Uvalde, TX School Shooting

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Roughsoul1991

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My point is you would swamp the police with millions of referrals every year that are pointless. My point is that 99.999% of the kids who have bad behavior grow out of this, mature and don't go on to become mass murderers.
I doubt he means just normal bad behavior.

There are extreme warning signs that normal kids do not get into.
 

ZNP

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I doubt he means just normal bad behavior.

There are extreme warning signs that normal kids do not get into.
I have asked multiple times and have yet to learn what he means.

The kid in Buffalo threatened to come and shoot up the school. The teacher did report this, they were referred to psychiatric help as well as to the law enforcement.

Schools are already mandated to report these extreme warning signs. What is it he wants schools to do that they aren't doing?
 

Socreta93

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Regardless about gun control but I really hope that we can all agree than someone not even allowed to drink (unless properly trained in the military) shouldn't have easy access to an AR-15. How we can solve that problem I don't know. Besides that yes, there is more of what happened and how it happened but less WHY it happened.
 

CS1

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My point is you would swamp the police with millions of referrals every year that are pointless. My point is that 99.999% of the kids who have bad behavior grow out of this, mature and don't go on to become mass murderers.
LOL, you would think that huh?

There was a time when students respected the teacher and Principal and did not want to go see Him or her. It has gotten so bad they have to have at some schools armed police and dogs and metal detectors and call the police for disciplinary issues that at a time before Liberals messed it up was handled by teachers, parents, and Principals.

What ridiculous comment you are saying 99.9 % that grown out of it? LOL with discipline and accountability. With your attitude, I guess the shooting must be because the gun fired itself.
 

CS1

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I'm sorry if I missed it but what is your proposed change in procedure for schools?
simple adhere to the following :

1. mandated Reporting
2. Social workers need to do their job and report more than just seeing a child give out a check
3. hold school and parents accountable for not providing proper parenting or addressing threats by the student.
4. remove funding from districts that lower the rules and school student manual
5. zero-tolerance policies for assault on teachers and staff. including verbal.

That would be a good start.
 

ZNP

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LOL, you would think that huh?

There was a time when students respected the teacher and Principal and did not want to go see Him or her. It has gotten so bad they have to have at some schools armed police and dogs and metal detectors and call the police for disciplinary issues that at a time before Liberals messed it up was handled by teachers, parents, and Principals.

What ridiculous comment you are saying 99.9 % that grown out of it? LOL with discipline and accountability. With your attitude, I guess the shooting must be because the gun fired itself.
1/2,600,000 = 99.9999% My point is that every year 2.6 million are expelled and this year we have a kid who was expelled last year shooting up a school. What happened to the 2,599,999 kids who were expelled last year and didn't shoot up a school? Being expelled is a very serious bad behavior.
 

hornetguy

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the argument of gun control or more guns are sidebars to the real issues. What has been consistent in every school shooting?

  1. all males young
  2. drug or substance buses issues
  3. broken homes
  4. parent or family member allowed access to guns
  5. anger and emotionally troubled
  6. the family hid these issues
  7. Schools hid these issues
The home and the school have failed. they teach no respect, and the schools do not enforce the rules, dress codes, or discipline unless it is serious actions. Which school cannot hide during the school day. PARENTS ARE NOT CALLED many are told schools to deal with it. The very 18-year-old who did this shooting shot his grandmother first why? because he was angry he did not graduate.

a small community where everyone knows everyone yet, they all said nothing and did nothing. But politicians cry takes guns and others will cry we need more guns but the issue is

No respect for life and abandonment of God 1. in the home 2. respect for elders 3. fear of God 4. love your children to discipline them before they become monsters.
and, you left out the MAIN smoking gun that nobody wants to talk about, because of Big Pharma...

almost ALL, if not all, of these young school shooters either are taking, or have taken one or more of the psychotropic types of drugs prescribed freely for ADD....
ALL of those drugs list suicidal or homicidal thoughts as some of the side effects.. these drugs are mood/mind altering drugs, and doctors have been prescribing them like candy for decades now. Parents have glibly drugged their children to prevent them from being, well, ...children.
Nearly ALL children have some sort of attention deficit at one time or another..... drugging them is arguably the WORST thing that can be done for them, and I believe we are reaping the results of this...

That is the only common denominator I have seen in all of these shootings.... I don't believe it is necessarily the ONLY cause, but it almost certainly one of the main causes....

check it out....
 

ZNP

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simple adhere to the following :

1. mandated Reporting
2. Social workers need to do their job and report more than just seeing a child give out a check
3. hold school and parents accountable for not providing proper parenting or addressing threats by the student.
4. remove funding from districts that lower the rules and school student manual
5. zero-tolerance policies for assault on teachers and staff. including verbal.

