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Well at lease you admit that the Sabbath day was being kept after the death of Jesus, but you fail to realize that it was being kept because it was the law (Commandment). You also fail to understand the reason Jesus came and died. Jesus also warned us to repent (turn from our sins) and be prepared for the coming of his kingdom. If we truly believe the gospel, then we will obey God's commandments. "...The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9).

Paul say in 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment (Sabbath day), people avoid it like a plague! You are either uninformed about which day is the Sabbath day of the God of the Bible or you are just following the tradition of religion that was passed down through the family or maybe you have let some preacher give you other excuses for ignoring God’s true day of worship.

Let’s take a look and see what Jesus did when he came in the flesh, And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16)

So now Sunday has become a custom to the people and it's not written in the Bible to do nor observe as the Sabbath day.
The unrighteous includes many who still cling to the Mosaic law and who place their trust in fulfilling the Law and the LORD'S Sabbath Rest on Saturday or Sunday.

"Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.'

The Apostles continued in the things that were common and practical for them to do and therefore met with the people who were still under the Law in the Temple and Synagogues on the weekly sabbath = Perfect time, to preach the Gospel.
That would soon fade away as they were systematically excommunicated from the Temple and Synagogues as it is to this day.

Acts is a transition period, whereby the LORD gave Israel an extension of time to repent.
They FAILED to do so and the Temple, which was no longer of use to the FATHER, had it torn down and the rebellious Jews scatterred throughout the world for approximately 2,000 years.

There is only one SABBATH REST approved of by Elohim FATHER Elohim SON Elohim HOLY SPIRIT for SALVATION = YAHshuah HaMashiach = the LORD Jesus Christ.

Do not think that i am saying there is no need to gather as a solem assembly before the LORD.
The day of the week does not matter to the FATHER = only the gathering of His People for His Presence and fellowship.
 

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Well at lease you admit that the Sabbath day was being kept after the death of Jesus, but you fail to realize that it was being kept because it was the law (Commandment).

It was no longer a law. When Christ died, the new covenant replaced the old. Paul wrote the old covenant died and was rotting.
 

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It was no longer a law. When Christ died, the new covenant replaced the old. Paul wrote the old covenant died and was rotting.
Remember Paul said; (Acts 24:14) “But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:” And it says clearly in the law (Ex:20) to remember the sabbath, to keep it holy.
 

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The unrighteous includes many who still cling to the Mosaic law and who place their trust in fulfilling the Law and the LORD'S Sabbath Rest on Saturday or Sunday.

"Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.'

The Apostles continued in the things that were common and practical for them to do and therefore met with the people who were still under the Law in the Temple and Synagogues on the weekly sabbath = Perfect time, to preach the Gospel.
That would soon fade away as they were systematically excommunicated from the Temple and Synagogues as it is to this day.

Acts is a transition period, whereby the LORD gave Israel an extension of time to repent.
They FAILED to do so and the Temple, which was no longer of use to the FATHER, had it torn down and the rebellious Jews scatterred throughout the world for approximately 2,000 years.

There is only one SABBATH REST approved of by Elohim FATHER Elohim SON Elohim HOLY SPIRIT for SALVATION = YAHshuah HaMashiach = the LORD Jesus Christ.

Do not think that i am saying there is no need to gather as a solem assembly before the LORD.
The day of the week does not matter to the FATHER = only the gathering of His People for His Presence and fellowship.

The unrighteous includes many who still cling to the Mosaic law and who place their trust in fulfilling the Law and the LORD'S Sabbath Rest on Saturday or Sunday.

"Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.'

I agree and understand what Law Paul is talking about here. Actually the verses you post are pointing toward those who doing away with Commandments, not understanding what Law Paul is talking about. That Law that Christ ended was the animal sacrificial Law. This law is animal sacrificial law, not the royal law (Ten Commandments, statutes and Judgement). Paul explained this law in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

Also Paul says in Romans 8: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So what is the righteousness of the law? Let allow Paul to tell us in Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, it is consider walking in the spirit because its part of the law (commandments), to be carnally minded is walk contrary to the law of righteousness.
 

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Remember Paul said; (Acts 24:14) “But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:”
It's well and fine to believe what is found in OT. It is a different thing to obey them and do them. He didn't say he was doing them ie: keeping the Sabbath.


He was just telling them what they wanted to hear. He admits this here:

1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Co 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

He will pretend to be whatever the other is to have best chance to evangelize them.
 
