Adam and Eve first people on earth?

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well the lesson of quantum mechanics is that existence is a function of a conscious observer. wave functions do not collapse by physical mechanisms but by non-physical observation by consciousness. this is demonstrated scientifically. the universe exists, therefore there is a universal observer: omniscient God.
His invisible qualities are clearly seen by that which is made - so that no one has any excuse. give that to the atheists :)

yes even one living soul is amazing! beyond comprehension. but God didn't only make the earth, but the stars, and the distant galaxies - incomprehensibly stretched out universe enormous in scope. why? they declare His glory & handiwork, and humble us.

so one man, many men -- He saves a multitude too great for anyone to number. every living animal soul, and a remnant of man.
this is for the angels to behold - those who saw Satan fall, and heard his lies: they are perplexed and amazed at the work God does. we are a witness to them.
:). Yes. It is said we can not look at the face of God lest we die. I think it is we can not withstand the scrutiny of God, lest He see us in all our sins. Wanton thoughts, obsessive desires, angry imaginings will all be manifested with the observation a higher dimensional Being and hence to us.
The copenhagen interpretation over determinism. :)

You might look up Luke Barnes. Astrophysics, University of Sydney. Wrote a few articles and videos of fine tuning of the universe. The anthropic universe is amazingly sensitive. Move one parameter a smidgeon and the universe collapses.
 
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yes :)

infinite-dimensional membranes that are defined through the truth of scripture -- the real truth that is a crazily complex picture of Messiah in types and shadows and symbols and revelation, that we will never fully comprehend until we are resurrected and brough together with Him in all knowledge and wisdom and glory.
the peaks are our 'vertices' in the infinite prism; yes, amen


our current state, in this physical universe, with its ubiquitous, mysterious laws, is a picture of that, teaching us of Him just like all the scripture does - it has to be rightly divided ((literally, "to cut straight" as the construction of a road or the skillful handling of a sword, not actually meaning separate one thing from another and ignore half!)) - and rightly dividing ((cutting straight)) means recognizing that all of this is meant to teach us about who He is

((IMO))


so -- that original question, why so many human beings?
the answer has to be something about Him & His glory.
i agree it seems trivial to say, more saved = greater glory.
maybe that really is the case or maybe not. i didn't ask that question as some kind of test or anything; i really don't know - and i wonder at it!
As long as God's Glory and Honour is upheld, you cannot be too far off from the truth.
 
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yes :)

infinite-dimensional membranes that are defined through the truth of scripture -- the real truth that is a crazily complex picture of Messiah in types and shadows and symbols and revelation, that we will never fully comprehend until we are resurrected and brough together with Him in all knowledge and wisdom and glory.
the peaks are our 'vertices' in the infinite prism; yes, amen


our current state, in this physical universe, with its ubiquitous, mysterious laws, is a picture of that, teaching us of Him just like all the scripture does - it has to be rightly divided ((literally, "to cut straight" as the construction of a road or the skillful handling of a sword, not actually meaning separate one thing from another and ignore half!)) - and rightly dividing ((cutting straight)) means recognizing that all of this is meant to teach us about who He is

((IMO))


so -- that original question, why so many human beings?
the answer has to be something about Him & His glory.
i agree it seems trivial to say, more saved = greater glory.
maybe that really is the case or maybe not. i didn't ask that question as some kind of test or anything; i really don't know - and i wonder at it!
Anyways, I think this wiil be my last message on this site. Need to drink some milk.
I wish you well though we still have some disagreements (calvinism and all). Best of luck in your endeavours. Remember, truth is truth whether in mathematics or in Scriptures. Holy Spirit synergizes all enterprises of truth.
 
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Yes. Because the world is not what we think it is.

The perfect man within Adam was revealed by the shadow of the light inside him, and his mind was stronger and more capable than the minds of his creators. His creators could not help but notice this whenever they saw him. So the whole multitude of rulers came together to decide what to do about this. They gathered fire, earth, and water, and with a great clamor and tumult forged them together with four burning winds.