That would be a good start.
Teachers and school staff are already mandated reporters. That is not a change in policy.

Telling social workers to do their job is not a change in policy.

Schools and parents already are held accountable for their actions, unless you want to add something, that is not a change in policy.

The entire "no child left behind" was all about removing funding for schools that didn't meet standards.

We already have policies in place to deal with assault including verbal.

What I want to know is what policy do you want changed or added to deal with "school's hiding information".
 
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Where was the security?
How was this person able to just walk into a building and start shooting.
Someone needs to be held accountable.
 

ZNP

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Where was the security?
How was this person able to just walk into a building and start shooting.
Someone needs to be held accountable.
Small town of a few thousand people, it was an elementary school, what kind of "security" were you expecting?
 

CS1

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1/2,600,000 = 99.9999% My point is that every year 2.6 million are expelled and this year we have a kid who was expelled last year shooting up a school. What happened to the 2,599,999 kids who were expelled last year and didn't shoot up a school? Being expelled is a very serious bad behavior.
again expelled is a reaction to bad behavior it doesn't fix it. and over 400,000,000 guns out there they are did not shoot kids. BUT

the increase of suicide among school students has doubled, and assaults on teachers doubled, there doesn't have to be thousands of shooting by students or former ones to identify trends before it gets to that. expelled doesn't fix the problem FYI

most of the shooters were expelled at one time in their life before they came back and shot up a school. You don't know what you are talking about.
 

Billyd

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IMHO, most of the shooters lack a positive male influence in their development.
 

CS1

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Teachers and school staff are already mandated reporters. That is not a change in policy.

Telling social workers to do their job is not a change in policy.

Schools and parents already are held accountable for their actions, unless you want to add something, that is not a change in policy.

The entire "no child left behind" was all about removing funding for schools that didn't meet standards.

We already have policies in place to deal with assault including verbal.

What I want to know is what policy do you want changed or added to deal with "school's hiding information".
FYI sexual abuse in school has doubled with mandated Reporting by teachers. Mandated reporting is required for all including teachers, custodians , food service etc...
 

Billyd

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it is not an opinion it is fact.
Change that, and we'll solve the problem. Unfortunately there aren't enough men willing to be a positive influence on their own children.
 

ZNP

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Here are the change in policies I would recommend for Schools and Home

1. Institute school prayer every day.

2. Create posters that are based on scripture, you could have at least 10-20 different ones posted in any school, both in the classrooms and in the hallways.

3. Encourage a bible study club at any school. (The way clubs work is that teachers will list what club they would like to run and then if they get enough kids interested the school will fund the club. However, a teacher cannot do a Bible study club, only kids can organize it and then the kid has to find a teacher who will host the club. This makes it very difficult because teachers are not permitted to talk about their Christian faith at school so how would a kid know which teacher to ask?)

4. Rather than referring ADHD and other types of disruptive kids to big pharma, refer them to someone who will focus on their diet and exercise. There is a very strong correlation between using psychotropic drugs and school shooters.

5. Instead of paying for a large team of cops to provide security to every school instead fund Music, Art, Drama, and after school sports programs. The high school I was at had about 8 full time cops, the salary for one full time cop would cover 8-10 after school programs.

6. School disciplinary issues should result in calling in the parents and determining if the kid is playing violent video games and watching porn. Then, rather than expulsion the parents hand over the video game and TV. Schools also have parent coordinators who visit homes. So once a kid is identified as a problem kid the parent coordinator will visit the home so this is not simply "the honor system". Let's vilify violent video games and pornographic TV.

7. School disciplinary cases should also be able to mandate a kid attend after school programs.
 

ZNP

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again expelled is a reaction to bad behavior it doesn't fix it. and over 400,000,000 guns out there they are did not shoot kids. BUT

the increase of suicide among school students has doubled, and assaults on teachers doubled, there doesn't have to be thousands of shooting by students or former ones to identify trends before it gets to that. expelled doesn't fix the problem FYI

most of the shooters were expelled at one time in their life before they came back and shot up a school. You don't know what you are talking about.
Most school shooters. In the last 20 years how many is that? 10? Because if 2,600,000 kids are expelled each year then in the last 20 years it is 41 million kids. You don't understand math.
 

CS1

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Change that, and we'll solve the problem. Unfortunately there aren't enough men willing to be a positive influence on their own children.
that is not true men are under attack by feminists and a public school system to remove "men" from society. They are using Transgender, and educational strongholds to redefine males. Mostly overly controlling women.
 

shittim

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Locked doors at a minimum should be the standard, with access at one point that can be monitored.