Adam was not deceived but chose to eat of the forbidden tree. Why?

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Mem said:
...Is it here? :confused:
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Not sure fully what you are meaning, but if you mean are God's words still in effect in the here and now of today, then yes, pretty sure childbirth is painful for the women as sure as I am that the next part about man having to strive against the entirety of the literal earth is definitely true in the here and now.
 
birdie said:
Adam as a type of Christ. The deep sleep Adam experiences in Genesis during which Eve is created is a picture of Jesus experiencing judgment and death on the cross which caused believers to be created. 'Sleep' is a parable word for death in the Bible and 'deep 'is a parable word for judgment. Eve is a picture of all believers, Christ's bride. While Adam is a picture of Christ. Based on a few scriptures, I find it more likely that the Genesis story is showing how sin entered the world through the woman and not through Adam.
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Thanks, birdie, for your thoughts on the subject. I think this excerpt is especially in that I might have heard it before but this is the first I recall actually 'noticing' it. And although your assertion might seem to be a novel thought, not held by anyone that I know of up to this point, I don't think it is entirely impossible given that 'Adam' was often used in referring to mankind in general.
 
ChristianTonyB said:
Genesis 3:
16 To the woman He said,
“I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you.”

God said the above!

We also have to consider the implication of husband and wife being one flesh, as per Jesus' comment.

A certain part of the one flesh has a different function to the other parts, but they all need to work together for the good of the whole.

There are parts of the body that can be regarded as weak spots, and vulnerable to attack by an enemy. Paul was just reminding the men and women in the church of this fact. He was in effect asking men to exercise their responsibilities as head of the family and spiritual leaders of the church of God. In order for the men to be able to exercise these responsibilies, Paul was more or less asking the women not to offer opinions on scriptural matters and matters of leadership in the church unless it's with members of their own gender, but discuss them by all means in private with their husbands. This doesn't infer that women are inferior to men, but each gender has God given roles and responsibilities that must be met, and never deferred or usurped.

Now, I'm talking about members of the church of God here. For any other church, yes, go ahead and make your own arrangements if you will, but be warned that Jesus will not be in your midst.
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Ok, I figured this was where it came from, thank you. This is why I highlighted A-Sword's transcription? of that passage.

A-Sword-Cometh said:
Not sure fully what you are meaning, but if you mean are God's words still in effect in the here and now of today, then yes, pretty sure childbirth is painful for the women as sure as I am that the next part about man having to strive against the entirety of the literal earth is definitely true in the here and now.
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God's word is still in effect, yes always. His word never passes away according to scripture. However, you've represented his word as "God tells Eve to...." rather than the "God tells Eve that..." which is more perfect representation of what God tells of and also to Eve.
It complicates the effort in trying to keep the reading of scripture honest, but all too easy to alter the understanding entirely by adding just a little two letter word such as 'to' in a place it doesn't belong. i.e. "God tells Eve to obey her husband" and in this case, there is more than just a two letter word that doesn't fit in the exact transliteration of this particular passage, even though other words might. For example, God didn't tell Eve what you've claimed but told her that her husband would rule over her, or with the context of the statement, that btw was not a command, added...."Your desire will be for your husband and he will lord it over you."
 
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JohnDB said:
Leadership isn't ruling...
And that role of leadership is supposed to be given by the wife to the husband.
Meaning if you can not give a leadership role to a man...do not date, do not get married.

The husband loves his wife...so he doesn't treat her like some sort of glorified drone...he loves her as if she was an extension of himself.
One of the lessons of Genesis and repeated often through the scriptures is to be very very careful about who you marry. Ensure that he can practice servant leadership in a direction and towards goals that you are indeed in agreement with...and going to remain in agreement with.
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Should women get married because they are in want of a leader? :confused:
 
Mem said:
Should women get married because they are in want of a leader? :confused:
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Hey, that desire for a husband and children is hardwired into women...and desiring noble leadership is not a bad thing at all.

But there's a repeated lesson in scriptures about choosing the right husband...and the fleeting fancies of today are going to change as you mature. Some might not.
(Like a desire to chase after pleasing God)

So wanting a good husband to love, Children to love and nurture by that good husband is not a bad thing...not at all.

My wife had her desires of ministry before we got married, I not only support her in them I do all I can to add to their effectiveness...and she does the same thing with mine. She gave herself to me, I added some of myself and gave it back. I did the same inversely....together, we are more than the simple sum of our parts. It's an awesome marriage I thank God for regularly.
Who wouldn't want that?
 
birdie said:
Most all indoctrinated believers have been taught early on by general concensus that Adam was the bad guy who doomed mankind to death
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That's exactly what Scripture says.

birdie said:
the Genesis story is showing how sin entered the world through the woman and not through Adam
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You contradicts what Scripture explicitly states.
 
JohnDB said:
Hey, that desire for a husband and children is hardwired into women...and desiring noble leadership is not a bad thing at all.

But there's a repeated lesson in scriptures about choosing the right husband...and the fleeting fancies of today are going to change as you mature. Some might not.
(Like a desire to chase after pleasing God)

So wanting a good husband to love, Children to love and nurture by that good husband is not a bad thing...not at all.

My wife had her desires of ministry before we got married, I not only support her in them I do all I can to add to their effectiveness...and she does the same thing with mine. She gave herself to me, I added some of myself and gave it back. I did the same inversely....together, we are more than the simple sum of our parts. It's an awesome marriage I thank God for regularly.
Who wouldn't want that?
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So then, would you say that she completes you as much as you complete her?
 
ChristianTonyB said:
I'd agree with that. Indeed, they shouldn't stay put in any abusive environment if they can escape, IMO.

