Were Nephilim (Gen 6) judged differently by God?

[DavidTree]

Apologies if you thought the last statement I said was not good. Was just randomly quoting what another member here had said. The verse you quoted is good, but I think you have misunderstood it. The first part is dealing with the Angel's and how they are an example of things to come. The second part is dealing with Sodom and Gomorah and how they are an example of things to come. You are overlapping the explanation.. see below.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

That part is separate from the part below.



as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:5-7

Jesus said that when we go to heaven we will be like the Angel's that do not marry. So if the sons of God were Angel's they would not have been able to marry the sons of men because they also do not marry. I believe I'm seeing this clear, what is your view of this?

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is written to VERIFY TWO VERY IMPORTANT TRUTHS
#1 - The Jews who escaped Egypt by the POWER of GOD thru the shed Blood of the Lamb where later DESTROYED because they refused to abide in the TRUTH.

#2 - Just as those Jews who forsook their Salvation = the Angels who left their Heavenly Abode and came to earth to corrupt the Human Genome were locked up and are waiting Judgement Day.
These Fallen Angels gave themselves over just as Sodom and Gommorah.

SEE how the LORD speaks TRUTH for all to KNOW and BELIEVE

Anyone who tells you different from this does not understand because their hearts were hardened by unbelief and religion.

 

[DavidTree]

“And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode,”

yep they did lose thier place in heaven because they deceived mankind and still do today working to turn us agaonst God that’s how they sinned

it doesn’t say anything about having sex with women and producing giants there though.

here is where that theory comes from brother from the genesis verse there that is biblical Enoch says this

[Chapter 6]
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.

And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens

Then you have chapter 7 which I was wrong they weren’t 150 ft according to Enoch but 450 feet here’s what I was saying though

[Chapter 7]
1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants.

And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones


Later Enoch returns to the narrative and touches on it in chapter 15-16

Chapter 15]
1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice.

And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons?

And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die and perish.

Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world.

And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [

As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
[Chapter 16]
1 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement -thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be 2 consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated." And now as to the watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, (say 3 to them): "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." 4 Say to them therefore: " You have n


what I’m saying is if we are discussing the book of Enoch you have a lot of great points , none of this is in the Bible though and the Bible doesn’t reference these things but for a verse in genesis . If it were true the Bible would be riddled with references to these events being the reason mankind fell into sin

the Bible says man fell into sin because we transgressed and ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil . Enoch says the angels taught mankind forbidden knowledge and ways of war ect and the knowledge came from the angels rather than from mans transgression in Eden

Just my own opinion Enoch is an ancient text but is a narrative and not inspired of God other people accept it which I have no issue with I just myself see sommuch contradiction according to what’s in the Bible and why man fell

many other reasons where is one giants bone ? We find dinosaur bones all the time but these 450 foot giants there isn’t one shred of evidence of thier exostamcd we find men from 5000 years ago but not a single giant toe bone or skull

how would a woman bear gigantic baby bigger than herself ? A lot of reason I personally don’t believe in the Enoch narrative but others do and I’m perfectly fine with it

The Scripture does say they had sex with women in Genesis and Jude.

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is written to VERIFY TWO VERY IMPORTANT TRUTHS
#1 - The Jews who escaped Egypt by the POWER of GOD thru the shed Blood of the Lamb where later DESTROYED because they refused to abide in the TRUTH.

#2 - Just as those Jews who forsook their Salvation = the Angels who left their Heavenly Abode and came to earth to corrupt the Human Genome were locked up and are waiting Judgement Day.
These Fallen Angels gave themselves over just as Sodom and Gommorah.

SEE how the LORD speaks TRUTH for all to KNOW and BELIEVE

Anyone who tells you different from this does not understand because their hearts were hardened by unbelief and religion.

