The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, why was it created and placed on earth?

[Carry_Your_Name]

i wouldn't agree that the garden of God was Satan's domain -- i think his fall was previous to the creation of earth.
but, to the rest of your point, per 1 TImothy 2:14, Adam was not deceived, and it is Woman who was in transgression - if Adam was accountable for 'failing to prevent Woman from sin' then Adam was first in transgression, and you could accuse God of the same thing for failing to prevent either of them from sin.

there is a reason Satan went after Woman, instead.
whether he had tried & failed to deceive Adam previously, or just knew that he couldn't, is a matter of speculation - but we know that Satan did not deceive Adam.

Adam's fault was his failure to truthfully relay God's warning to Eve. God told him in Gen 2:17: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die."

However, when Eve was asked about it, what did she reply? Gen 3:3: "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall now eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die."

Notice what Adam had added and omitted: God told Adam what that tree is, Adam skipped that part, and replaced it with the location of the tree; God only said you shall not eat it, Adam added "nor shall you touch it". That gave Satan an opportunity to manipulate Eve, to make her feel that God was hiding a secret from her, putting restrictions on her, withholding this power from her, and by that she fell to the temptation of tasting the forbidden fruit.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

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Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,​

and shall cleave unto his wife​

(Genesis 1:24)​

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who is Adam's father, and who is Adam's mother?
did he leave them, to cling to his wife?

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That was God's general design for all mankind, not just Adam the individual. "leave his father and his mother" is teenage rebellion with raging hormones, "cleave unto his wife" is being attracted to your other half, "two become one flesh" is getting laid.

 

[posthuman]

Adam's fault was his failure to truthfully relay God's warning to Eve. God told him in Gen 2:17: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die."

However, when Eve was asked about it, what did she reply? Gen 3:3: "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall now eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die."

Notice what Adam had added and omitted: God told Adam what that tree is, Adam skipped that part, and replaced it with the location of the tree; God only said you shall not eat it, Adam added "nor shall you touch it". That gave Satan an opportunity to manipulate Eve, to make her feel that God was hiding a secret from her, putting restrictions on her, withholding this power from her, and by that she fell to the temptation of tasting the forbidden fruit.

You have Adam in sin before her, in a way God never accused Adam of and nothing in Scripture suggests he is guilty of.
i do not think that is correct.

 

[posthuman]

That was God's general design for all mankind, not just Adam the individual. "leave his father and his mother" is teenage rebellion with raging hormones, "cleave unto his wife" is being attracted to your other half, "two become one flesh" is getting laid.

'all mankind' in the context of Genesis 2-3 consists of Adam and his wife.

did Adam leave his Father for the sake of his wife?

Genesis 2:24 doesn't cast this saying in a bad light as you have, and neither does Christ quote it as though it is speaking of wicked lust, in Matthew 19:5

i do not think you are correct.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You have Adam in sin before her, in a way God never accused Adam of and nothing in Scripture suggests he is guilty of.
i do not think that is correct.

God didn't accuse Adam of anything because God is not Satan the accuser of our brethren. It was Adam who added a rule to God's commandment, he didn't relay the message accurately, and Satan took advantage of that.

'all mankind' in the context of Genesis 2-3 consists of Adam and his wife.

did Adam leave his Father for the sake of his wife?

Genesis 2:24 doesn't cast this saying in a bad light as you have, and neither does Christ quote it as though it is speaking of wicked lust, in Matthew 19:5

i do not think you are correct.

I told you that's not just Adam, but all future generations. You know this is not just limited to the context of Gen 2-3, Jesus quoted it to educate the pharisees about the original design of marriage, and Paul quoted it to teach the Corinthian church about the significance of spiritual union.

 

[posthuman]

God didn't accuse Adam of anything because God is not Satan the accuser of our brethren. It was Adam who added a rule to God's commandment, he didn't relay the message accurately, and Satan took advantage of that.


I told you that's not just Adam, but all future generations. You know this is not just limited to the context of Gen 2-3, Jesus quoted it to educate the pharisees about the original design of marriage, and Paul quoted it to teach the Corinthian church about the significance of spiritual union.

God said 'because you ate of the tree' to them - does that make Him like Satan?
But God never said, 'because you failed to stop your wife' or 'because you didn't say this or that or because you said such and such'
IMO accusing Adam if such supposed sins is wrong, unsupportable, and contrary to the Scriptures as they are written.

With regard to leaving one's father and mother to cling to one's wife, i don't know why you are relating it to youthful lust. It doesn't snt seem to fit the Genesis 2-3 narrative at all. But I was mentioning it because Adam dos forsake his Father for the sake of his wife.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

God said 'because you ate of the tree' to them - does that make Him like Satan?
But God never said, 'because you failed to stop your wife' or 'because you didn't say this or that or because you said such and such'
IMO accusing Adam if such supposed sins is wrong, unsupportable, and contrary to the Scriptures as they are written.

