Uvalde, TX School Shooting

[ZNP]

I want to make this clear, as a teacher I went through very serious trainings every year on how to respond in these type of cases. We watched videos and heard police explain the protocol. We also drilled, were timed and were graded several times throughout each school year.

With that as my background I was taught that the police do not wait for special units to arrive. They understand that a shooter can be killing the kids. The cops are supposed to enter immediately.

People who are shot will often die from bleeding out. Waiting 40 minutes for special unit to arrive is absolutely contrary to the training I went through.

I would also point out that we were told this was a national directive, not something unique to NY. This was driven home by the videos we watched which were of cops simulating a shooting and they were not in NY.

It is too early to judge at this point but everything I have heard so far is screaming that something very horribly wrong with the police response and the principals response took place.

1. I can't believe that a door was left open after 12 minutes of someone shooting a gun in the vicinity of school property. They should have been in a shelter in place drill and every door should have been checked that it was locked by then.

2. I can't believe the classroom this shooter entered wasn't locked. If the school was in a shelter in place the teacher should have locked her door, covered her windows and shut of her lights. We know the door locked because when the police came it was locked. We also know the shooter didn't just break in because the door was locked when the police came.

3. I can't believe the police would call out for kids to say help. The procedure I was taught was you wait until the school announces the all clear. You have a piece of paper you can slide under the door indicating everything is good in the classroom. The classrooms without the paper slid into the hall would therefore stand out for the cops to focus on first. We were specifically told not to respond to anyone calling to us, after all what is the point of covering the windows and turning off the lights.

4. I am stunned the cops waited for 40 minutes outside, holding parents back. Unless the protocol was changed this year that is contrary to what I was taught and told to expect.

5. The misinformation we have received so far is very fishy. Why tell us that a security guard shot at his guy if there was no security guard?

 

[shittim]

As he ought to be. What a horrific comparison to make. But it shows his character quite clearly.

and lack thereof

 

[ZNP]

I know the school is old, but there is so much new technology with door and lock access and fire/life safety and video survelliance that's relatively inexpensive and user friendly and easily installed in older buildings - it just makes me heartsick that all schools haven't adopted the simplest methods to install even the most minimal safeguards. We'd rather argue about guns. Or following police procedure or political pressure or whatever that kept these lawmen from storming the building. This keeps happening and NOTHING is done. With all the choices we have and all the money we have, it's got to be guns that's taken away from people who wouldn't dream of doing something like this. It's unbelievable how unthinking and shortsighted people have become.

There is no way they didn't know what was happening. In a school every single classroom will have a window. You have 30 kids, 5-10 of them are looking out the window. A guy crashes his car and shoots a gun at the funeral home across the street at the fence! Trust me 100 kids are at the windows watching. Every class has a phone to call the office, every teacher has a cell phone. Check the phone records, ask the kids, I am sure the Principal's office was called within a minute or two of this and they had around 10 minutes to go into lockdown.

 

[ZNP]

Well he's a few differences, 1. a career criminal died vs innocent children 2. I don't want to hear about the lefts Saint Floyd vs innocent children. That's my opinion.

That is why I think this event stinks, George Floyd was the perfect person to split the country. Half would see the brutality of this as a police execution of a very small time criminal, the other half would see a career criminal who died of a drug overdose.

 

[ZNP]

I have a theory

Before we come up with a solution we need to determine what the problem was. To my understanding there are two problems here:

1. The response of those in charge both at the school and with the police. I have a theory of what the problem is. I know that there are many people who know exactly how to respond, they train others in how to respond and we see them often in these crisis (think of Sully Sullenberger and if you saw the movie he pointed out everyone did their job, the co pilot, the air controllers, the stewardesses, the emergency people on the ground and on the water). But it is becoming very clear that those involved in this tragedy were completely incompetent. Why? How? This is what happens when people are promoted based on who they know or some other ridiculous reason other than merit. My theory is that everyone in charge was incompetent and that is the first problem that has to be addressed. Instead of the miracle on the Hudson we had the Exxon Valdez with a drunk driving the boat.

2. Where does this kid and other kids who are committing these horrible crimes come from? We know some things that are undeniable. They were in a lockdown, isolated and spent a whole lot of time unsupervised on the internet. The internet is a source of evil. Yes, it is also a source of life giving ministry, but it is not realistic to think that out of 350 million Americans a significant number won't get sucked into the most evil corners of the internet. Second, social media promotes "going viral". The speak vile evil and at the same time are encouraging these kids to
"go viral".