 

[DavidTree]

Apologies if you thought the last statement I said was not good. Was just randomly quoting what another member here had said. The verse you quoted is good, but I think you have misunderstood it. The first part is dealing with the Angel's and how they are an example of things to come. The second part is dealing with Sodom and Gomorah and how they are an example of things to come. You are overlapping the explanation.. see below.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

That part is separate from the part below.



as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:5-7

Jesus said that when we go to heaven we will be like the Angel's that do not marry. So if the sons of God were Angel's they would not have been able to marry the sons of men because they also do not marry. I believe I'm seeing this clear, what is your view of this?

ALL THREE Groups spoken of in Jude 1:5-7
1.) Jews Exodus ch32
2.) fallen angels who came to earth Genesis ch6
3.) Sodom and Gomorrah Genesis ch19

ALL THREE Groups Sinned in the SAME manner = PERVERSE SEXUAL IMMORALITY

JUDE = the angels who left their proper domain = IN LIKE MANNER = indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh

 

[Amanuensis]

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is written to VERIFY TWO VERY IMPORTANT TRUTHS
#1 - The Jews who escaped Egypt by the POWER of GOD thru the shed Blood of the Lamb where later DESTROYED because they refused to abide in the TRUTH.

#2 - Just as those Jews who forsook their Salvation = the Angels who left their Heavenly Abode and came to earth to corrupt the Human Genome were locked up and are waiting Judgement Day.
These Fallen Angels gave themselves over just as Sodom and Gommorah.

SEE how the LORD speaks TRUTH for all to KNOW and BELIEVE

Anyone who tells you different from this does not understand because their hearts were hardened by unbelief and religion.

The text is about how God Has and Can show judgment before the final judgment.

2 Peter 2
4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.

2 Peter 3
4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Jude
5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

As you can clearly see by a careful reading both Peter and Jude are correcting the false idea that God will not judge. Or that everything has continued unabated since the beginning of creation with no judgment from God interfering like the Godly keep saying is coming. Both Peter and Jude correct this wrong idea by reminding them of how God has intervened on several occasions.

Each is an example of God's judgment. There is nothing here about angels messing up genomes and no one could get that from the text without forcing an interpretation that Peter and Jude are not talking about.

Peter and Jude are focused on examples of how God had judged already... before the end time judgment.

To think that there will be no judgment until the end of the world is bad theology.

Remember the flood? Peter is saying. He is not talking about angels having sex. He is saying that God judged already, so why are they saying that things have continued the same? No they haven't. Remember the Flood?

Remember that the angels that fell with satan are currently bound in chains of darkness? Judgment.

Then he says in a Similar way Sodom was judged. Similar as in another example of God judging and intervening like these other examples.

Not, that Sodom's sin was similar in details to the angels. But that Sodom is a similar example of God intervening with Judgment and that things don't always "continue unabated from creation" like what these false teachers suggested.

If you stick to the intended message of the authors it is about how God has judged in the past. That is what they were addressing. This was an argument to combat a wrong idea. Their opponents did not say anything about angels having sex with women. Their opponents were saying "Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

They remind them of the previous judgment examples to prove that God has intervened before. They did not bring up angels having sex with women and anyone who tries to insert that into the text is NOT Understanding, but I will not say they are "hardened" it is probably a simple matter of having made a mistake in careful exegesis of the text.

Trying to help here. Don't get angry if I am correct.

 

[DavidTree]

The text is about how God Has and Can show judgment before the final judgment.

2 Peter 2
4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.

2 Peter 3
4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Jude
5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

As you can clearly see by a careful reading both Peter and Jude are correcting the false idea that God will not judge. Or that everything has continued unabated since the beginning of creation with no judgment from God interfering like the Godly keep saying is coming. Both Peter and Jude correct this wrong idea by reminding them of how God has intervened on several occasions.

Each is an example of God's judgment. There is nothing here about angels messing up genomes and no one could get that from the text without forcing an interpretation that Peter and Jude are not talking about.