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I agree and understand what Law Paul is talking about here. Actually the verses you post are pointing toward those who doing away with Commandments, not understanding what Law Paul is talking about. That Law that Christ ended was the animal sacrificial Law. This law is animal sacrificial law, not the royal law (Ten Commandments, statutes and Judgement). Paul explained this law in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

Also Paul says in Romans 8: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So what is the righteousness of the law? Let allow Paul to tell us in Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, it is consider walking in the spirit because its part of the law (commandments), to be carnally minded is walk contrary to the law of righteousness.
You said: "The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, it is consider walking in the spirit because its part of the law (commandments), to be carnally minded is walk contrary to the law of righteousness."

Have you ever worked on the sabbath day?
 

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You said: "The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, it is consider walking in the spirit because its part of the law (commandments), to be carnally minded is walk contrary to the law of righteousness."

Have you ever worked on the sabbath day?

It really bothers me when someone ask me this question, because you not proving anything. This just another reason to go against the word of God, to make an accuse about this. The answer is no, but thats been my situation, other people in the word of God have had to work on the Sabbath day, and later on down the line they got the day off. God knows where people heart is at and if they really want to serve him or not. It’s easy for people to say how much they love the Lord, they may be able to deceive man, but God knows the mind. Many profess they know God, but in their works they deny him everyday. Paul said in (Titus 1:16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him; being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Yea, most people are talking about how they know God with their lips, but by they works they are doing something totally different. The Lord God commanded you to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy, and you deny him to his face by saying “I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday” or something. There's no other day to go to church on, but what's written in the Bible. So people have been taught to do the things thats not written in the Bible and to use the Bible to justify it.
 

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It's well and fine to believe what is found in OT. It is a different thing to obey them and do them. He didn't say he was doing them ie: keeping the Sabbath.


He was just telling them what they wanted to hear. He admits this here:

1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Co 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

He will pretend to be whatever the other is to have best chance to evangelize them.

Paul is not just telling people what they want to hear, he's actually doing those things. Didn't Paul say in Romans 2: 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
 
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It really bothers me when someone ask me this question, because you not proving anything. This just another reason to go against the word of God, to make an accuse about this. The answer is no, but thats been my situation, other people in the word of God have had to work on the Sabbath day, and later on down the line they got the day off. God knows where people heart is at and if they really want to serve him or not. It’s easy for people to say how much they love the Lord, they may be able to deceive man, but God knows the mind. Many profess they know God, but in their works they deny him everyday. Paul said in (Titus 1:16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him; being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Yea, most people are talking about how they know God with their lips, but by they works they are doing something totally different. The Lord God commanded you to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy, and you deny him to his face by saying “I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday” or something. There's no other day to go to church on, but what's written in the Bible. So people have been taught to do the things thats not written in the Bible and to use the Bible to justify it.
Here is the BIG PROBLEM that everyone and anyone who thinks the are keeping the sabbath according to the Mosaic law:
There is a DEATH PENALTY permanently attached to it.

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13“Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who [c]profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”

And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Exodus 31:12-18

Now what do you think the FATHER SON & HOLY SPIRIT thinks of your attempts to worship THEM thru the law that has a DEATH PENALTY waiting for you???
 

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Paul is not just telling people what they want to hear, he's actually doing those things. Didn't Paul say in Romans 2: 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

He is speaking of the law of Christ, the law of NT.

1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
 

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From 1 Cor 15:14-18
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He is speaking of the law of Christ, the law of NT.

1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Let's see what law Paul is talking about in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17)
 

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Here is the BIG PROBLEM that everyone and anyone who thinks the are keeping the sabbath according to the Mosaic law:
There is a DEATH PENALTY permanently attached to it.

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13“Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who [c]profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”

And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Exodus 31:12-18

Now what do you think the FATHER SON & HOLY SPIRIT thinks of your attempts to worship THEM thru the law that has a DEATH PENALTY waiting for you???

Exactly and this is why people need to understand what Sin is. Now it says in 1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Today what people have to worry about is the second Death, this is the death that Jesus free us from. Paul told us in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week is part of the law, so when you break the Sabbath day, you break the law. That's transgression of the law. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.
 
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Exactly and this is why people need to understand what Sin is. Now it says in 1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Today what people have to worry about is the second Death, this is the death that Jesus free us from. Paul told us in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week is part of the law, so when you break the Sabbath day, you break the law. That's transgression of the law. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.
Concerning saturday observance, i will break the law of Moses every week because i live under the Law of Christ that has set me FREE from the law of sin and death.

CHRIST is the SABBATH REST of God - anything else is just religion.

i am fully protected under the Law of Christ.
 