The rulers dragged Adam into the shadow of death, where they made many changes to his body. They used earth, water, fire, and the spirit that comes from matter – that is, from the darkness of ignorance, and passion, and their own counterfeit spirit. In that cave, the robbers reforged Adam’s body, binding him in the chains of forgetfulness. He became mortal and alienated from his ultimate nature.

The rulers led Adam to a garden full of edible plants and commanded him to eat for pleasure. But what is pleasurable to the rulers is actually bitter, and what is beautiful to them is actually grotesque. Their happiness is fraudulent, their trees are blasphemies, their fruits are lethal poisons, and their promise is death. The snake told Adam to eat of the rulers’ flawed and corrupted food, which consists of desire, so that Adam would become useful to them.
And in the middle of that garden the rulers planted the tree of their life. The secret of their life is, what the character of their spirit is, and what plan they concocted with each other. The root of their tree is nasty, its branches are deadly, its shade is full of hate, its leaves are full of deceit, its flowers anoint one with evil, its fruit is death, its seed is passion, and it blossoms in the dark. Those who eat of it dwell in the underworld, and darkness is their place of rest.

The rulers called enlightened Reflection the “Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil,” and they stood in front of her in the hope that Adam would not glimpse her Fullness and see his shameful nakedness for what it was.

But I, the Savior, coaxed Adam to eat of its fruit.

The first ruler knew that Adam was disobeying him because of enlightened Reflection dwelling within him and making his thinking clearer and sharper than that of the first ruler. For this reason, the first ruler decided to attempt to take back the power that he had imparted to Adam. So he made a deep sleep [perception/“I will dull their minds, so that their eyes will not be able to see and their thoughts will not be able to comprehend.” ] fall over Adam.”

. So Yaldabaoth seized part of his own power from Adam and performed another act of creation. He made this new creature female after the image of enlightened Reflection that he had seen. And he put the power he had taken from Adam – not his rib as moses said but Enlightened Reflection into her.

Adam gazed at the woman who now stood next to him. At that moment, enlightened Reflection revealed herself. She pulled away the veil that the first ruler had draped over Adam’s mind. Where before he had been in a dark, drunken stupor, he now found himself sober. Recognizing his spiritual partner, he said, “Her bones are my bones, and her flesh is my flesh.” A man leaves his father and mother for such a wife, and the two of them become one, for his true love has been sent to him.

For my part, I took the form of an eagle and landed on the tree of gnosis – which is the Reflection that came from completely enlightened Forethought – so that I could teach humankind and lift them out of the depths of sleep. Through my teaching, Adam and Eve realized that they were living in naked corpses. And enlightened Reflection continued to elevate their thoughts.

When Yaldabaoth saw that humankind had turned away from him, he cursed the earth he had made. He did not perceive the mystery that had been introduced by the divine plan. In an act that showed his angels just how obtuse he was, he expelled Adam and Eve from the garden and gave them inky darkness for clothes.

The first ruler looked at Eve standing next to Adam, and saw that the enlightened Reflection of Life resided within her. He was consumed by an ignorant desire. The Forethought of the Fullness saw this and immediately sent emissaries to snatch Life out of Eve. Yaldabaoth found Eve while she was preparing herself for Adam, and he overpowered her and defiled her.


Eve became pregnant and gave birth to two sons, Elohim and Yahweh. Elohim has a bear’s face, and Yahweh has a cat’s face. Yahweh is just, but Elohim is unjust. Yaldabaoth put Yahweh in control of fire and wind, and Elohim in control of water and earth. So as to trick others, he called them “Cain” and “Abel.”


Sexual intercourse is part of the world to this day because of this atrocity committed by the first ruler. He sowed the seed of lust in humankind, and through sex they multiplied, producing more and more bodies into which the counterfeit god could breathe his counterfeit spirit. And he placed Yahweh and Elohim in charge of the cave where humankind lived.