Peter and Jude are focused on examples of how God had judged already... before the end time judgment.

To think that there will be no judgment until the end of the world is bad theology.

Remember the flood? Peter is saying. He is not talking about angels having sex. He is saying that God judged already, so why are they saying that things have continued the same? No they haven't. Remember the Flood?

Remember that the angels that fell with satan are currently bound in chains of darkness? Judgment.

Then he says in a Similar way Sodom was judged. Similar as in another example of God judging and intervening like these other examples.

Not, that Sodom's sin was similar in details to the angels. But that Sodom is a similar example of God intervening with Judgment and that things don't always "continue unabated from creation" like what these false teachers suggested.

If you stick to the intended message of the authors it is about how God has judged in the past. That is what they were addressing. This was an argument to combat a wrong idea. Their opponents did not say anything about angels having sex with women. Their opponents were saying "Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

They remind them of the previous judgment examples to prove that God has intervened before. They did not bring up angels having sex with women and anyone who tries to insert that into the text is NOT Understanding, but I will not say they are "hardened" it is probably a simple matter of having made a mistake in careful exegesis of the text.

Trying to help here. Don't get angry if I am correct.

If you were correct i would REJOICE with you. To err and then SEE is the LIGHT of TRUTH.

ALL THREE Groups spoken of in Jude 1:5-7
1.) Jews Exodus ch32
2.) fallen angels who came to earth Genesis ch6
3.) Sodom and Gomorrah Genesis ch19

ALL THREE Groups Sinned in SIMILAR manner = PERVERSE SEXUAL IMMORALITY

Whenever THREE are grouped together it is a Major GOD moment and this is a Major GOD Movement of Judgement upon Sexual Trespass for an EXAMPLE = HELLO = Wake UP Call from GOD

First Group - the Jews who under the Blood Covenant of the lamb = Exodus
Second Group - fallen angels who left the spiritual realm, came to earth and polluted the Human Genome whereby ALL flesh was destroyed.
Third Group establishes the SIN for the fallen angels and the first group = "IN LIKE MANNER" going after STRANGE FLESH"


JUDE = the angels who left their proper domain = IN LIKE MANNER = indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh

 

[DavidTree]

The text is about how God Has and Can show judgment before the final judgment.

2 Peter 2
4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.

2 Peter 3
4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Jude
5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

As you can clearly see by a careful reading both Peter and Jude are correcting the false idea that God will not judge. Or that everything has continued unabated since the beginning of creation with no judgment from God interfering like the Godly keep saying is coming. Both Peter and Jude correct this wrong idea by reminding them of how God has intervened on several occasions.

Each is an example of God's judgment. There is nothing here about angels messing up genomes and no one could get that from the text without forcing an interpretation that Peter and Jude are not talking about.

Peter and Jude are focused on examples of how God had judged already... before the end time judgment.

To think that there will be no judgment until the end of the world is bad theology.

Remember the flood? Peter is saying. He is not talking about angels having sex. He is saying that God judged already, so why are they saying that things have continued the same? No they haven't. Remember the Flood?

Remember that the angels that fell with satan are currently bound in chains of darkness? Judgment.

Then he says in a Similar way Sodom was judged. Similar as in another example of God judging and intervening like these other examples.

Not, that Sodom's sin was similar in details to the angels. But that Sodom is a similar example of God intervening with Judgment and that things don't always "continue unabated from creation" like what these false teachers suggested.

If you stick to the intended message of the authors it is about how God has judged in the past. That is what they were addressing. This was an argument to combat a wrong idea. Their opponents did not say anything about angels having sex with women. Their opponents were saying "Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

They remind them of the previous judgment examples to prove that God has intervened before. They did not bring up angels having sex with women and anyone who tries to insert that into the text is NOT Understanding, but I will not say they are "hardened" it is probably a simple matter of having made a mistake in careful exegesis of the text.

Trying to help here. Don't get angry if I am correct.

