Ministry Of Deliverance
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I would expect his book to give some footnotes as to sources for more details and technical explainations to support this claim of translating this Greek word.
Even if I looked it up in a Greek Lexicon I am not sure if I am smart enough yet to understand the questions I should be asking.
If all the English translations use Possess, and knowing that there were committees of Koine Greek experts behind many of these translations, then why wouldn't I think they got it right? The ESV uses oppress. I like the ESV and maybe they have good reason for that word but why are they the only ones that use it?
Because the ESV uses oppress then it makes me think there may be something to his claim but here is where my red flag alert goes off... Anytime a preacher who does not know Koine Greek says "This word should have been translated....xyz" I get suspicious.
If he has three years of Koine Greek training and can read the New Testament in Greek then I respect his opinion about the nuances and shades of meaning and what the best English word for the Greek in that sentence based on context, sentence structure Greek rules etc.
If he does not know all that he better be able to present notes from an expert who does and cite the source so that we can go and read more from that source that explains the technical reasons to make that claim.
Even if I looked it up in a Greek Lexicon I am not sure if I am smart enough yet to understand the questions I should be asking.
If all the English translations use Possess, and knowing that there were committees of Koine Greek experts behind many of these translations, then why wouldn't I think they got it right? The ESV uses oppress. I like the ESV and maybe they have good reason for that word but why are they the only ones that use it?
Because the ESV uses oppress then it makes me think there may be something to his claim but here is where my red flag alert goes off... Anytime a preacher who does not know Koine Greek says "This word should have been translated....xyz" I get suspicious.
If he has three years of Koine Greek training and can read the New Testament in Greek then I respect his opinion about the nuances and shades of meaning and what the best English word for the Greek in that sentence based on context, sentence structure Greek rules etc.
If he does not know all that he better be able to present notes from an expert who does and cite the source so that we can go and read more from that source that explains the technical reasons to make that claim.
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Why is it not about Satan, although personified as the king of Babylon (and also the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28)? Babylon in Scripture has a specific meaning associated with pagan idolatry (Mystery Babylon) , and Satan is the mastermind behind all idolatry and false religions. But the passage itself clearly speaks of Satan.
Was the king of Babylon ever in Heaven, and could he even ascend into Heaven above the angels (called stars) of God? Could the king of Babylon or any human king say "I will be like the most High"? Yet Lucifer is specifically told that he was cast out of Heaven because of this. And only a prominent angel -- a cherub in Heaven (as noted in Ezekiel 28) -- would show the pride and ambition shown below:
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Lucifer was probably the chief cherub in Heaven, and the job of the Cherubim was to guard the throne of God. Yet this evil-minded cherub literally wanted to displace God and sit on His throne. As a result he was cast out of Heaven with all his evil angels, and Hell (Gehenna, the Lake of Fire) was prepared specifically for the devil and his angels. And yet he is not through with that ambition, as we see in 2 Thessalonians 2. God will allow Satan through the Antichrist to claim to be God. But he will be cut down and cast into the Lake of Fire.
Was the king of Babylon ever in Heaven, and could he even ascend into Heaven above the angels (called stars) of God? Could the king of Babylon or any human king say "I will be like the most High"? Yet Lucifer is specifically told that he was cast out of Heaven because of this. And only a prominent angel -- a cherub in Heaven (as noted in Ezekiel 28) -- would show the pride and ambition shown below:
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Lucifer was probably the chief cherub in Heaven, and the job of the Cherubim was to guard the throne of God. Yet this evil-minded cherub literally wanted to displace God and sit on His throne. As a result he was cast out of Heaven with all his evil angels, and Hell (Gehenna, the Lake of Fire) was prepared specifically for the devil and his angels. And yet he is not through with that ambition, as we see in 2 Thessalonians 2. God will allow Satan through the Antichrist to claim to be God. But he will be cut down and cast into the Lake of Fire.
It's not about Satan because he's not even in the chapter. For that matter indeed the King of Tyre and the Sidonians is what Ezekiel 28 is about, not Satan.
Satan isn't an angel, though it is written he will pretend to be one to trick his foolish followers. Which then when you figure that out it is kinda dark how they praise him calling him by the epithet of "morning star". There is no wisdom in him nor any brightness. Satan though if you want to know what he is, the Bible tells you he is an animal point blank, a serpent, a red dragon specifically. Indeed you are correct though his wantonness and foolishness is not over yet. In fact the greater part of his insanity will be towards the end when thrown down here very physically because on that day he will know that his life is short because indeed Lord Jesus will use the very famous Sword to slaughter his entire kingdom of creations which he possessed via the demons (those he deceived!) Then God will send fire down upon him and that's it for him, praise God!
