The Chosen

[PennEd]

Which is it? He NEVER spoke to Gentiles or there was an exception and He spoke to a Gentile?? You made an absolute statement that wasn't true. For all we know, Jesus spoke to lots of Gentiles.

John 21:25
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen”

Jesus spoke to a number of Gentiles.

Also, the region where He cast out the demons into the pigs was Gentile. Jews don't raise swine.

Maybe most importantly, was when He gave the examples in Luke 4 and the Jews wanted to stone Him. The primary reason was because ALL the examples He gave were of Gentiles:

25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

 

[kaylagrl]

Yeah. I don't think it was an opinion, but, whatevs.

Jesus speaks with authority in the series, but I get how impossible it can be for some to allow a different vision than one that is embedded in one's head of EXACTLY how Jesus may act, how He looks, manners of speech, etc...

This series will bring many to Christ. And for that I'm grateful.

Did you expect any different response from this dude?! rofl I wouldn't waste my breath.

 

[PennEd]

Did you expect any different response from this dude?! rofl I wouldn't waste my breath.

You're probably right.

Every time I glance at his remarks, I think the "P" word..... Pharisee

I honestly thought he wanted to know why I thought it was good. He's railed against this series so vociferously, and not watch it, strange that he would have watched up until at least Episode 4 season 2!

 

[kaylagrl]

You're probably right.

Every time I glance at his remarks, I think the "P" word..... Pharisee

I honestly thought he wanted to know why I thought it was good. He's railed against this series so vociferously, and not watch it, strange that he would have watched up until at least Episode 4 season 2!

Lol, that's funny, I was gonna use the P word myself. He likes the sound of his own voice. I wouldn't give him the time of day. He's like that on every subject.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Every time I glance at his remarks, I think the "P" word..... Pharisee

Ahh. . .the dreaded P-word.

That's a little played don't ya think. Surely you can come up something more creative like: Leviathan spirit, Python spirit, or even the pesky Squid and Octopus spirits (yes, it's actually a thing being taught by people, check it out).

I honestly thought he wanted to know why I thought it was good.

You're right, I did want your view on why you thought it was good. That doesn't mean I intended to agree with you.

 

[kaylagrl]

Lol, that's funny, I was gonna use the P word myself. He likes the sound of his own voice. I wouldn't give him the time of day. He's like that on every subject.

Second move, he doubles down on why he's right and you're wrong. smh Terribly predictable.

 

[tobewholeagain]

The whole education system has been left out of the series from what I've seen so far.
And an accurate description of the Ancient Near Eastern mindset.

Israel was a theocracy and a caste based society. They also had a very difficult economy.

All of these things have a drastic effect on a culture.

People tend to cling to civilization and being civilized when on the edge of de-evolving into chaos. They clung to the rules in some ways. In others they were ruthless and cruel.
Such as the treatment of women. They were usually treated one half step above property. Not quite slaves but close.

It was a male dominated society...women had no access to courts. The word of a woman was not any better than that of a child. Aka worthless. Israel was unique in that they regularly actually educated the women in school. Women usually had dropped out of school by age 13 so they could learn how to cook and clean and weave and sew...all the "women's work". So they could learn how to be a good wife to their husband's they were usually already promised to. Their promised husband's usually paid a hefty price for them already. The girl's fathers were usually saving up a fortune for the dowry and the wedding celebration. And if the dowry was too small it would be easy for her future husband to divorce her.

And Jesus seems to be learning from the people around him and NOT from his Father which is a massive problem with the series. Being taught by God is very different than being taught by the people around you.

At age 12 Jesus was already impressing the Rabbi and Experts at the Temple. So when Jesus was beginning his tour.(18 years later)...He was a highly accomplished Rabbi with his lessons already in poetry and complete earworms.