The COMMAND Sentence of Jude = "They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
All that followed next was Judgement on certain Sexual Perversion

Never angry at you - i have been at others who have no fear to twist scripture in the most blantant way.

Example: changing Scripture to say "the falling away" of 2Thess ch2 they change to say it is the rapture

 

[Amanuensis]

If you were correct i would REJOICE with you. To err and then SEE is the LIGHT of TRUTH.

ALL THREE Groups spoken of in Jude 1:5-7
1.) Jews Exodus ch32
2.) fallen angels who came to earth Genesis ch6
3.) Sodom and Gomorrah Genesis ch19

ALL THREE Groups Sinned in SIMILAR manner = PERVERSE SEXUAL IMMORALITY

Whenever THREE are grouped together it is a Major GOD moment and this is a Major GOD Movement of Judgement upon Sexual Trespass for an EXAMPLE = HELLO = Wake UP Call from GOD

First Group - the Jews who under the Blood Covenant of the lamb = Exodus
Second Group - fallen angels who left the spiritual realm, came to earth and polluted the Human Genome whereby ALL flesh was destroyed.
Third Group establishes the SIN for the fallen angels and the first group = "IN LIKE MANNER" going after STRANGE FLESH"


JUDE = the angels who left their proper domain = IN LIKE MANNER = indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh

I understand how you are trying to make that connection. I think that "In Like Manner" is referring to "another example of judgment" not that the angels sinned with sex like Sodom did. Just like judgment has already come in the past like the flood, and like the angels, and like Sodom... God knows how to judge the ungodly in this life and preserve them for later judgment and to deliver the Godly. He clearly makes that his point and we should not try to make him out to be teaching a different point about angels having sex with women which never happened.

To sincerely consider if Peter wanted to communicate that these judgments were all about those who committed specific sexual perversions we have to ask "Was Peter or Jude trying to make that connection?"
It seems that if they were they could have made it much simpler.

If we ask "What was Peter or Jude talking about, what was the subject of the context? We naturally identify the point of how God is able to Judge before the end and has done so in the past.

Going after strange flesh or the perversion of homosexual lust of Sodom is mentioned not to make that the subject, but this is another example of Judgment that was of the kind that was above and beyond, it belongs in this category of examples not because of the sexual sin but because of the Total devastation of fire and brimstone from heaven wiping them all out.

A finality. Like the Flood. Leaving none to escape. The world we are now in is not the same as that one. God did judge.
All the angels were doomed to chains of darkness not able to escape. A finality. A major change. They did not get to do what they wanted. They are chained.

The subject in all these is not sexual sins, I think you are putting that in the minds of Peter and Jude when in their minds it is all about the fact that God has already shown judgments that these men said God is not going to do and hasn't done since the creation of the world.

The attempt to identify sexual perversion as the reason for each of these judgments and what Peter or Jude was pointing out is just not there.

If Peter or Jude were here today and we could ask them. "Peter, what did you mean by that?" I think he would explain the idea about judgments having occurred already and he would not be talking about the specific types of sins being that of sexual perversion in each case though it is always there in the rebellion of wicked men the point is about the judgment of God intervening in history since the creation of the world when these people were saying everything had continued the same since the beginning.

That is the subject of the argument.

Sure, sexual perversion is going to be present in every case where wicked men are left to follow their rebellious hearts. That is what Romans 1 tells us. That is what we are seeing today in America. And that is why we can expect "A Storm of Judgment" is coming. It will be because of the homosexual agenda being pushed on the children. God will intervene in this life over this wickedness.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Scripture does say they had sex with women in Genesis and Jude.

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is written to VERIFY TWO VERY IMPORTANT TRUTHS
#1 - The Jews who escaped Egypt by the POWER of GOD thru the shed Blood of the Lamb where later DESTROYED because they refused to abide in the TRUTH.

