Gods command unto remission of sins through death
I have read Scriptures galore from both viewpoints. Of course, a lot of the Scripture your view puts forward
does not say water baptism at all. Perhaps that is why you now lie about those who disagree with you.
Ephesians 4:5-6
does not say water baptism at all. Perhaps that is why you now lie about those who disagree with you.
Ephesians 4:5-6
Wrong...just wrong.
Why do you distinguish against ME being wrong instead of addressing God's word being wrong.
Which one is it...now show your courage?
You need assistance in reading and understanding scriptures....get help;
Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
.......If you were baptized for some reason other than for forgiveness of sins in order to be saved then you do not have salvation and you are still lost. Who are you going to follow: God or man? As our Lord warns us in Matthew 15:14, "And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a ditch." Don't allow someone, who has added to and taken away from God's word, to lead you. Open your eyes and read God's word for yourself. Those who have added to and taken away from God's word will be lost. If you continue to follow them, then you too will be lost.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
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John 7:37-39
Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying,
“If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the
Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’” But this
He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the
Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 4:14
"... whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water
that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”
Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying,
“If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the
Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’” But this
He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the
Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 4:14
"... whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water
that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”
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Too much post for me to cover but i will address this:
i said: “the FULL GOSPEL was given to us by GOD in Genesis thru Abraham Isaac Jacob”
You said: "that’s not true the name of Jesus is never mentioned by Abraham Isaac or Jacob you can’t have a gospel without a son of God being revealed and made known as messiah so people can have faith in him and get baptized into his name."
#1 FULL GOSPEL in ABRAHAM = "Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham."
#2 FULL GOSPEL in ISAAC = "But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
#3 FULL GOSPEL in JACOB = And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.”
As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Brother, you are much wiser then to deny God's Word = God Himself preached the Gospel to Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob.
i said: “the FULL GOSPEL was given to us by GOD in Genesis thru Abraham Isaac Jacob”
You said: "that’s not true the name of Jesus is never mentioned by Abraham Isaac or Jacob you can’t have a gospel without a son of God being revealed and made known as messiah so people can have faith in him and get baptized into his name."
#1 FULL GOSPEL in ABRAHAM = "Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham."
#2 FULL GOSPEL in ISAAC = "But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
#3 FULL GOSPEL in JACOB = And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.”
As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Brother, you are much wiser then to deny God's Word = God Himself preached the Gospel to Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob.
water baptism is pretty well established really the fact that some scripture doesn’t specify it doesn’t erase what’s already established. It’s just proper doctrine we get baptized in water for remission of sins , because we believe the true message that Jesus shed his blood , willingly gave his life for remission of our sins. It’s the only reason we should get baptized because we believe the gospel and believe if we get baptized it’s about remission of sins like it says this leaves our conscience clear like in the ot when they had the day of atonement they had done what God said would forgive thier sins we get baptized because he said don the is for remission of sins what he said is what makes it have value it’s faith in the resulting promise leaving a clear conscience knowing “ my sins have been remitted I obeyed Gods command and he will keep his word of remission “
I don’t think anyone’s going to be lost because they don’t get baptized , I just don’t understand why any Christian who hears what it’s for wouldnt hurry and get baptized unless they don’t believe it’s relevant or Important or don’t really understand what is said about it in scripture
I don’t think anyone’s going to be lost because they don’t get baptized , I just don’t understand why any Christian who hears what it’s for wouldnt hurry and get baptized unless they don’t believe it’s relevant or Important or don’t really understand what is said about it in scripture
Just a reminder for everyone:
i believe and obey my LORD Jesus Christ to water baptize in His Name
i have been fully water baptized as an adult a year after i was Born-Again
i have, and do, water baptize Saved Believers who are in Christ
Claiming that 'one must be water baptized' to be part of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ at His Coming, is false.
This claim was never made by the LORD, the Apostles or the OT Prophets.
It is adding to God's words and to the Finished Work of Christ's Suffering, Death on the Cross and Resurrection by the SPIRIT.
Jesus said "I am the Resurrection and the Life. The one who believes in me will live, even though he may die; he shall live."
No outward act of the flesh can wash away the stain of sin on a man's soul.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
Only One Man was born without sin and committed no sin = Jesus the Christ
"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus,
that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."
without THREE you cannot SEE and if you remove any ONE you have no Gospel
i believe and obey my LORD Jesus Christ to water baptize in His Name
i have been fully water baptized as an adult a year after i was Born-Again
i have, and do, water baptize Saved Believers who are in Christ
Claiming that 'one must be water baptized' to be part of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ at His Coming, is false.
This claim was never made by the LORD, the Apostles or the OT Prophets.
It is adding to God's words and to the Finished Work of Christ's Suffering, Death on the Cross and Resurrection by the SPIRIT.
Jesus said "I am the Resurrection and the Life. The one who believes in me will live, even though he may die; he shall live."
No outward act of the flesh can wash away the stain of sin on a man's soul.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
Only One Man was born without sin and committed no sin = Jesus the Christ
"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus,
that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."
without THREE you cannot SEE and if you remove any ONE you have no Gospel
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From your perspective I see you think you’re so righteous, but confidence and pride look basically identical from the outside.
You got rebuttaled by me in a Bible discussion and immediately you turned and started condemning me. You just have sour grapes that your theology is false and actually was proven as such.
Now you want to call on God, tell me I’m in danger, rebuke me, call me possessed but an unclean spirit, bear false witness against me, and even say I am an unbeliever.
As you know, people have different perspectives on the message board, but you’ve taken it so far and publicly brought reproach on the name of Christ. You’re acting like a Pharisee.
If any non-Christians are watching your behavior I shudder to think you’ve caused them to reject Christ. Disgusting and shameful. You probably should have just DMed me if you hate me so much. I would have rather you did it there then embarrass Christianity like this, but you made your bed so you have to sleep in it.
You got rebuttaled by me in a Bible discussion and immediately you turned and started condemning me. You just have sour grapes that your theology is false and actually was proven as such.
Now you want to call on God, tell me I’m in danger, rebuke me, call me possessed but an unclean spirit, bear false witness against me, and even say I am an unbeliever.
As you know, people have different perspectives on the message board, but you’ve taken it so far and publicly brought reproach on the name of Christ. You’re acting like a Pharisee.
If any non-Christians are watching your behavior I shudder to think you’ve caused them to reject Christ. Disgusting and shameful. You probably should have just DMed me if you hate me so much. I would have rather you did it there then embarrass Christianity like this, but you made your bed so you have to sleep in it.
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