But when Adam recognized in Eve the counterpart of his own gnosis, a son was born who was like the Son of Man. They named him “Seth” after the being in the eternal realms. And the Mother placed in Eve her own spirit in the form of a girl who would be like the beings who dwell in the Fullness. Then the Mother went back up to prepare eternal homes for those who were going to descend from Seth and his sister.


The first ruler forced humankind to drink from the waters of forgetfulness so that they would no longer know themselves, nor the place from which they had come. The race of Seth and his sister stayed on earth for a while and helped the others who were trapped there, so that when Forethought comes down from the eternal realms, those to whom she comes will be ready to be healed of their deficiency. In this way, all the Fullness might once again be holy and whole.
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FROM THE SECRET BOOK OF JOHN. ~~~ god of Israel is not the Father of Jesus.
 

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Yes. Because the world is not what we think it is.

The perfect man within Adam was revealed by the shadow of the light inside him, and his mind was stronger and more capable than the minds of his creators. His creators could not help but notice this whenever they saw him. So the whole multitude of rulers came together to decide what to do about this. They gathered fire, earth, and water, and with a great clamor and tumult forged them together with four burning winds.

The rulers dragged Adam into the shadow of death, where they made many changes to his body. They used earth, water, fire, and the spirit that comes from matter – that is, from the darkness of ignorance, and passion, and their own counterfeit spirit. In that cave, the robbers reforged Adam’s body, binding him in the chains of forgetfulness. He became mortal and alienated from his ultimate nature.

The rulers led Adam to a garden full of edible plants and commanded him to eat for pleasure. But what is pleasurable to the rulers is actually bitter, and what is beautiful to them is actually grotesque. Their happiness is fraudulent, their trees are blasphemies, their fruits are lethal poisons, and their promise is death. The snake told Adam to eat of the rulers’ flawed and corrupted food, which consists of desire, so that Adam would become useful to them.
And in the middle of that garden the rulers planted the tree of their life. The secret of their life is, what the character of their spirit is, and what plan they concocted with each other. The root of their tree is nasty, its branches are deadly, its shade is full of hate, its leaves are full of deceit, its flowers anoint one with evil, its fruit is death, its seed is passion, and it blossoms in the dark. Those who eat of it dwell in the underworld, and darkness is their place of rest.

The rulers called enlightened Reflection the “Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil,” and they stood in front of her in the hope that Adam would not glimpse her Fullness and see his shameful nakedness for what it was.

But I, the Savior, coaxed Adam to eat of its fruit.

The first ruler knew that Adam was disobeying him because of enlightened Reflection dwelling within him and making his thinking clearer and sharper than that of the first ruler. For this reason, the first ruler decided to attempt to take back the power that he had imparted to Adam. So he made a deep sleep [perception/“I will dull their minds, so that their eyes will not be able to see and their thoughts will not be able to comprehend.” ] fall over Adam.”

. So Yaldabaoth seized part of his own power from Adam and performed another act of creation. He made this new creature female after the image of enlightened Reflection that he had seen. And he put the power he had taken from Adam – not his rib as moses said but Enlightened Reflection into her.

Adam gazed at the woman who now stood next to him. At that moment, enlightened Reflection revealed herself. She pulled away the veil that the first ruler had draped over Adam’s mind. Where before he had been in a dark, drunken stupor, he now found himself sober. Recognizing his spiritual partner, he said, “Her bones are my bones, and her flesh is my flesh.” A man leaves his father and mother for such a wife, and the two of them become one, for his true love has been sent to him.

For my part, I took the form of an eagle and landed on the tree of gnosis – which is the Reflection that came from completely enlightened Forethought – so that I could teach humankind and lift them out of the depths of sleep. Through my teaching, Adam and Eve realized that they were living in naked corpses. And enlightened Reflection continued to elevate their thoughts.