#2 - Just as those Jews who forsook their Salvation = the Angels who left their Heavenly Abode and came to earth to corrupt the Human Genome were locked up and are waiting Judgement Day.
These Fallen Angels gave themselves over just as Sodom and Gommorah.

SEE how the LORD speaks TRUTH for all to KNOW and BELIEVE

Anyone who tells you different from this does not understand because their hearts were hardened by unbelief and religion.

“The Scripture does say they had sex with women in Genesis and Jude.”

really? yeah I must have missed those scriptures. Why don’t you quote those scriptures that say that ? Again though lol I’m not asking for an explaination of what it doesn’t say but if you were to wuote those scriptures saying it I would absolutely agree

I think your gonna explain it and have no scriotire saying it though

 

[Amanuensis]

Example: changing Scripture to say "the falling away" of 2Thess ch2 they change to say it is the rapture

I don't agree with that interpretation but I understand where they get it from. Many who pass it on are thinking it is credible. They have read a brief article from the original authors who started it and they thought it was credible. I would not judge them as being hardened over that bad interpretation. They probably just did not do their due diligence to fact check it. Which is inexcusable in the day of Google, so they are still to blame.

But the ones that started that teaching about the Greek word meaning depart like on a journey were wrong and have been debunked by Greek Scholars. People can find the Academic history of the first author who presented that interpretation and the rebuttals from all the best Greek scholars explaining why it is wrong. It is an open and shut case that the Greek word means an apostate type falling from a previous position and not departing like going on a journey.

This keeps getting spread by people who have not done the research to discover that it is not even a debate. No one in Theological Academia is presenting that interpretation or attempting to support it. (that the word means departing in a journey)

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Scripture does say they had sex with women in Genesis and Jude.

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is written to VERIFY TWO VERY IMPORTANT TRUTHS
#1 - The Jews who escaped Egypt by the POWER of GOD thru the shed Blood of the Lamb where later DESTROYED because they refused to abide in the TRUTH.

#2 - Just as those Jews who forsook their Salvation = the Angels who left their Heavenly Abode and came to earth to corrupt the Human Genome were locked up and are waiting Judgement Day.
These Fallen Angels gave themselves over just as Sodom and Gommorah.

SEE how the LORD speaks TRUTH for all to KNOW and BELIEVE

Anyone who tells you different from this does not understand because their hearts were hardened by unbelief and religion.

“I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:5-7‬ ‭

the sexual immorality isn’t the angels it’s the people of sodom and Gomorrah he gives the angels as the first example fornthier transgression and then sodom and Gomorrah as a second example regarding sexual immorality

What else do you got ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Scripture does say they had sex with women in Genesis and Jude.

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is written to VERIFY TWO VERY IMPORTANT TRUTHS
#1 - The Jews who escaped Egypt by the POWER of GOD thru the shed Blood of the Lamb where later DESTROYED because they refused to abide in the TRUTH.

#2 - Just as those Jews who forsook their Salvation = the Angels who left their Heavenly Abode and came to earth to corrupt the Human Genome were locked up and are waiting Judgement Day.
These Fallen Angels gave themselves over just as Sodom and Gommorah.

SEE how the LORD speaks TRUTH for all to KNOW and BELIEVE

Anyone who tells you different from this does not understand because their hearts were hardened by unbelief and religion.

“Anyone who tells you different from this does not understand because their hearts were hardened by unbelief and religion.”

This idea is why it’s becoming hard to discuss with you.

 

[Amanuensis]

JUDE = the angels who left their proper domain = IN LIKE MANNER = indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh

I don't know what you think about the KJV but it reads as follows:
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

If the KJV is correct it is the cities around them that were guilty "in like manner" of giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh.

I would have to spend time investigating commentaries from Greek Scholars who can explain whether this is the best English translation for where "in like manner" should occur in the sentence. If you move it around it certainly can change what it is modifying.