With regard to leaving one's father and mother to cling to one's wife, i don't know why you are relating it to youthful lust. It doesn't snt seem to fit the Genesis 2-3 narrative at all. But I was mentioning it because Adam dos forsake his Father for the sake of his wife.

Adam was the prototype of Christ and Eve the mother of all nations. God told Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit, but did he repeat that to Eve? Nope, Eve learned it indirectly from Adam and she got a twisted and inaccurate version, which gave Satan an opportunity to deceive her. Afterward, God never accused either of them of anything, all he said was PROPHECIES that were bound to take place, for Adam, Eve and Satan. Instead of any “punishment” or “accusation”, Gen 3:15 is the first prophecy about the Messiah. I don’t know where you got the idea of “accusation” and why you keep pushing it.

About leaving one's father and mother to cling to one's wife, it doesn't seem to fit the Genesis 2-3 narrative to you because that’s God’s design for marriage and human sexuality at large, that much is revealed is in Matthew 19:1-10. Torah, the first five books are the foundation of the entire Bible, the root system of the tree, everything else is built upon it.

 

[posthuman]

About leaving one's father and mother to cling to one's wife, it doesn't seem to fit the Genesis 2-3 narrative to you because that’s God’s design for marriage and human sexuality at large

what i said was that your description of Genesis 2:24 does not fit the Genesis narrative.
you described 'a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife' as foolish, sensual lust:

leave his father and his mother" is teenage rebellion with raging hormones, "cleave unto his wife" is being attracted to your other half, "two become one flesh" is getting laid.

that description you gave is what doesn't jive with God's description in Genesis, doesn't jive with Christ's quoting it in Matthew 19, and doesn't jive with Paul citing it in Ephesians 5.

as i put earlier, i do not agree with your description. your description doesn't fit what happened in Genesis 2 or 3.
Adam knowingly & willingly chose to leave his Father, God, in order to die alongside his wife rather than live without her.
this isn't about raging hormones or blind desire; it is about love and devotion.

 

[Magenta]

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Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,​

and shall cleave unto his wife​

(Genesis 1:24)​

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who is Adam's father, and who is Adam's mother?
did he leave them, to cling to his wife?

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Adam's Father is God, and yes: Adam departed from his Father to cleave to his wife.



God knew this would happen and had already made provision for it.

They were of the natural world, after all.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

what i said was that your description of Genesis 2:24 does not fit the Genesis narrative.
you described 'a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife' as foolish, sensual lust:


that description you gave is what doesn't jive with God's description in Genesis, doesn't jive with Christ's quoting it in Matthew 19, and doesn't jive with Paul citing it in Ephesians 5.

as i put earlier, i do not agree with your description. your description doesn't fit what happened in Genesis 2 or 3.
Adam knowingly & willingly chose to leave his Father, God, in order to die alongside his wife rather than live without her.
this isn't about raging hormones or blind desire; it is about love and devotion.

What you referred to as “foolish, sensual lust” is a natural human desire for physical and spiritual union, it’s BY GOD’S DESIGN and FOR GOD’S PURPOSE. Simply put, that’s just puberty which we’ve all been through. You don’t get to condescendingly call that as “youthful lust” on your high horses. Sexuality is sacred, not dirty or shameful, therefore it’s reserved for the spouse within wedlock. It is absolutely relevant in the context of Matt. 19 and 1 Cor 6 because the Pharisees and the Corinthians didn’t understand this design and purpose, they were driven by their lust and abusing sexuality for their own pleasure. The context is not Gen 2-3 either, but Day 6 in Gen 1, that’s God’s blueprint for the entire human history from the beginning to the end.

 

[posthuman]

What you referred to as “foolish, sensual lust” is a natural human desire for physical and spiritual union, it’s BY GOD’S DESIGN and FOR GOD’S PURPOSE. Simply put, that’s just puberty which we’ve all been through. You don’t get to condescendingly call that as “youthful lust” on your high horses. Sexuality is sacred, not dirty or shameful, therefore it’s reserved for the spouse within wedlock. It is absolutely relevant in the context of Matt. 19 and 1 Cor 6 because the Pharisees and the Corinthians didn’t understand this design and purpose, they were driven by their lust and abusing sexuality for their own pleasure. The context is not Gen 2-3 either, but Day 6 in Gen 1, that’s God’s blueprint for the entire human history from the beginning to the end.

friend, what i am saying is that there is no indication that Genesis 3:6 has anything to do with libido.
there is no indication that Matthew 19:5 has anything to do with libido.
there is no indication that Ephesians 5:31 has anything to do with libido.

the way you described Genesis 2:24 as "teenage rebellion with raging hormones" bears no relation whatsoever to the way it is portrayed in scripture, as i understand it.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

friend, what i am saying is that there is no indication that Genesis 3:6 has anything to do with libido.
there is no indication that Matthew 19:5 has anything to do with libido.
there is no indication that Ephesians 5:31 has anything to do with libido.

the way you described Genesis 2:24 as "teenage rebellion with raging hormones" bears no relation whatsoever to the way it is portrayed in scripture, as i understand it.

