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these works disqualify from inheritance

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that is Paul the apostle who speaks of grace warning the same people about evil works disqualifying them from inheritance here it is again as Paul said there he repetitively told them this whether Galatians or Ephesians

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Whether Corinthians

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the works we do good or evil is what’s going to be what we receive there is no free grace pass where we reject Christs words.

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We don’t want that to be the case but it is though when we accept it it brings our faith to repentance and life to the Roman church

what we do and what we don’t do matters because that’s what will determine this ask yourself if what they did good and evil was important to thier salvation

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can refuse to accept this truth but it’s in the new testsment and old

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment,

with every secret thing,

whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:13-14‬ ‭

to live as if what we actually do
In life isNt a matter of salvstion is the reason we never change it is God has offered us something amazing but we change it into things it’s not when we don’t accept what he actually offers

The gospel is a chance for this

“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because this is the case

“Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:

but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:12

we have to stop our sinful works and start following the things Jesus set before us we don’t have to be perfect but we do have to turn from doing evil and start doing good it’s a salvstion matter for sure but we’re all given free Will if we choose to reject it
AGREE - and notice how our "works" actually disqualify everyone from obtaining eternal life

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath,
to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
Exodus 31:12-17

Human effort/works must cease on the Day of His Finished WORK.

What i want to know is this = "Are you a Piece of WORK"
OR

"i can work this out"

So the "works" that we now do, if done in HIM according to His Will = will remain.
For all "work" will be tested by fire.
 

Wansvic

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#42
You are incorrect.

Just some poor Bible interpretation going on there.

Christ completed all work for our salvation on the cross when He shed His blood for us. We receive salvation when we put our faith in Him. All the twisting and manipulations of scripture do not change that fact one tiny bit. I believe what scripture states and it most certainly does not state we need a bath to be washed clean of our sins.

ONLY the shed blood of Christ washes away all sin. Should we be baptized? Well yes of course. But we have already had our sins forgiven and forgotten by the Father when that occurs.
The bible actually says otherwise:

Acts 2:38-41 (Initial message)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 
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#43
The bible actually says otherwise:

Acts 2:38-41 (Initial message)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Sorry. Play that for people who are not familiar with their Bible.

I would be careful to make as light of the blood of Christ as whatever organization you belong to; or worse, private interpretation.

I've looked around. Seems your favorite topic is water immersion. Very strange how someone gets so caught up in that, they fail to acknowledge Jesus death and our subsequent salvation because of that death and the blood He shed on our behalf. You can post half the Bible if you like but it still will not give credence to your fascination with water and obvious twisting of scripture.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

You miscomprehend what the Bible states about water. Sorry, but for me, this conversation is over. Thank you.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#44
AGREE - and notice how our "works" actually disqualify everyone from obtaining eternal life

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath,
to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
Exodus 31:12-17

Human effort/works must cease on the Day of His Finished WORK.

What i want to know is this = "Are you a Piece of WORK"
OR

"i can work this out"

So the "works" that we now do, if done in HIM according to His Will = will remain.
For all "work" will be tested by fire.
“AGREE - and notice how our "works" actually disqualify everyone from obtaining eternal life”

yes the works of the flesh ( sin ) disqualifies from inheritance working from our sinful heart of lust , pride , greed , unforgiveness our hearts are corrupt to some extent hearing and believing the gospel is the purifier of our heart

what I mean is there’s a root to why we commit sin

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s been the problem since this command was broken and men began to know both good and evil in thier mind and heart it was not Gods Will for man to be conflicted between good and evil so he commanded us to live

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Now man is changed now we have the law within us of good and evil resulting in sin and death but it’s within our heart and mind this conflict now of good and evil what do we desire ? What really has our heart ? What is most in our mind and heart where no one knows but we ? Within us all there’s some amount of this conflict and corrupted heart

“Now if I do that I would not, ( I don’t want to sin but I still do ) it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.( I’m sinning against my own Will to be good son to res something wrong with me sin has corrupted me )