When Yaldabaoth saw that humankind had turned away from him, he cursed the earth he had made. He did not perceive the mystery that had been introduced by the divine plan. In an act that showed his angels just how obtuse he was, he expelled Adam and Eve from the garden and gave them inky darkness for clothes.

The first ruler looked at Eve standing next to Adam, and saw that the enlightened Reflection of Life resided within her. He was consumed by an ignorant desire. The Forethought of the Fullness saw this and immediately sent emissaries to snatch Life out of Eve. Yaldabaoth found Eve while she was preparing herself for Adam, and he overpowered her and defiled her.


Eve became pregnant and gave birth to two sons, Elohim and Yahweh. Elohim has a bear’s face, and Yahweh has a cat’s face. Yahweh is just, but Elohim is unjust. Yaldabaoth put Yahweh in control of fire and wind, and Elohim in control of water and earth. So as to trick others, he called them “Cain” and “Abel.”


Sexual intercourse is part of the world to this day because of this atrocity committed by the first ruler. He sowed the seed of lust in humankind, and through sex they multiplied, producing more and more bodies into which the counterfeit god could breathe his counterfeit spirit. And he placed Yahweh and Elohim in charge of the cave where humankind lived.


But when Adam recognized in Eve the counterpart of his own gnosis, a son was born who was like the Son of Man. They named him “Seth” after the being in the eternal realms. And the Mother placed in Eve her own spirit in the form of a girl who would be like the beings who dwell in the Fullness. Then the Mother went back up to prepare eternal homes for those who were going to descend from Seth and his sister.


The first ruler forced humankind to drink from the waters of forgetfulness so that they would no longer know themselves, nor the place from which they had come. The race of Seth and his sister stayed on earth for a while and helped the others who were trapped there, so that when Forethought comes down from the eternal realms, those to whom she comes will be ready to be healed of their deficiency. In this way, all the Fullness might once again be holy and whole.
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FROM THE SECRET BOOK OF JOHN. ~~~ god of Israel is not the Father of Jesus.
This is rank heresy and will be reported to the Moderator as such.
 

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There is no way that 2 people of the same race and have a baby of a third race.​
There is only one race of people. There are and have been no other races of people. Red and yellow, black and white are all descended from the single man, Adam and the single woman, Eve; via Noah & his wife. That's the unmitigated record of the Bible.

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Acts 17:26 (KJV)

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12 (KJV)

And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Gen 3:20 (KJV)

These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. Gen 9:19 (KJV)

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Cor 15:22 (KJV)

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:18 (KJV)
 

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It is said we can not look at the face of God lest we die. I think it is we
can not withstand the scrutiny of God, lest He see us in all our sins.
It is by seeing ourselves as He does, and agreeing with Him, that we can acknowledge
how unworthy we are of His great unconditional love for us, and submit to His will.
 

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There is only one race of people. There are and have been no other races of people. Red and yellow, black and white are all descended from the single man, Adam and the single woman, Eve; via Noah & his wife. That's the unmitigated record of the Bible.

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Acts 17:26 (KJV)

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12 (KJV)

And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Gen 3:20 (KJV)

These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. Gen 9:19 (KJV)

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Cor 15:22 (KJV)

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:18 (KJV)
Casting out the Nations
1When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: 3Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: 8But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. 9Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; 10And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. 11Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.
 

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nations—
גּֽוֹיִם־ (gō·w·yim-)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 1471: n m 1) nation, people 1a) nation, people 1a1) usually of non-Hebrew people 1a2) of descendants of Abraham 1a3) of Israel 1b) of swarm of locusts, other animals (fig.) n pr m 1c) Goyim? = 'nations'

the Hittites,
הַֽחִתִּי֩ (ha·ḥit·tî)
Article | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 2850: Hittite = 'descendant of Heth' 1) the nation descended from Heth, the 2nd son of Canaan; once inhabitants of central Anatolia (modern Turkey), later in north Lebanon