I didn't encounter any abusive situations in the man-derived hybrid churches I wandered through after becoming a Christian, but there could have been hidden abuses. I did find a lot of ignorance and poor leadership.
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abusive men are poor leaders
 
Poor meaning they dont know how to lead
there are rich leaders too, but they also can be on road to destruction if sold out to mammon and abusive in that they squander their riches.
 
with adam he took eve for granted
he didnt pick his own fruit
Eve owned up to it by saying she was deceived by the serpent but Adam was like she gave it to me. Then blamed God for giving him a woman.

He didnt take responsibility for his sin/grave mistake
Eve did cos she was the one who picked it

It doesnt make it any better as they were both idiots, but I'd say Adam was the one with less brains. And I suppose showing poor leadership or no leadership at all. Eves punishment was to follow Adam. lol
 
Adam was God's first Creation --Adam was in Charge ---Adam was a type of Christ ---so Adam knew he was to do God's Will not his own will ---God Created Eve from a bone of Adam ---so Eve was created from Adam to be Adam"s equal partner --Helper and supporter in looking after the Garden --Adam was the Captain of the Ship --he was the one God made from the dust of the ground ------Eve came from a bone of Adam -- --we see that God gave Adam the instructions that he could eat of the trees except the ONE TREE -----Scripture does say that Eve knew of God's instructions either through Adam or God ??==as it says this ----

Genesis 3
The Fall
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
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The Serpent ---Posed a question to Eve -----and planted a seed of doubt in her mind ----verse 4 ---then the serpent poses another whammy to her in verse 5 -----by making her think she will be like God knowing good and evil and to her that was appealing ----so she was deceived -----by thinking she could be like God by and through eating the fruit -----

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Hebrew word for deceived -----
Strong’s Definitions
נָשָׁא nâshâʼ, naw-shaw'; a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:—beguile, deceive, × greatly, × utterly.
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Adam who was made the Captain of the Garden should have known better than to disobey God's Will for him and his wife Eve ------he took freely the fruit from Eve ------there was no deceit here --He chose freely to disobey God's command ---he actually committed treason against God ------

Strong;s Concordance
noun: treason
the action of betraying someone or something.
"doubt is the ultimate treason against faith"

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So we see here that what really happened as a result of their Disobedience -----Sin was born ----doing God's Will was taken away -----Satan takes the keys from Adam to be in charge of this earth -----Consequences for our actions were put in place -----humans became mortal ---death to the human body was born ----hell which created for Satan and his tribe expanded itself to include human souls who remain disobedient to the Will of God -----

Sad day in paradise --I say ------ :(
 
Lanolin said:
with adam he took eve for granted
he didnt pick his own fruit
Eve owned up to it by saying she was deceived by the serpent but Adam was like she gave it to me. Then blamed God for giving him a woman.

He didnt take responsibility for his sin/grave mistake
Eve did cos she was the one who picked it

It doesnt make it any better as they were both idiots, but I'd say Adam was the one with less brains. And I suppose showing poor leadership or no leadership at all. Eves punishment was to follow Adam. lol
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Cute, very cute 😏
 
studentoftheword said:
Adam who was made the Captain of the Garden should have known better than to disobey God's Will for him and his wife Eve ------he took freely the fruit from Eve ------there was no deceit here --He chose freely to disobey God's command ---he actually committed treason against God ------
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I look at the contrast between her answered that, 'the serpent deceived me,' and his answer that, "the woman gave it to me," and
but he didn't answer, "he woman You gave me was deceived, and gave me it," and I wonder if Adam had known that Eve was deceived, or if this has any relevant correlation to the reason that he was not deceived.
 
Magenta said:
That's exactly what Scripture says.

You contradicts what Scripture explicitly states.
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Thanks Magenta for your response. Can you show me the scripture you are talking about here? Post the exact scripture for example.
 
Lanolin said:
Adam was like she gave it to me. Then blamed God for giving him a woman.
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i don't think this interpretation can be correct.
God accepts his confession -- God doesn't curse Adam.
God sheds innocent blood to cover Adam with garments made by His own hand

if i went to God this morning and said, hey God, it's your fault i sin: you did this to me
you are the author of sin, God, so i am totally not responsible
you are the one who needs my forgiveness, i cannot be blamed

would God accept that?
 
Lanolin said:
It doesnt make it any better as they were both idiots, but I'd say Adam was the one with less brains.
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whose idea was it to stay away from the tree of life after they both had death in them?

when God kept the way to the tree of life, and cast them out of the garden to prevent them from eating of it -- is God doing this because it is a good thing to prevent them? i.e. is God being good?
or is God punishing them, withholding the 'medicine' that would save them? i.e. is God being vindictive?

IMO God did this to save them; eating from the tree of life in their death-state would mean eternal condemnation for them.
so God keeps the way to the tree of life, until the Son should come, and through His blood make a way for us to approach it, that we may have eternal life in Him instead of eternal death.
God is good -- everything He does is good.
it is good that God prevented them from 'eventually' going to the tree of life; it would be bad for them if they had - in the same way taking communion in an unworthy manner is damning ((1 Corinthians 11:27)).

i say 'eventually' because: how long did it take them to make fig-leaf garments? probably at least an hour, right? maybe quite a bit longer? possibly several hours? and how long would it take them to go eat from the tree of life? 5 minutes?
so whose idea was it to go occupy themselves with fig leaves instead of take the 'antidote' if the tree of life is an antidote for the poison they had taken?
seems to me someone was wise enough to know that eating from the tree of life would have been an incredibly bad idea. that they had a plan. i mean how much of an idiot do you have to be if you've got death in you and you've got a tree called 'life' but it doesn't occur to you to go get some life? no-brainer? unless you were smart enough to know that was actually the last thing you should do in that situation.
 
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