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Exactly and this is why people need to understand what Sin is. Now it says in 1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Today what people have to worry about is the second Death, this is the death that Jesus free us from. Paul told us in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week is part of the law, so when you break the Sabbath day, you break the law. That's transgression of the law. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.
Now when i say i am under the Law of CHRIST which is Grace, it does not mean i can do as i want and sin = Absolutely Not.
So, by the Spirit i live unto Christ and therefore i live under His Commandments of Loving God and those around me.
The Holy Spirit is Holy so HE does not lead me into sin.
Saturday rest is no longer binding upon us who are covered by the Sabbath REST in Christ.
Christ and the Apostles never commanded the continuance of saturday observance as it was under Mosaic law.
You can certainly gather and worship on saturday, or any day of the week.
God rested when He finished His work. His work was FINISHED on the Cross = the 7th Day has come = CHRIST our Savior.
PEACE
 
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Exactly and this is why people need to understand what Sin is. Now it says in 1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Today what people have to worry about is the second Death, this is the death that Jesus free us from. Paul told us in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week is part of the law, so when you break the Sabbath day, you break the law. That's transgression of the law. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.
FYI - You do not have to live under fear since the LORD came and rescued us.
HE is the Fulifilled and Completed Sabbath REST of God for us 7 days a week.

"And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.”
John ch1
 

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FYI - You do not have to live under fear since the LORD came and rescued us.
HE is the Fulifilled and Completed Sabbath REST of God for us 7 days a week.

"And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.”
John ch1
That's a lot word of God I post that you just walk right over, and prove not one point. But Jesus said with his own mouth in Matthew 5: 17 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

This message is for those who think the Commandments is done away with. All that the prophets spoke is still on the table including the law (Commandments).

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and earth is still here, only at the second coming of Jesus we will see heaven and earth pass. But again the law (Commandments) is still on the table, one jot or one little, can't take it off. Because all is not fulfiled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So this is what's going to happen if people continue teaching against the Commandments and breaking them. Least in the kingdom of heaven is the lake of fire, people!

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.
 

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#78
Now when i say i am under the Law of CHRIST which is Grace, it does not mean i can do as i want and sin = Absolutely Not.
So, by the Spirit i live unto Christ and therefore i live under His Commandments of Loving God and those around me.
The Holy Spirit is Holy so HE does not lead me into sin.
Saturday rest is no longer binding upon us who are covered by the Sabbath REST in Christ.
Christ and the Apostles never commanded the continuance of saturday observance as it was under Mosaic law.
You can certainly gather and worship on saturday, or any day of the week.
God rested when He finished His work. His work was FINISHED on the Cross = the 7th Day has come = CHRIST our Savior.
PEACE

Paul said in (1 Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means.

Let's look at what else Paul says in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

(1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 

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Concerning saturday observance, i will break the law of Moses every week because i live under the Law of Christ that has set me FREE from the law of sin and death.

CHRIST is the SABBATH REST of God - anything else is just religion.

i am fully protected under the Law of Christ.

Jesus Christ Sabbath of rest will not happen until his second coming, but it look like you think it's here already.
Don’t allow yourself to be deceived into believing that once you believe in the Lord that your work is finished, it has just started. Paul said in (Gal. 6:) (v.3) For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. (v.4) But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

The book says let every man prove his own work, and if your work is good then you will rejoice in it. (v.5) For every man shall bear his own burden. That’s right; every man must bear his own burden. You mean you thought that all you had to do was confess the name of Jesus and that was it? You must work to get salvation. (v.7) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. God is not to be played with. Whatsoever you plant, that’s what you are going to reap. Be it good works unto eternal life, or evil works unto eternal damnation. The choice is yours, and your works belong to you.
 
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Jesus Christ Sabbath of rest will not happen until his second coming, but it look like you think it's here already.
Don’t allow yourself to be deceived into believing that once you believe in the Lord that your work is finished, it has just started. Paul said in (Gal. 6:) (v.3) For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. (v.4) But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

The book says let every man prove his own work, and if your work is good then you will rejoice in it. (v.5) For every man shall bear his own burden. That’s right; every man must bear his own burden. You mean you thought that all you had to do was confess the name of Jesus and that was it? You must work to get salvation. (v.7) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. God is not to be played with. Whatsoever you plant, that’s what you are going to reap. Be it good works unto eternal life, or evil works unto eternal damnation. The choice is yours, and your works belong to you.

TOP of the Mountain Truth =
the Gospel was preached by Elohim to Adam & Eve in the Garden before any law.
then Elohim preached the Gospel to Abraham Isaac Jacob = before Moses, before ceremonial law.
the LORD established His Saving Grace with Job = before Moses

the Gospel began in Genesis (including Job), was put on hold so that the law given to Moses for Israel to teach and instruct them of MESSIAH so that when HE came they could be FREE from the law of sin and death.

MESSIAH came in the flesh, under the law and fulfilled that law for us, then HE took that law and abolished it on the Cross.

TODAY, we have so MUCH BETTER - Eternal High Priest Yeshua HaMashiach and the HOLY SPIRIT to be our Comforter.

PEACE