Girgashites,
וְהַגִּרְגָּשִׁ֨י (wə·hag·gir·gā·šî)
Conjunctive waw, Article | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1622: Girgashite or Girgasite = 'dwelling on a clayey soil' 1) descendants of Canaan and one of the nations living east of the sea of Galilee when the Israelites entered the promised land

Amorites,
וְהָאֱמֹרִ֜י (wə·hā·’ĕ·mō·rî)
Conjunctive waw, Article | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 567: Amorite = 'a sayer' 1) one of the peoples of east Canaan and beyond the Jordan, dispossessed by the Israelite incursion from Egypt

Canaanites,
וְהַכְּנַעֲנִ֣י (wə·hak·kə·na·‘ă·nî)
Conjunctive waw, Article | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3669: Canaanite = see Cana 'zealous' adj 1) descendant of inhabitant of Canaan n 2) descendant or inhabitant of Canaan 3) a merchant, trader

Perizzites,
וְהַפְּרִזִּ֗י (wə·hap·pə·riz·zî)
Conjunctive waw, Article | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 6522: Perizzite = 'belonging to a village' 1) a people who inhabited southern Canaan prior to the conquest

Hivites
וְהַֽחִוִּי֙ (wə·ha·ḥiw·wî)
Conjunctive waw, Article | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 2340: Hivite = 'villagers' 1) 6th generation of descendants of Canaan, the son of Ham, who were living in northern Canaan near Mount Hermon at the time of the conquest

and Jebusites,
וְהַיְבוּסִ֔י (wə·hay·ḇū·sî)
Conjunctive waw, Article | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 2983: Jebusite = 'descendants of Jebus' 1) descendants of the 3rd son of Canaan who lived in or around the site of Jebus, the early name for Jerusalem

seven
שִׁבְעָ֣ה (šiḇ·‘āh)
Number - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7651: 1) seven (cardinal number) 1a) as ordinal number 1b) in combination-17, 700 etc

nations
גוֹיִ֔ם (ḡō·w·yim)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 1471: n m 1) nation, people 1a) nation, people 1a1) usually of non-Hebrew people 1a2) of descendants of Abraham 1a3) of Israel 1b) of swarm of locusts, other animals (fig.) n pr m 1c) Goyim? = 'nations'

larger
רַבִּ֥ים (rab·bîm)
Adjective - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 7227: adj 1) much, many, great 1a) much 1b) many 1c) abounding in 1d) more numerous than 1e) abundant, enough 1f) great 1g) strong 1h) greater than adv 1i) much, exceedingly n m 2) captain, chief

and stronger [than you]—
וַעֲצוּמִ֖ים (wa·‘ă·ṣū·mîm)
Conjunctive waw | Adjective - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 6099: 1) mighty, vast, numerous 1a) mighty, strong (in number) 1b) numerous, countless

Parallel Strong's
Berean Study Bible
When the LORD your God brings you into the land that you are entering to possess, and He drives out before you many nations— the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you—


New American Standard Bible
"When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you,

King James Bible
When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
 

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Strong's Lexicon
and when the LORD
יְהוָ֧ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: Jehovah = 'the existing One' 1) the proper name of the one true God 1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H0136

your God
אֱלֹהֶ֛יךָ (’ĕ·lō·he·ḵā)
Noun - masculine plural construct | second person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

has delivered them over
וּנְתָנָ֞ם (ū·nə·ṯā·nām)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Conjunctive perfect - third person masculine singular | third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 5414: 1) to give, put, set 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to give, bestow, grant, permit, ascribe, employ, devote, consecrate, dedicate, pay wages, sell, exchange, lend, commit, entrust, give over, deliver up, yield produce, occasion, produce, requite to, report, mention, utter, stretch out, extend 1a2) to put, set, put on, put upon, set, appoint, assign, designate 1a3) to make, constitute 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be given, be bestowed, be provided, be entrusted to, be granted to, be permitted, be issued, be published, be uttered, be assigned 1b2) to be set, be put, be made, be inflicted 1c) (Hophal) 1c1) to be given, be bestowed, be given up, be delivered up 1c2) to be put upon