During this period Jerusalem was under the rule of the Romans which the local community strongly rejected.
When the great revolt against the pagan Romans and their collaborators (66-74 AD) finally occurred, it began among the Galileans.
That the World May Know | Rabbi and Talmidim
in Palestine there were a number of occasions when more restless elements in the population resisted Roman abuses and followed the tradition of “zealousness for the Law.”
under the Romans (ruled 37-4 B.C.E.). Herod surrounded himself with Greek scholars and undertook many building projects, including a magnificent and fortified palace. He rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem.
Before he died, Jesus of Nazareth was born.
Life for the Jews under the procurators was exceedingly difficult. This protrait is confirmed by the Jewish historian Josephus who chronicled a number of events that provoked the Jews under Pilate and other procurators, leading to riots, beatings, and executions.
Jewish rebellion against Roman rule in Judaea. The revolt was preceded by years of clashes between Jews and Romans in the area.
Bar Kokhba Revolt | History & Facts | Britannica
The history of the Jews in the Roman Empire
Rebellion in Judaea
Although Judaea was ruled by the Romans, the governors there had practiced the same kind of religious tolerance as was shown to Jews in Rome.
In 66 AD, this discontent exploded into open rebellion. Four years later, the Roman army had crushed the revolt,
The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Jews In Roman Times | PBS
The history of Palestine is the study of the past in the region of Palestine, defined as the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River.
In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
The crucifixion of Jesus occurred in 1st-century Judea, most likely in either AD 30 or AD 33. According to the canonical gospels Jesus was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin, and then sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged, and finally crucified by the Romans.
Collectively referred to as the Passion, Jesus' suffering and redemptive death by crucifixion are the central aspects of Christian theology concerning the doctrines of salvation and atonement.
Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia
In the canonical gospels, Pilate's court refers to the trial of Jesus in praetorium before Pontius Pilate, preceded by the Sanhedrin Trial. In the Gospel of Luke, Pilate finds that Jesus, being from Galilee, belonged to Herod Antipas' jurisdiction, and so he decides to send Jesus to Herod. After questioning Jesus and receiving very few replies, Herod sees Jesus as no threat and returns him to Pilate.
At the time Jerusalem was part of Roman Judea, the charges of the Sanhedrin against Jesus held no power before Pilate. From the three charges brought by the Pharisees leaders (perverting the nation, forbidding the payment of tribute, and sedition against the Roman Empire), Pilate picks up on the third one, asking: "Are you the King of the Jews?". Jesus replies with "You have said so". Then the hearing continues, and Pilate finally asks Jesus "What is truth?". This was said after learning that Jesus did not wish to claim any terrestrial kingdom. He was therefore not a political threat and could be seen as innocent of such a charge. [Jn. 18:36]
Stepping back outside, Pilate publicly declared that he found no basis to charge Jesus,
Pilate's court - Wikipedia
Early in the morning the chief priests and elders planned to have Jesus executed.
Thirty pieces of silver was the price for which Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, according to an account in the Gospel of Matthew 26:15 in the New Testament. Before the Last Supper, Judas is said to have gone to the chief priests and agreed to hand over Jesus in exchange for 30 silver coins, and to have attempted to return the money afterwards, filled with remorse.
Pilate explained the amnesty vote and asked: 'Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?'
They shouted back: 'No, not him! Give us Barabbas!' Narrator explains Barrabas.
Pilate had Jesus flogged. Soldiers put a crown of thorns and purple robe on Jesus, hit his face and mocked him saying: 'Hail, king of the Jews!'
Pilate, outside, repeated his not guilty verdict and presented Jesus: 'Here is the man!'
Chief priests and officials shouted: 'Crucify! Crucify!' Pilate: 'Go ahead and crucify him. I myself find no guilt in him.' Jewish leaders: 'Our law says he must die because he claimed to be the Son of God.'
Pilate, afraid, interrogated Jesus inside. Jesus: 'You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.' Pilate tried to set Jesus free.
Jewish leaders [Rabbis]: 'If you let him go, you disobey Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.'
Pilate brought out Jesus around noon, saying: 'Here is your king.' They shouted: 'Take him away, crucify him!'
Pilate: 'Shall I crucify your king?' Chief priests: 'We have no king but Caesar.'
Pilate handed Jesus over to them for crucifixion.
Early in the morning Jesus was taken to Pilate by the Jewish leaders, who refused to enter the praetorium to stay ceremonially clean for Passover.
Pilate came out and asked them why. They said only Pilate could apply the death penalty.
Pilate, inside: 'Are you the king of the Jews?' Jesus: 'My kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my servants would have fought to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.'
Pilate: 'You are a king, then!' Jesus: 'You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.' Pilate: 'What is truth?'
Pilate, outside: 'I find no guilt in him.'
Sanhedrin trial of Jesus - Wikipedia
Jewish tradition and texts portray the Sanhedrin to be an established court [all of them were rabbis], based in Jerusalem with strict guidelines on how to function.
Thereafter, in Pilate's Court, the Jewish elders [Rabbis] ask Pontius Pilate to judge and condemn Jesus, accusing him of claiming to be the King of the Jews. Such a claim would be considered treasonous, for being a direct challenge to the Roman authorities.
In conclusion, after reviewing all the available written facts concerning Jesus Christ, I find overwhelming evidence that Jesus
Christ did not die for our sins but was murdered by the Romans, at the request of the local Rabbis in Jerusalem and in return, the revolt against the Roman occupation would stop.
After reviewing all the evidence, I could find, the above is my conclusion.
Agree with it or disagree-?

