Wow. I haven't been able to get to the Book of Enoch quite yet, but I believe it.
Adam and Eve first people on earth?
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Wow. I haven't been able to get to the Book of Enoch quite yet, but I believe it.
God created Adam before day 7, not after. The detail of the creation of Adam is provided in chapter 2, which is after chapter 1, but there is no indication that it is a separate, subsequent event. Remember, the chapter divisions are not actually part of Scripture; they were added in about the 1400's.
Eve is the mother (female progenitor) of all humans. It's that simple.
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I just looked quickly. The book of Enoch ch. 85 begins with Enoch relating a dream he had. Read through ch. 89 and it should become clear what the dream is about. I started with the R.H. Charles translation though there may be some newer ones. An updated one using the Dead Seas Scrolls may be good. I recall a few older translations that were suspect. 1 Enoch 1:9 (RHCharles) is very close to Jude 14, 15.
I looked at chapters 85 and 86 really quick . . . how are you sure that these colors are referencing the children of Noah?
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joecoten
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joecoten
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Thank you. I just read chapter 89 and it's pretty difficult for me to determine that these colors are referencing the children of Noah. That said, I'm not able to fully concentrate. I do love outside Biblical sources, though. I find them to be incredibly interesting.
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joecoten
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I'm pretty sure it says it somewhere. I got a brain injury 22 years ago so I don't think too clearly either. I've read a few...Enoch's the only one that I was really interested in. 33 years ago I had a wild vision, perhaps out of body experience is a more accurate description, of Jude 14, 15/ 1 Enoch 1:9. Jubilees is good. There's a lot of bad stuff too. I basically stick to the bible and Enoch. But that's just me.
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15: 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
If Adam was first, then Eve is second, according to the scriptures.
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joecoten
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Lets take a look at the word mam and Adam, from the Strong's Concordance.
Word Summary
adom: to be red
Original Word: אָדָם
Transliteration: adom
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-dam')
Part of Speech: Verb
Short Definition: to be red
Meaning: flush, turn rosy
Strong's Concordance #119
be dyed, made red ruddy
To show blood (in the face), i.e. Flush or turn rosy -- be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).
Word Summary
adam: man, mankind
Original Word: אָדָם
Transliteration: adam
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-dawm')
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Short Definition: man, mankind
Meaning: ruddy, a human being
Strong's Concordance #120
another, hypocrite, common sort, low, man mean, of low degree, person
From 'adam; ruddy i.e. A human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.) -- X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
I never expected this to turn into this big uproar; I was just trying to point out that God made Adam and Eve for a very specific purpose. They were to be the “parents” of the Jewish race. Eve was to become the mother of all living. Not all people that are alive there is a difference when we are looking at the bible. The living are those that have excepted Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. The Jewish people had one main purpose; That was to have a pure line from Eve to Noah to Abraham to David to Mary the mother of Jesus. Yes there were other reasons but this was the main reason.
Paul refers to the Kings and Queens of the Ethnos. What does that word mean:
Strong's Concordance Greek #1484
ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)
Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Definition: a race, a nation, the nations (as distinct from Israel)
Usage: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.
Word Summary
adom: to be red
Original Word: אָדָם
Transliteration: adom
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-dam')
Part of Speech: Verb
Short Definition: to be red
Meaning: flush, turn rosy
Strong's Concordance #119
be dyed, made red ruddy
To show blood (in the face), i.e. Flush or turn rosy -- be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).
Word Summary
adam: man, mankind
Original Word: אָדָם
Transliteration: adam
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-dawm')
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Short Definition: man, mankind
Meaning: ruddy, a human being
Strong's Concordance #120
another, hypocrite, common sort, low, man mean, of low degree, person
From 'adam; ruddy i.e. A human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.) -- X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
I never expected this to turn into this big uproar; I was just trying to point out that God made Adam and Eve for a very specific purpose. They were to be the “parents” of the Jewish race. Eve was to become the mother of all living. Not all people that are alive there is a difference when we are looking at the bible. The living are those that have excepted Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. The Jewish people had one main purpose; That was to have a pure line from Eve to Noah to Abraham to David to Mary the mother of Jesus. Yes there were other reasons but this was the main reason.
Paul refers to the Kings and Queens of the Ethnos. What does that word mean:
Strong's Concordance Greek #1484
ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)
Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Definition: a race, a nation, the nations (as distinct from Israel)
Usage: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.
Really!!!!!
My bible says in Genesis 2 1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
My bible says in Genesis 2 1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Let's ruffle some more feathers; even thou it is true it is not taught in most churches because it does not go along with main stream doctrine “The traditions of men that make void the word of God.”
Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. 18And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. 19And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. 20And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. 21And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. 22And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
23And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
If there is one thing that God makes clear throughout the bible old and new testament it is the genealogy of the Jews The line of Judah from which Jesus would come.
Genesis 5.
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: 7And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
9And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan: 10And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters: 11And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel: 13And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters: 14And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
15And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared: 16And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters: 17And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
God Takes Up Enoch
18And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch: 19And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 20And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 22And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
From Methuselah to Noah
25And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech: 26And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: 27And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: 29And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed. 30And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: 31And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
32And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth
We have 2 genealogies here Cains and Adams. Why does Adam not appear as the father of Cain? I know why Able is not in Adams line; he was killed before he had children.
Here is the big question could the answer be that Cain was not Adams son?
Let it fly.
Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. 18And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. 19And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. 20And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. 21And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. 22And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
23And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
If there is one thing that God makes clear throughout the bible old and new testament it is the genealogy of the Jews The line of Judah from which Jesus would come.
Genesis 5.
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: 7And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
9And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan: 10And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters: 11And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel: 13And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters: 14And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
15And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared: 16And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters: 17And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
God Takes Up Enoch
18And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch: 19And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 20And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 22And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
From Methuselah to Noah
25And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech: 26And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: 27And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: 29And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed. 30And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: 31And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
32And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth
We have 2 genealogies here Cains and Adams. Why does Adam not appear as the father of Cain? I know why Able is not in Adams line; he was killed before he had children.
Here is the big question could the answer be that Cain was not Adams son?
Let it fly.
Actually, it isn't taught because it isn't biblical truth. It's a misinterpretation of Scripture.
No; Cain is indeed Adam's son. Don't even bother with the heresy that the serpent was Cain's father. If your pastor is teaching you this c**p, you would do well to leave that church and shake the dust off on your way out.
Then why is he not in Adams line.
John 8:34-44
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
You beleave your traditions of men I will beleave what I have been tought from the Word of God.
John 8:34-44
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
You beleave your traditions of men I will beleave what I have been tought from the Word of God.
This passage has nothing to do with Adam's line. I will warn you again that you are on the edge of promoting a heresy, and it will be reported to the Moderator if you continue.
Your spelling is atrocious, and whoever is teaching you should not be teaching anyone.
I think kenallen is another troll creating division, i kind of see a pattern with another one that was banned a few weeks ago...again this obsession with Adam and Eve, probably the same troll trying to corrupt scriptures and create trouble.
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JF
I’ve noticed that some people seem to be focused on everything but Jesus, and it never ends well.