to you
לְפָנֶ֖יךָ (lə·p̄ā·ne·ḵā)
Preposition-l | Noun - common plural construct | second person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 6440: 1) face 1a) face, faces 1b) presence, person 1c) face (of seraphim or cherubim) 1d) face (of animals) 1e) face, surface (of ground) 1f) as adv of loc/temp 1f1) before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime, before 1g) with prep 1g1) in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of, in the face of, at the face or front of, from the presence of, from before, from before the face of

to defeat them,
וְהִכִּיתָ֑ם (wə·hik·kî·ṯām)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Hifil - Conjunctive perfect - second person masculine singular | third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 5221: 1) to strike, smite, hit, beat, slay, kill 1a)(Niphal) to be stricken or smitten 1b) (Pual) to be stricken or smitten 1c) (Hiphil) 1c1) to smite, strike, beat, scourge, clap, applaud, give a thrust 1c2) to smite, kill, slay (man or beast) 1c3) to smite, attack, attack and destroy, conquer, subjugate, ravage 1c4) to smite, chastise, send judgment upon, punish, destroy 1d) (Hophal) to be smitten 1d1) to receive a blow 1d2) to be wounded 1d3) to be beaten 1d4) to be (fatally) smitten, be killed, be slain 1d5) to be attacked and captured 1d6) to be smitten (with disease) 1d7) to be blighted (of plants)

then you must completely destroy them
הַחֲרֵ֤ם (ha·ḥă·rêm)
Verb - Hifil - Infinitive absolute
Strong's Hebrew 2763: 1) to ban, devote, destroy utterly, completely destroy, dedicate for destruction, exterminate 1a) (Hiphil) 1a1) to prohibit (for common use), ban 1a2) to consecrate, devote, dedicate for destruction 1a3) to exterminate, completely destroy 1b) (Hophal) 1b1) to be put under the ban, be devoted to destruction 1b2) to be devoted, be forfeited 1b3) to be completely destroyed 2) to split, slit, mutilate (a part of the body) 2a) (Qal) to mutilate 2b) (Hiphil) to divide

אֹתָ֔ם (’ō·ṯām)
Direct object marker | third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 853: 1) sign of the definite direct object, not translated in English but generally preceding and indicating the accusative

Make
תִכְרֹ֥ת (ṯiḵ·rōṯ)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - second person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3772: 1) to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to cut off 1a1a) to cut off a body part, behead 1a2) to cut down 1a3) to hew 1a4) to cut or make a covenant 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be cut off 1b2) to be cut down 1b3) to be chewed 1b4) to be cut off, fail 1c) (Pual) 1c1) to be cut off 1c2) to be cut down 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cut off 1d2) to cut off, destroy 1d3) to cut down, destroy 1d4) to take away 1d5) to permit to perish 1e) (Hophal) cut off

no
לֹא־ (lō-)
Adverb - Negative particle
Strong's Hebrew 3808: 1) not, no 1a) not (with verb-absolute prohibition) 1b) not (with modifier-negation) 1c) nothing (subst) 1d) without (with particle) 1e) before (of time)

treaty
בְּרִ֖ית (bə·rîṯ)
Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1285: 1) covenant, alliance, pledge 1a) between men 1a1) treaty, alliance, league (man to man) 1a2) constitution, ordinance (monarch to subjects) 1a3) agreement, pledge (man to man) 1a4) alliance (of friendship) 1a5) alliance (of marriage) 1b) between God and man 1b1) alliance (of friendship) 1b2) covenant (divine ordinance with signs or pledges) 2) (phrases) 2a) covenant making 2b) covenant keeping 2c) covenant violation