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:20-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We werent created to have this law of sin within us , God made us in his image and likeness , blessed us in everything gave us freedom and dominion and life and fellowship with him

then God warned us out the knowledge of good and evil and death. He stated his will and truth about this “forbidden fruit “ of knowledge not intended for mans mind and heart.

now instead of being blessed and having dominion and freedom of Will mans existence is a constant struggle between good and evil and all hope was lost with mans pure and true knowledge what is meant to fill mans mind and heart is the gospel it’s the knowledge of eternal
Life

whereas the forbidden fruit brought forbidden knowledge and led man astray into sin and death . The Gospel is the knowledge or righteousness and life through Christ the catch is though we have to hear and accept the things Jesus taught

by hearing and learning from Jesus in the everlasting gospel oir corrupted hearts are being being redeemed through through the right knowledge that is meant for Mankind’s mind and heart and leads to life everlasting .

just as breaking the original command led to death herring first and accepting and believing in trusting in the gospel and the knowledge Christ emits to all who hear him leads to everlasting life but again we do have to really hear what God said in Christ and believe that stuff and get away from modern interpretations

Jesus came to reveal the knowledge of God to mankind the knowledge of salvation to redeem us from the knowledge of good and evil sin and death

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,

that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we are renewed in knowledge as we hear first and believe the teachings and sayings of Christ and things of his eternal kingdom.

As the church matures we start to hear thkngs like this better and clearer without taking offense

“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:9-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And we eventually don’t respond to things like that as some others do “ works have both g to do with anything “ instead we let the new knowledge we learn from Jesus change what we think and believe and what we do changes because it’s coming from the heart just as evil comes from within so does good

“A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things:

and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we dwell on lustful things ,material things , we dwell On grudges we keep against others , pride and greed ect and those become our path our ways that we walk in eventually because it’s what we’re pursuing and wanting and seeking in the heart and mind

to let the gospel in to correct and restore us to the knowledge of mans creator and what we are meant to k or before the corruption is what it’s all about

“ Come unto me all who are weary and burdened here me and learn from me for I’m humble and gentle take my yoke onto yourself and learn From me and follow “

is really what the gospel is about we’re learning the truth for mankind from our creator redeeming what was led astray and corrupted in Eden
 
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#45
“AGREE - and notice how our "works" actually disqualify everyone from obtaining eternal life”

yes the works of the flesh ( sin ) disqualifies from inheritance working from our sinful heart of lust , pride , greed , unforgiveness our hearts are corrupt to some extent hearing and believing the gospel is the purifier of our heart

what I mean is there’s a root to why we commit sin

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s been the problem since this command was broken and men began to know both good and evil in thier mind and heart it was not Gods Will for man to be conflicted between good and evil so he commanded us to live

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Now man is changed now we have the law within us of good and evil resulting in sin and death but it’s within our heart and mind this conflict now of good and evil what do we desire ? What really has our heart ? What is most in our mind and heart where no one knows but we ? Within us all there’s some amount of this conflict and corrupted heart

“Now if I do that I would not, ( I don’t want to sin but I still do ) it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.( I’m sinning against my own Will to be good son to res something wrong with me sin has corrupted me )

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:20-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We werent created to have this law of sin within us , God made us in his image and likeness , blessed us in everything gave us freedom and dominion and life and fellowship with him

then God warned us out the knowledge of good and evil and death. He stated his will and truth about this “forbidden fruit “ of knowledge not intended for mans mind and heart.

now instead of being blessed and having dominion and freedom of Will mans existence is a constant struggle between good and evil and all hope was lost with mans pure and true knowledge what is meant to fill mans mind and heart is the gospel it’s the knowledge of eternal
Life

whereas the forbidden fruit brought forbidden knowledge and led man astray into sin and death . The Gospel is the knowledge or righteousness and life through Christ the catch is though we have to hear and accept the things Jesus taught

by hearing and learning from Jesus in the everlasting gospel oir corrupted hearts are being being redeemed through through the right knowledge that is meant for Mankind’s mind and heart and leads to life everlasting .

just as breaking the original command led to death herring first and accepting and believing in trusting in the gospel and the knowledge Christ emits to all who hear him leads to everlasting life but again we do have to really hear what God said in Christ and believe that stuff and get away from modern interpretations

Jesus came to reveal the knowledge of God to mankind the knowledge of salvation to redeem us from the knowledge of good and evil sin and death

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,

that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we are renewed in knowledge as we hear first and believe the teachings and sayings of Christ and things of his eternal kingdom.