Matthew 19:5 is about the original design of marriage which Jesus quoted from Gen. 1:27 and 2:24, the first human institution established by God, and "libido" is the biological incentive that leads men and women to this sacred union. You think "go forth and multiply" is just an order? No, again, that's God's DESIGN for mankind. Bible is never shy about sex, it's never a taboo subject as many thought it is. Paul wrote in 1 Cor 7:9 about this "libido", which he put as "burning in passion" for those who lack of self control. God never said "man shall leave his mother and father to go to college" or "man shall leave his mother and father to explore the world," the purpose is to "join his wife and become one flesh." And like it or not, "teenage rebellion with raging hormones" is where it all started.

 

[posthuman]

Matthew 19:5 is about the original design of marriage which Jesus quoted from Gen. 1:27 and 2:24, the first human institution established by God, and "libido" is the biological incentive that leads men and women to this sacred union. You think "go forth and multiply" is just an order? No, again, that's God's DESIGN for mankind. Bible is never shy about sex, it's never a taboo subject as many thought it is. Paul wrote in 1 Cor 7:9 about this "libido", which he put as "burning in passion" for those who lack of self control. God never said "man shall leave his mother and father to go to college" or "man shall leave his mother and father to explore the world," the purpose is to "join his wife and become one flesh." And like it or not, "teenage rebellion with raging hormones" is where it all started.

Is it your opinion that Adam sinned because he thought Woman was sexy?

Is that all you get from Genesis 2-3?

“raging teenage hormones" ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Is it your opinion that Adam sinned because he thought Woman was sexy?

Is that all you get from Genesis 2-3?

“raging teenage hormones" ?

Only if you believe that sex is the real “original sin”, a curse instead of a blessing. Adam’s fault was relaying God’s warning inaccurately to Eve. Of course, out of good intention, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Call that a sin if you want, I don’t think so.

 

[posthuman]

Only if you believe that sex is the real “original sin”, a curse instead of a blessing. Adam’s fault was relaying God’s warning inaccurately to Eve. Of course, out of good intention, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Call that a sin if you want, I don’t think so.

Do you think Genesis 3 is all about sex?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Do you think Genesis 3 is all about sex?

There was no indication that Adam and Eve ever had sex in Eden, but they definitely did right after they were cast out (Gen 4:1-2). Therefore I disagree with your "context" of Gen 2-3.

 

[posthuman]

There was no indication that Adam and Eve ever had sex in Eden, but they definitely did right after they were cast out (Gen 4:1-2). Therefore I disagree with your "context" of Gen 2-3.

I am not the one who said Genesis 2:24

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I am not the one who said Genesis 2:24

What’s the matter with Gen. 2:24?

 

[posthuman]

What’s the matter with Gen. 2:24?

Sorry, typo - the text was cut off.
What I mean is, I do not think the primary intention of Genesis 2:24 is about sex. Only the 'become one flesh' aspect relates in this way. I certainly don't think that libido played any part in Genesis 3; there is no indication of that. In particular, Adam's decision. But there is a direct relationship to Genesis 2:24 in Adam's choice: he effectively leaves God, his Father, to cling to his wife.
When God declared this in Genesis 2, I don't think the intention is to convey, as you put, that boys would rebel against their parents to pursue lust, and marry the objects of that lust. This makes no sense in the context of God providing Woman to Adam, tho it may be seen readily as a perversion of God's will for marriage.
In Genesis 2 we aren't talking about perversions of God's will, but of His 'very good' creation.
In Genesis 3 God does not indicate that Adam has pursued lust, but has 'listened to the voice of his wife'

So this is what I am saying, that Adam's actions are a reflection of Genesis 2:24, in that he left his Father for her sake. Not that libido had anything to do with it. What I have been objecting to is characterizing Genesis 2:24 in terms of fornication or of dishonoring ones parents, and of framing Adam and Woman's actions in any kind of sexual context.

 

[Blik]

Scripture says God created the garden of Eden and put the tree of knowledge that he had created in the garden, why are we questioning God? This tree was part of the creation of us and the world we live in.

Man was not to eat of it, but he did in disobedience to God. This brought death to man so God gave his son so we may live, it is through the son we are forgiven the sin that because part of our life when Adam ate that fruit. For over 4,000 years, the time if Adan eating the fruit and Christ on the cross, this salvation was incompletely carried out threw the sacrificial system, Christ completed it.