with them
לָהֶ֛ם (lā·hem)
Preposition | third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew :

and show them no
וְלֹ֥א (wə·lō)
Conjunctive waw | Adverb - Negative particle
Strong's Hebrew 3808: 1) not, no 1a) not (with verb-absolute prohibition) 1b) not (with modifier-negation) 1c) nothing (subst) 1d) without (with particle) 1e) before (of time)

mercy.
תְחָנֵּֽם׃ (ṯə·ḥān·nêm)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - second person masculine singular | third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 2603: 1) to be gracious, show favour, pity 1a) (Qal) to show favour, be gracious 1b) (Niphal) to be pitied 1c) (Piel) to make gracious, make favourable, be gracious 1d) (Poel) to direct favour to, have mercy on 1e) (Hophal) to be shown favour, be shown consideration 1f) (Hithpael) to seek favour, implore favour 2) to be loathsome
 

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Deuteronomy 7:1When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them.
Nations plurel They were not Jews, they were not of the Jewish race.
Noah had 3 sons Remember Noah was perfict in his linage Hw was of perfect pedigree. Genesis 6:9. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Genesis 11:10.
Genealogy from Shem to Abram
10These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood: 11And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
12And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah: 13And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
14And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber: 15And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
16And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg: 17And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.
18And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu: 19And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
20And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug: 21And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.
22And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor: 23And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
24And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah: 25And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.
26And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
Terah's Descendants
27Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot
Abraham was a direct descendant of Noah who was a direct descendant of Adam.
There is only one race of people. There are and have been no other races of people. Red and yellow, black and white are all descended from the single man, Adam and the single woman, Eve; via Noah & his wife. That's the unmitigated record of the Bible.

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Acts 17:26 (KJV)

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12 (KJV)

And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Gen 3:20 (KJV)

These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. Gen 9:19 (KJV)

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Cor 15:22 (KJV)

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:18 (KJV)
There is only one race of people. There are and have been no other races of people. Red and yellow, black and white are all descended from the single man, Adam and the single woman, Eve; via Noah & his wife. That's the unmitigated record of the Bible.

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Acts 17:26 (KJV)

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12 (KJV)

And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Gen 3:20 (KJV)

These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. Gen 9:19 (KJV)

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Cor 15:22 (KJV)

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:18 (KJV)
JohnRH Can we agree that God's word is true and that God takes His genealogy's seriously and keeps them straight.
 

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There is only one race of people. There are and have been no other races of people. Red and yellow, black and white are all descended from the single man, Adam and the single woman, Eve; via Noah & his wife. That's the unmitigated record of the Bible.

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Acts 17:26 (KJV)

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12 (KJV)

And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Gen 3:20 (KJV)

These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. Gen 9:19 (KJV)

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Cor 15:22 (KJV)

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:18 (KJV)
You are right that through the one man Adam sin entered the worls. Adam was the only man that He created, formed from the dust of the earth and gave the breath of life too.
Creation of Adam after day 7. The day God rested from everything He had created
Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
AND THERE WAS NO MAN TO TILL THE GROUND.
The 6th day creation
Genesis 1:26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Why is Eve the mother of all living? Who does God consider "The living" Those that have been born again, have receaved His Spirit the others are walking dead. They do not have to stay that way. You can follow the line of Adam and Eves genealogy from Seth to Mary the mother of Jesus, the giver of true and everlasting life.
 

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So Seth was his next child, so where did Cain get his wife?
Someone may have already answered this question. But, according to the Book of Jubilees, Cain married his sister, Awan (Jubil 4:9).

I highly recommend that all people read the Book of Jubilees.
 

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@kenallen

I encourage you to not be discouraged by this emotional flogging that you are receiving, here.

Keep studying. Keep moving forward. Keep onward with your kind attitude. I like how you've been given 28 "red X's" but have not given one in return.

I used to believe that God created other humans as well, but after much studying and reading other ancient literature, I came to conclude that all people really did come from Adam and Eve . . . and subsequently, Noah and his family.