As the church matures we start to hear thkngs like this better and clearer without taking offense

“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:9-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And we eventually don’t respond to things like that as some others do “ works have both g to do with anything “ instead we let the new knowledge we learn from Jesus change what we think and believe and what we do changes because it’s coming from the heart just as evil comes from within so does good

“A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things:

and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we dwell on lustful things ,material things , we dwell On grudges we keep against others , pride and greed ect and those become our path our ways that we walk in eventually because it’s what we’re pursuing and wanting and seeking in the heart and mind

to let the gospel in to correct and restore us to the knowledge of mans creator and what we are meant to k or before the corruption is what it’s all about

“ Come unto me all who are weary and burdened here me and learn from me for I’m humble and gentle take my yoke onto yourself and learn From me and follow “

is really what the gospel is about we’re learning the truth for mankind from our creator redeeming what was led astray and corrupted in Eden
Agree and well put together.

1 John really spells it out in very simple terms - even a child can understand - Thank You Lord Jesus

So if someone says: "you're a Piece of WORK" = say AMEN and share with them the Finished Work of God
 

Pilgrimshope

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#46
AGREE - and notice how our "works" actually disqualify everyone from obtaining eternal life

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath,
to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
Exodus 31:12-17

Human effort/works must cease on the Day of His Finished WORK.

What i want to know is this = "Are you a Piece of WORK"
OR

"i can work this out"

So the "works" that we now do, if done in HIM according to His Will = will remain.
For all "work" will be tested by fire.
consider this brother just think it through what’s Jesus getting across To us ?

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for

I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. …And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32, 34-36, 40-43, 45-

The difference is what the two groups did the second group calls Jesus lord lord also

“Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the first group lived this way as if thier deeds told the truth of tbier belief

“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:16-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

in the end brother the deeds we do towards other people good or evil will judge us unless we repent
 
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consider this brother just think it through what’s Jesus getting across To us ?

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for

I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. …And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32, 34-36, 40-43, 45-

The difference is what the two groups did the second group calls Jesus lord lord also the first group lived this way as if thier deeds told the truth of tbier belief

“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:16-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

in the end brother the deeds we do towards other people good or evil will judge us unless we repent
YES, we are to look after each other just as the LORD looks after us - AMEN
 

Pilgrimshope

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#48
Agree and well put together.

1 John really spells it out in very simple terms - even a child can understand - Thank You Lord Jesus

So if someone says: "you're a Piece of WORK" = say AMEN and share with them the Finished Work of God
amen brother if I ever get to the finished product I sure will but I’m thinking that’s gonna be on the other side
 
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#49
amen brother if I ever get to the finished product I sure will but I’m thinking that’s gonna be on the other side
1 John 3:1-3

Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
 

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YES, we are to look after each other just as the LORD looks after us - AMEN
“Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:14‬ ‭

it’s just a matter of leaving the works of Moses leviticle law behind and embracing the gospel and teachings of God

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

his word changes our mind as we let it in and believe

“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:


that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“ye have put off the old man with his deeds; and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:9-10, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See how consistent and repetitive pauls writings are ? I love Paul’s writings but they have to be taken on big chunks to inderrrsnd them I’ve noticed

we have to stop working from ourself and for ourself and let the gospel change our heart and mind and start following those new works we’re meant to walk-in. It’s a matter of what works d where they are sourced

the works of faith is what we are meant to walk in not the works of Moses law but the faith of the gospel


“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8, 10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We’ve been re created in Christ through a renewed knowledge
 

Pilgrimshope

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1 John 3:1-3

Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
haha yeah I’m not perfect and don’t plan on being perfect brother I walk after a high goal but never forget about his mercy when I fail I just don’t hide anything from him anymore I got real with him and found out the purification that Happens when we do that

“but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin

. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭

I’ve learned that’s always true as well as the rest for times we show our imperfection even when we can’t ourself see it
 

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Salvation is not possible without remission of one's personal sin. (Mark 1:1-5, Luke 3:3, Acts 2:38 and 22:16)
Remission of one’s sins occurs when you repent and put your faith in Jesus Christ.
 