When I got a computer for my kids I put software onto the computer to control what they can view and got a router that I could turn on and off at will. And yet my youngest was able to get around it! How? These phones can be set up as a router! OK, so I changed the plan to eliminate data and streaming to the phone. My point was that in the house it is able to go through the house router and you can see and download whatever you want. Only then when I shut off his internet would he come out of his room to find out why.

 

[ZNP]

https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/26/san-francisco-merit-based-admission-failing-grade/

Elite High School Ended Merit-Based Admissions. It Was A Complete Disaster

Equity agenda strikes again.

Bernie Kerik gives you the bottom line of this Texas fiasco on Steve Bannon. Their response was "lunacy" -- his words.

If my kids were in elementary school I'd pull them for the rest of the year. You are going to have copy cats.

 

[ZNP]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...oot-and-kill-armed-man-near-elementary-school

Toronto police shoot and kill armed man near elementary school

 

[ZNP]

https://reason.com/2022/05/26/uvalde-texas-mass-shooting-statistics-gun-crimes-misleading/

There Have Been 13 Mass School Shootings Since 1966, Not 27 This Year

That works out to 1 every 4 years. Yet, we have had 2 in the last few weeks. This country is in collapse.

 

[ZNP]

There is no way they didn't know what was happening. In a school every single classroom will have a window. You have 30 kids, 5-10 of them are looking out the window. A guy crashes his car and shoots a gun at the funeral home across the street at the fence! Trust me 100 kids are at the windows watching. Every class has a phone to call the office, every teacher has a cell phone. Check the phone records, ask the kids, I am sure the Principal's office was called within a minute or two of this and they had around 10 minutes to go into lockdown.

It just came out that the Uvalde shooter fired off shots outside the elementary school for 12 minutes before entering -- WSJ

I guarantee, based on my experience, that there were kids at the windows telling their teachers there was a man out there with a gun. This is based on my experience as a teacher. Any decent teacher would have then called the principal's office.

 

[ZNP]

Eyewitness account

'Everyone Was Scared and Everything, and I Told Them to Be Quiet,' Says 10-Year-Old Who Survived the Shooting NYT

https://www.yahoo.com/news/everyone-scared-everything-told-them-120638969.html

 

[ZNP]

Going forward the application to get a gun should include your social media accounts, your five favorite websites, and your favorite video games. This could help anyone checking spot an issue, it could also help us spot troubling trends. If this kid was influenced by the sites he was on when he was online then we should be studying that more.

Bannon said one similarity in many of these mass shootings is that they were not Christian. That seems far too general to be of any use. But if they were a particular brand of Satanist, well then that would certainly help us in creating "red flags".

 

[mailmandan]

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/uvalde-texas-school-shooting

Let the blame games begin.

 

[ZNP]

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/uvalde-texas-school-shooting

Let the blame games begin.

The evidence is undeniable that mistakes were made.

I just learned that a teacher was outside when this guy crashed his car and started shooting. She ran into the building and called 911. This means they had 12 minutes to issue a "shelter in place" lockdown. Why wasn't that done? In a shelter in place drill there is a person who is responsible to make sure all the doors are closed and locked. When you practice this it must be completed within 3 minutes of issuing the drill. Also, once the drill takes place every teacher is to lock their door, cover the windows and turn off the lights. If they had done that the teachers classroom would not have been unlocked 12 minutes later.

This isn't the "blame game". If the shooter had chased the teacher into the building then fine, I get it. But he didn't. Her saying she forgot to lock the door behind her doesn't wash with me. She went to the office and called 911. The ball was dropped by the Principal, by the office and by 911.

I live in a city of 200,000 and you can get anywhere in about 10 minutes. This city is about 1/15th the size. The cops should have been there in 5 minutes. He was an active shooter who went into a school. You don't treat it as a hostage situation, police are required to respond immediately. They could hear the gunshots, there is no excuse on this. If superiors were telling them to stand down then stand up and tell your superior it is an active shooter, not a hostage situation.