I believe in you.
 
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Over many years I looked into many options and had my worldview drastically altered. I was open to almost any and all possibilities.
Two beliefs remained unchanged...the world is not flat and Adam and Ever were the first people.
My faith in Christ never entered into this. He put this in my heart where it always has, and always will, remain.
 

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@kenallen

I encourage you to not be discouraged by this emotional flogging that you are receiving, here.

Keep studying. Keep moving forward. Keep onward with your kind attitude. I like how you've been given 28 "red X's" but have not given one in return.

I used to believe that God created other humans as well, but after much studying and reading other ancient literature, I came to conclude that all people really did come from Adam and Eve . . . and subsequently, Noah and his family.

I believe in you.
Thank you for the kind words. You say that you used to beleave that Adam and Eve were not the fiest people on earth but you have changed your mind, Can you answer the question that I have been asking and that is how could Adam and Eve have had childeren that are black,white, red, what ever race you want to pur out there. I don't really like to bring race into this because of how upset people can get over it.

Genises 6:9
New International Version
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.

New Living Translation
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and he walked in close fellowship with God.

English Standard Version
These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.

Berean Study Bible
This is the account of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God.

King James Bible
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

New King James Version
This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

New American Standard Bible
These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.
 

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Over many years I looked into many options and had my worldview drastically altered. I was open to almost any and all possibilities.
Two beliefs remained unchanged...the world is not flat and Adam and Ever were the first people.
My faith in Christ never entered into this. He put this in my heart where it always has, and always will, remain.
If that is what you believe that is between you and God. I put out what I have been and am being tought and I beleave to be the truth. All I ask is can you prove it from the bible.
 

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Thank you for the kind words. You say that you used to beleave that Adam and Eve were not the fiest people on earth but you have changed your mind, Can you answer the question that I have been asking and that is how could Adam and Eve have had childeren that are black,white, red, what ever race you want to pur out there. I don't really like to bring race into this because of how upset people can get over it.

Genises 6:9
New International Version
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.

New Living Translation
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and he walked in close fellowship with God.

English Standard Version
These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.

Berean Study Bible
This is the account of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God.

King James Bible
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

New King James Version
This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

New American Standard Bible
These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.
You are welcome, my friend.

Races, and where did they come from? My best answer to this is that the Jews could not keep themselves from mating with those of the Seven Nations and their sub-nations. Those of these Nations were abominations . . . they were not of God and we first see them in Genesis chapter 6. These beings began mating with earth women and created offspring that were not like us. Part of their differences were likely color, as well as the obvious . . . many of them were giants.

On this note, I recommend that you read the Bible in a timeline, chronological order and track the number of times that Israel kept mating with these groups, hence, "adultery" and "prostitution." These were the terms that the Lord used to relay the idea that Israel was not keeping to themselves. All of the purgings of "people" in the Old Testament were likely related to the fact that these offspring were the result of said adultery and prostitution.

It is possible that as Israel mated with these Nations, skin color, physical differences, etc, came from these splits when Ham rebelled against his father, Noah. Ham is the father of the Canaanites and likely hit it off with the descendants of Anak. As you may recall, Ham was accursed by Noah, and sure enough, the Canaanites were the result.

The Seven Nations are:

Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites (from Ai), Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites
 
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If that is what you believe that is between you and God. I put out what I have been and am being tought and I beleave to be the truth. All I ask is can you prove it from the bible.
I have no need or desire to prove non-salvation issues to anyone. I did my research, otherwise I wouldn't be so sure. I have no desire to put down or challenge what you believe, only to put forth what I currently believe without being insulted.
According to the book of Enoch, Noah's 3 sons were black, red, and white. I expect no one to accept this as truth.
You may disagree with me, but I'll defend your right to disagree with me. Yeshua said that I should treat others how I want to be treated. I try to do this. Shalom.