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1 John 3:1-3

Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

1 John 3:1~ Behold what manner of Love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God.
And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him.

:)
 

Wansvic

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Sorry. Play that for people who are not familiar with their Bible.

I would be careful to make as light of the blood of Christ as whatever organization you belong to; or worse, private interpretation.

I've looked around. Seems your favorite topic is water immersion. Very strange how someone gets so caught up in that, they fail to acknowledge Jesus death and our subsequent salvation because of that death and the blood He shed on our behalf. You can post half the Bible if you like but it still will not give credence to your fascination with water and obvious twisting of scripture.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

You miscomprehend what the Bible states about water. Sorry, but for me, this conversation is over. Thank you.
Interesting that you did not address the actual scriptures referenced. Are you not aware that they are in the bible? Or, do you do not accept what they say? The scriptures provide evidence that a person's sin is remitted when they submit to water baptism in Jesus' name in association with Jesus' sacrifice. Paul explained this in Romans 6:3-6.

And, you may not be aware of it but I've said many times that Jesus' sacrifice is what makes the NT rebirth possible. Jesus Himself said that unless a man is born of water and of Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God. (John 3:3-5) Water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is part of the rebirth experience along with receiving the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. (water and Spirit)
 

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Remission of one’s sins occurs when you repent and put your faith in Jesus Christ.
So am I to understand that the following scriptures do not mean what they say?

"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins." Mark 1:1-5

"Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;" Luke 3:2-3

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16
 
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Interesting that you did not address the actual scriptures referenced. Are you not aware that they are in the bible? Or, do you do not accept what they say? The scriptures provide evidence that a person's sin is remitted when they submit to water baptism in Jesus' name in association with Jesus' sacrifice. Paul explained this in Romans 6:3-6.

And, you may not be aware of it but I've said many times that Jesus' sacrifice is what makes the NT rebirth possible. Jesus Himself said that unless a man is born of water and of Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God. (John 3:3-5) Water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is part of the rebirth experience along with receiving the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. (water and Spirit)
I'm aware that you are spouting hokey. Water does not wash away sin.

The blood of Christ washes away sin. Anything apart from that I would understand to be heresy.
 

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So am I to understand that the following scriptures do not mean what they say?

"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins." Mark 1:1-5

"Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;" Luke 3:2-3

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16
Baptism of the heart, my friend. Water baptism is an outward sign of an inward reality.

Please don’t think I’m against water baptism in anyway; that’s beyond heresy. I’m saying we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
 

Wansvic

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I'm aware that you are spouting hokey. Water does not wash away sin.

The blood of Christ washes away sin. Anything apart from that I would understand to be heresy.
What you claim to be hokey is the actual word of God. And, according to Jesus the word will be used to judge everyone. (John 12:48) Refusing to accept something does not make it any less true.

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38-41

"And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:14-16
 

Wansvic

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Baptism of the heart, my friend. Water baptism is an outward sign of an inward reality.

Please don’t think I’m against water baptism in anyway; that’s beyond heresy. I’m saying we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Have you ever considered the words of Ananias to the Apostle Paul? "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:14-16

Submitting to baptism without believing it fulfills what God says it does is to reject His very word. Those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16)
 

Snacks

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Have you ever considered the words of Ananias to the Apostle Paul? "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:14-16

Submitting to baptism without believing it fulfills what God says it does is to reject His very word. Those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16)
I consider the words of Jesus Christ who states quite emphatically that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.