 

[Genipher]

In conclusion, after reviewing all the available written facts concerning Jesus Christ, I find overwhelming evidence that Jesus
Christ did not die for our sins but was murdered by the Romans, at the request of the local Rabbis in Jerusalem and in return, the revolt against the Roman occupation would stop.
After reviewing all the evidence, I could find, the above is my conclusion.
Agree with it or disagree-?

How do you murder someone who chooses to die? Someone who willingly lays down His life?

John 10:17-18
"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it up again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit...

1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins...

Hebrews 9:28
So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Are you ignoring the rest of the Bible--the words of those who walked with Jesus--where we're clearly told Christ died for our sins?

 

[PennEd]

How do you murder someone who chooses to die? Someone who willingly lays down His life?

John 10:17-18
"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it up again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit...

1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins...

Hebrews 9:28
So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Are you ignoring the rest of the Bible--the words of those who walked with Jesus--where we're clearly told Christ died for our sins?

To say Jesus did not die for our sins is pure heresy.

 

[ewq1938]

How do you murder someone who chooses to die? Someone who willingly lays down His life?

Murder is illegal killing of someone. There was no legal reason to kill Jesus. The Jews had a religious reason to have him killed but no legal reason.

 

[tobewholeagain]

Are you ignoring the rest of the Bible--the words of those who walked with Jesus--where we're clearly told Christ died for our sins?

You say this as an excuse to justify your own sins.
At least that is how I see it.
Jesus died for “your sins”
Ya, right

 

[tobewholeagain]

Murder is illegal killing of someone. There was no legal reason to kill Jesus. The Jews had a religious reason to have him killed but no legal reason.

The Truth Will Set You Free

 

[tobewholeagain]

To say Jesus did not die for our sins is pure heresy.

You, my plump dumpling, just keep sinning and Jesus will keep dying.
For you my sweet plump dumpling

 

[kaylagrl]

You say this as an excuse to justify your own sins.
At least that is how I see it.
Jesus died for “your sins”
Ya, right

??

 

[kaylagrl]

You, my plump dumpling, just keep sinning and Jesus will keep dying.
For you my sweet plump dumpling

Ahh, I get it, banned and back again.

 

[Lanolin]

are ppl still watching this on tv

Thre is another book called 'The Chosen' its by Chaim Potok
published in 1967

its about a Jewish boy growing up in Brooklyn
I've read it, it was very interesting
if you want to know about what its like being jewish in 1940s america

'the chosen' just refers to the Jewish people in general...they think of themselves as 'the elect' i.e chosen ones of God

of course
and this is stated in the Bible often enough but refered to all Israelites not just the jewish tribe, but the jewish ones were considered the royal line

 

[Lanolin]

also there a sequel called The Promise, but I dont think I read that one...it was ages ago I read The Chosen

You can probably find them in your public library

my thoughts are of that story was the boy seemed like a lonely only child lol
he grow up to be a rabbi if I recall
but what I most remmeber is his parents kept wanting him to drink his fresh orange juice or the vitamins would be lost

 

[PennEd]

In conclusion, after reviewing all the available written facts concerning Jesus Christ, I find overwhelming evidence that Jesus
Christ did not die for our sins but was murdered by the Romans, at the request of the local Rabbis in Jerusalem and in return, the revolt against the Roman occupation would stop.
After reviewing all the evidence, I could find, the above is my conclusion.

Regardless of what pedantic name calling you'd like to engage in, this REMAINS a damnable heresy you are preaching.

And don't forget Jesus was, is, and will ever be JEWISH! How do you like that?

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

Christ did not die for our sins but was murdered by the Romans, at the request of the local Rabbis in Jerusalem and in return, the revolt against the Roman occupation would stop.
After reviewing all the evidence, I could find, the above is my conclusion.
Agree with it or disagree-?

You make pretty good points. However, Jesus both died for the sins and was also murdered. If you go back to when they begin to conspire to murder him this is obvious.

John 11:46-53
46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.

47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.

48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.

 

[Ted01]

You can learn to read if you know the langauge

otherwise, use a translation in your own tongue

Some things we are just going to miss because the idioms are not the same. Like all the names have special meanings that are not immediately obvious to a non Hebrew speaker.

For example, Jesus, (greek transliteration) or Yeshua means salvation, and its a short version of Joshua or Yehoshua

at the time the gentile world was speaking greek. Many Israelites were speaking greek too. It easnt that Jesus didnt speak greek but it was not his native tongue, though he would have picked it up. Paul spread the gospel into greek speaking population (gentiles)

Just wondering... if Jesus is a Greek transliteration of Yeshua - why isn't Joshua (OT, son of Nun) transliterated as Jesus too?