And the mention of Sodom and these cities is another example of judgment having already happened since the creation of the world. That we have proofs of God's judgments and are not just warning people of something that we have no examples for.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I don't know what you think about the KJV but it reads as follows:
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

If the KJV is correct it is the cities around them that were guilty "in like manner" of giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh.

I would have to spend time investigating commentaries from Greek Scholars who can explain whether this is the best English translation for where "in like manner" should occur in the sentence. If you move it around it certainly can change what it is modifying.

And the mention of Sodom and these cities is another example of judgment having already happened since the creation of the world. That we have proofs of God's judgments and are not just warning people of something that we have no examples for.

yeah the thing is if we read the ot it tells us about Dodson and Gomorrah and the men there and why it was destroyed. He’s just explainkng that if we think we’re able to keep rebelling in any way we’re way off and have forgotten the truth that the angels sinned leading man astray and we’re judged and the men of soddom and Gomorrah also in tbier sins were judged as well

Jude is reminding Christians that we can’t keep sinning and expecting to be saved it’s why he gives the examples Jesus did the same thing using the flood and soddom and Gomorrah regarding judgement

there’s no question that angels aren’t the sons of God that’s reserved for mankind it’s why Christ the son didn’t become an angel but a man the children are mankind

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-17‬ ‭

the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;

to be made like unto his brethren

He didn’t become and angel because angels aren’t the sons

“being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee?

And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

angels are servants or spiritual ministers of God mankind are children of God

 

[DavidTree]

“Anyone who tells you different from this does not understand because their hearts were hardened by unbelief and religion.”

This idea is why it’s becoming hard to discuss with you.

This is not directed at you but at those, who over a period of 2,000 Years, replaced and/or diluted the Truth with carnal religion and tradition.

The evidence is worldwide of the Fallen Angel Hybrid Nephilim.

There is so much that has been hidden by religion/satan to keep the Truth of Scripture contained as much as possible.

Only by complete abandonment from religion to the Word and the Holy Spirit can one see clearly, the Picture God painted for us from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[DavidTree]

yeah the thing is if we read the ot it tells us about Dodson and Gomorrah and the men there and why it was destroyed. He’s just explainkng that if we think we’re able to keep rebelling in any way we’re way off and have forgotten the truth that the angels sinned leading man astray and we’re judged and the men of soddom and Gomorrah also in tbier sins were judged as well

Jude is reminding Christians that we can’t keep sinning and expecting to be saved it’s why he gives the examples Jesus did the same thing using the flood and soddom and Gomorrah regarding judgement

there’s no question that angels aren’t the sons of God that’s reserved for mankind it’s why Christ the son didn’t become an angel but a man the children are mankind

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-17‬ ‭

the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;

to be made like unto his brethren

He didn’t become and angel because angels aren’t the sons

“being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee?

And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

angels are servants or spiritual ministers of God mankind are children of God

Always know this = God put us together and we love each other because of His Precious Spirit HE has given us.
Will we agree on all things = not now = but in time all will made clear for us.

We ALL strive to ascertain what only the Holy Spirit can reveal even though it is right in front of us.

Also - i'm in pain and it comes thru in my posts so i cannot type long sentences.

 

[Marilyn]

Genuine question...
Angels are spirits , cannot they enter into a human body ?...This would be the way that they used man to make the giants...
...xox...

Hi Rosemary,

i agree that angels are spirits, and they can enter a human body, however it is that person`s seed that is passed on for a spirit does NOT have any seed.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn]

This is not directed at you but at those, who over a period of 2,000 Years, replaced and/or diluted the Truth with carnal religion and tradition.

The evidence is worldwide of the Fallen Angel Hybrid Nephilim.

There is so much that has been hidden by religion/satan to keep the Truth of Scripture contained as much as possible.

Only by complete abandonment from religion to the Word and the Holy Spirit can one see clearly, the Picture God painted for us from Genesis to Revelation.