This is not simply mistakes that were made. Lies were told to try and cover up for the mistakes. I suspect if you dig a little deeper you will discover a whole lot they are trying to cover up [Teachers and principals hate a shelter in place drill because if you are outside of the school you are locked out. This happened at lunch time after an awards ceremony. Was the principal out of the school at lunch?]. Regardless, what is very clear is you have incompetent people and liars who made this much worse. How many bled out because of this 40 minute wait?

You have to be accountable. Did they not do the training? It was mandatory in our state and it was online so anyone with a computer could view the videos. The drills were mandatory as well. This has been going on ever since Sandy Hook.

 

[JTB]

Going forward the application to get a gun should include your social media accounts, your five favorite websites, and your favorite video games. This could help anyone checking spot an issue, it could also help us spot troubling trends. If this kid was influenced by the sites he was on when he was online then we should be studying that more.

Bannon said one similarity in many of these mass shootings is that they were not Christian. That seems far too general to be of any use. But if they were a particular brand of Satanist, well then that would certainly help us in creating "red flags".

Oh, but that would be governmental spying on the individual and violating the individual's freedom.

 

[ZNP]

Oh, but that would be governmental spying on the individual and violating the individual's freedom.

Give people an option, they can go visit a mental health professional who will have to certify that they are mentally stable, or they can just provide this. One option is free to them, the other option protects their privacy.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Going forward the application to get a gun should include your social media accounts, your five favorite websites, and your favorite video games.

That would unlawfully infringe on the privacy of the majority. The crazies are probably only about 0.0001% of the population. So the real issue is to address craziness and drug abuse. Where are the insane asylums and mental hospitals. Of course the root problem is demonic activity, possession, and control. And the mental health "professionals" laugh at the existence of the spirit world. They are too "enlightened".

 

[ZNP]

That would unlawfully infringe on the privacy of the majority. The crazies are probably only about 0.0001% of the population. So the real issue is to address craziness and drug abuse. Where are the insane asylums and mental hospitals. Of course the root problem is demonic activity, possession, and control. And the mental health "professionals" laugh at the existence of the spirit world. They are too "enlightened".

If we want to check mental health you can't simply ask if the person has been committed or has a history of mental health issues. Have them checked out.

I feel the best way to deal with this is to require gun owners to have liability insurance. Now if you have owned guns for 40 years without incidence you are probably a very low risk and the premium will be very low. But if you are 18 the insurance company may want to see your social media, do an interview and perhaps even bring in a mental health professional. This is fully within the constitution. It suggests a well regulated militia. The parents of all these kids at this school, not just the ones who were killed, is anyone going to help pay for them to have their kids get help? Is anyone paying for the funerals of these kids? If this had been a car crash the insurance company would be paying out a million dollars or more, why is there no liability insurance for gun owners?

Also, the minute you bring the insurance companies into this they will institute a whole lot of policies that will reduce your monthly premium. When you buy ammo you have to show proof of insurance so the insurance company will immediately see your purchases. They can have AI algorithms that scan the social media posts and look at your purchases and immediately spot danger signals. After all they have skin in the game.

 

[gb9]

That would unlawfully infringe on the privacy of the majority. The crazies are probably only about 0.0001% of the population. So the real issue is to address craziness and drug abuse. Where are the insane asylums and mental hospitals. Of course the root problem is demonic activity, possession, and control. And the mental health "professionals" laugh at the existence of the spirit world. They are too "enlightened".

this is a huge point- the refusal to acknowledge the evil side of the spirt world that is behind a lot of what is wrong with the world today.

 

[kaylagrl]

Going forward the application to get a gun should include your social media accounts, your five favorite websites, and your favorite video games. This could help anyone checking spot an issue, it could also help us spot troubling trends. If this kid was influenced by the sites he was on when he was online then we should be studying that more.

If we go according to those standards, Kyle Rittenhouse would be dead today instead of suing CNN. Everyone argued black and blue that he shouldn't have had a gun.

 

[ZNP]

If we go according to those standards, Kyle Rittenhouse would be dead today instead of suing CNN. Everyone argued black and blue that he shouldn't have had a gun.

I have already said that this could be optional, if you don't want the state to have your social media address then you can go to a mental health professional that would interview you and sign off on a form for you to buy the gun.

You are required to have an eye test before you can drive and a written test and a driving test.

There is no violation of your rights to require a variety of tests before you can get a gun.