Satan isn't an angel, though it is written he will pretend to be one to trick his foolish followers. Which then when you figure that out it is kinda dark how they praise him calling him by the epithet of "morning star". There is no wisdom in him nor any brightness. Satan though if you want to know what he is, the Bible tells you he is an animal point blank, a serpent, a red dragon specifically. Indeed you are correct though his wantonness and foolishness is not over yet. In fact the greater part of his insanity will be towards the end when thrown down here very physically because on that day he will know that his life is short because indeed Lord Jesus will use the very famous Sword to slaughter his entire kingdom of creations which he possessed via the demons (those he deceived!) Then God will send fire down upon him and that's it for him, praise God!
I'm a bit confused by your comment in red, are you saying that people who "speak in tongues" are possessed, because you write "Christians can be attacked but not posessed."
Were the disciples "possessed" who were baptised in the Spirit (filled with the Spirit) on the Day of Pentecost, with the evidence of "speaking in tongues", or Cornelius and his family/friends when they had the same experience as Peter and the rest of the 120, had in the Upper Room? Acts 2v1-4, 10v43-44.
Were the disciples "possessed" who were baptised in the Spirit (filled with the Spirit) on the Day of Pentecost, with the evidence of "speaking in tongues", or Cornelius and his family/friends when they had the same experience as Peter and the rest of the 120, had in the Upper Room? Acts 2v1-4, 10v43-44.
You have arrived here recently and have already started contradicting the Bible. Satan is an EVIL ANGEL, and this is exactly what we find in Scripture. Please note carefully: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (2 Cor 11:14). What is Paul teaching here? That Satan -- who is an evil angel -- presents himself as "an angel of light".
But the fact that he is indeed an angel is shown in Revelation 12:
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars [angels] of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born...
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
If you are going to come on a Christian forum and then begin contradicting the Bible, you will (a) mislead many and (b) prove that you are a false teacher. So kindly do not make comments which are inappropriate.
But the fact that he is indeed an angel is shown in Revelation 12:
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars [angels] of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born...
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
If you are going to come on a Christian forum and then begin contradicting the Bible, you will (a) mislead many and (b) prove that you are a false teacher. So kindly do not make comments which are inappropriate.
There's no contradiction. He masquerades and transforms because that's not what he really is, that's a disguise, which makes sense seeing as he is a deceiver. Don't fall for that trick. The old serpent is an animal, you even just posted pointblank where it says he is the old serpent named Satan and Devil. How do you not understand?
How can you post such foolishness and hold on to your error? Satan is not an animal, and that is simply laughable. Did an animal offer all the kingdoms of the world to Christ? It is a dangerous thing to persist and double down in your errors. Far better to admit that you were wrong, and will not make the same mistake again.
Yes, Satan either entered into a serpent or took the form of a serpent in Genesis 3. Therefore he is called "that great dragon", so he may have appeared as either a dragon or a serpent. It makes no difference. Both are reptiles, and it may even have been in the form of a dinosaur for all we know.
But since the Bible says that he is an angel -- indeed a cherub -- kindly stop posting nonsense and contradicting the Bible. Genuine Christians DO NOT contradict the Bible. Both Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are revelations about Satan. And you have blatantly denied that.
Yes, Satan either entered into a serpent or took the form of a serpent in Genesis 3. Therefore he is called "that great dragon", so he may have appeared as either a dragon or a serpent. It makes no difference. Both are reptiles, and it may even have been in the form of a dinosaur for all we know.
But since the Bible says that he is an angel -- indeed a cherub -- kindly stop posting nonsense and contradicting the Bible. Genuine Christians DO NOT contradict the Bible. Both Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are revelations about Satan. And you have blatantly denied that.
Yes, the pathetic foolish old animal told Jesus that he would give him the kingdoms of the world. Clearly he was lying seeing as Jesus is already the King of Kings. You will notice too that the old serpent is rehashing the same Three Lies he told to the woman in the Garden.
The Bible never says he's a cherub you cannot find one single verse that says Satan is a cherub I guarantee it.
Isaiah 14 is not about Satan, nor is Ezekiel 28. Those chapters tell you who they are about.
The Bible never says he's a cherub you cannot find one single verse that says Satan is a cherub I guarantee it.
Isaiah 14 is not about Satan, nor is Ezekiel 28. Those chapters tell you who they are about.
Matt 10:5These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’c 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers,d cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.
1 Peter 2:21 For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. 22 He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. 23 When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly.
John 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.
John 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.
There is nowhere in scripture that provides that idea. Jesus said you will love one master and hate the other. Light has no fellowship with darkness. Prosession happens from the outside, not from the inside. The Holy Spirit in the believer is not going to retreat to appease a demon. When God is present all bow to those in Heaven and on earth those seen and unseen.