Remember this verse? `The first man was of the earth, made of dust, the SECOND MAN IS THE LORD FROM HEAVEN.` (1 Cor. 47)

First man - Adam and from him, his lineage.

Second man - Christ and from Him His lineage.


Note there is NO other lineage at all!!!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This is not directed at you but at those, who over a period of 2,000 Years, replaced and/or diluted the Truth with carnal religion and tradition.

The evidence is worldwide of the Fallen Angel Hybrid Nephilim.

There is so much that has been hidden by religion/satan to keep the Truth of Scripture contained as much as possible.

it’s no offense to me brother you have never once offended me in any matter. I’m saying when we think we have it all figured out and anyone who doesn’t agree just doesn’t get it it’s a bad place to be and we’re surely heading for a humbling. I love you and just wanted to offer that thought that sometimes we think we know but it’s just what we think

that being said you could be right about all this I myself don’t believe in 450 ft giants which were spawned by angels and women but you know could be wrong I suppose if I ever read a scripture about it it would change my thinking and like I’m saying who knows who’s right in a lot of the things we talk about in the forum open mind is always good if it’s toward scripture

and yes indeed a lot has been corrupted but not the word of God that’s our strong tower and fortress of solitude and truth we can trust.



I only say this because I’ve been humbled many times in many ways because of the attitude I knew and everyone else didn’t not biblically but in life I’ve learned over the years biblically I don’t know much of anything but that the word of God is true and infallible

I like discussing with you always have lately we seem out of rythym but probably one of us having some growing Pains

love you brother sorry if when we discuss it seems like I’m against you sometimes I’m definately not lately just haven’t found a lot of agreement regarding baptism or lol giants haha but Jesus ❤️❤️❤️We both belong to him and that’s what matters

 

[DavidTree]

I don't know what you think about the KJV but it reads as follows:
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

If the KJV is correct it is the cities around them that were guilty "in like manner" of giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh.

I would have to spend time investigating commentaries from Greek Scholars who can explain whether this is the best English translation for where "in like manner" should occur in the sentence. If you move it around it certainly can change what it is modifying.

And the mention of Sodom and these cities is another example of judgment having already happened since the creation of the world. That we have proofs of God's judgments and are not just warning people of something that we have no examples for.

The THREE Groups mentioned all are about sexual immorality at a LEVEL going far beyond mere adultery.
This is why they are grouped together and the Judgment was SET thru these THREE as an example for us to fear God.

Ponder/Dwell/Meditate on this = God said ALL flesh had corrupted themselves and the earth had to be CLEANSED from this corruption.

The plan of satan was almost 100% successful = pollute the bloodline to prevent the Messiah

Only 8 made it thru = God knew why and HE told us why.

 

[DavidTree]

it’s no offense to me brother you have never once offended me in any matter. I’m saying when we think we have it all figured out and anyone who doesn’t agree just doesn’t get it it’s a bad place to be and we’re surely heading for a humbling. I love you and just wanted to offer that thought that sometimes we think we know but it’s just what we think

that being said you could be right about all this I myself don’t believe in 450 ft giants which were spawned by angels and women but you know could be wrong I suppose if I ever read a scripture about it it would change my thinking and like I’m saying who knows who’s right in a lot of the things we talk about in the forum open mind is always good if it’s toward scripture

and yes indeed a lot has been corrupted but not the word of God that’s our strong tower and fortress of solitude and truth we can trust.



I only say this because I’ve been humbled many times in many ways because of the attitude I knew and everyone else didn’t not biblically but in life I’ve learned over the years biblically I don’t know much of anything but that the word of God is true and infallible

I like discussing with you always have lately we seem out of rythym but probably one of us having some growing Pains

love you brother sorry if when we discuss it seems like I’m against you sometimes I’m definately not lately just haven’t found a lot of agreement regarding baptism or lol giants haha but Jesus ❤️❤️❤️We both belong to him and that’s what matters

Well received and thank You