1st Pentecost (Mt Sinai) & 1st post resurrection Pentecost (Temple Mt) were a betrothal/marriage contract.

[JTB]

I understand & respect your posted view. I'd like to add a different perspective.

I believe these verses speak of One Body/One Bride

Eph 5:25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
(MY NOTE: Christ died for His Church/Body made up of both Jew & Gentile See Eph below)

Eph 2:
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
(MY NOTE: This middle WALL of PARTITION Paul is referring to was a wall of stone balusters. It separated/divided the outer temple Courtyard of the Gentiles (considered ungodly/impure) from the rest of the temple.

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
(MY NOTE: Thru faith in Jesus sin atoning sacrifice Jew & Gentile are made into ONE BODY/ONE BRIDE)

Eph 3:6 - That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
(MY NOTE: Gentile believers are fellow-HEIRS & PARTAKERS in the same/ONE BODY/ONE BRIDE, Also see 1 Cor 12:12-31)

New Jerusalem:

I believe at death all believers Jew & Gentile will go to the place Jesus went to prepare (Jn 14:3). And will upon His return help Him rule.

The Jewish remnant & other believers alive at Jesus 2nd coming. Still in their Adamic/sinful nature, will under Christs peaceful/no war rule, quickly repopulate earth. After 1000 yrs satan will be loosed. Their offspring, like us today, will have a choice to make. Shalom, JJ

Other than Eph 5 I don't see how any of the others apply. But you have to include the passages that follow verse 25, in which Paul states that the purity in which we are born again can be corrupted.

Yes I agree that the body is the aggregate of those who believe in God's Messiah/Christ, whether Jew or gentile, BC or AD.

 

[DavidTree]

I don't believe in pre-trib, so at least I got that going for me .

If Revelation 21 doesn't do it for you, specifically talking about the new earth, New Jerusalem and those who live there, and nations outside the Holy City and those who live there, yes all occurring not just after the second coming and the millennium and after the great white throne judgement and the casting of unbelievers into the lake of fire, I don't know what will my friend. It doesn't get any clearer than John being shown the Bride as specifically being a city of people set apart from the rest of the new earth which is populated entirely by believers.

We are definitely friends and even better Brothers Together under HIS BLOOD.

SIMPLE FIX HERE = For your claim to be Truth it will be available to us in the Gospel and/or the NT writings.

TRUTH Example: 1 Corinthians 12:12-31 = One Body of Christ

For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink [g]into one Spirit. 14For in fact the body is not one member but many.


15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 17If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? 18But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. 19And if they were all one member, where would the body be?


20But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25that there should be no [h]schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.


27Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

PEACE

 

[JTB]

We are definitely friends and even better Brothers Together under HIS BLOOD.

SIMPLE FIX HERE = For your claim to be Truth it will be available to us in the Gospel and/or the NT writings.

TRUTH Example: 1 Corinthians 12:12-31 = One Body of Christ

For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink [g]into one Spirit. 14For in fact the body is not one member but many.


15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 17If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? 18But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. 19And if they were all one member, where would the body be?


20But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25that there should be no [h]schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.


27Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

PEACE

Last I looked, Revelation was in the NT.

And what you posted here is totally irrelevant. You're not getting it but that's ok.

On to the next dead horse...

 

[DavidTree]

Last I looked, Revelation was in the NT.

And what you posted here is totally irrelevant. You're not getting it but that's ok.

On to the next dead horse...

Revelation is written in Code mixed with some Literal application/verification.

The Gospel and Apostles writings are not.

No dead horse excuses - if you cannot find your claim in the Gospel and the Apostles writings then it is Guaranteed not to be in Revelation.

God's Word is Living Truth, whereas errant claims are truly dead.

 

[JTB]

Revelation is written in Code mixed with some Literal application/verification.

The Gospel and Apostles writings are not.

No dead horse excuses - if you cannot find your claim in the Gospel and the Apostles writings then it is Guaranteed not to be in Revelation.

God's Word is Living Truth, whereas errant claims are truly dead.

I see.

You would find the new Bible translation, the MRV, interesting.

 

[DavidTree]

I see.

You would find the new Bible translation, the MRV, interesting.

Started out with the KJV and now i am with the NKJV.

Since you cannot find a single verse of Scripture in the Gospel or the writings of the Apostles, you have, at best, no foundation for your claim and at worse = it's a complete lie.

Now i know of many NT Scriptures that say there is only ONE Body of Christ and that His Body is His Betrothed Bide.

Here are just two passages that bear witness to One Body = One Bride

Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me.
For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy.
For I have betrothed you to One Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
2 Corinthians 11:1-4

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26that He might [g]sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30For we are members of His body, [h]of His flesh and of His bones. 31“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Ephesians 5:22-33

 

[JTB]

Started out with the KJV and now i am with the NKJV.

Since you cannot find a single verse of Scripture in the Gospel or the writings of the Apostles, you have, at best, no foundation for your claim and at worse = it's a complete lie.

Now i know of many NT Scriptures that say there is only ONE Body of Christ and that His Body is His Betrothed Bide.

Here are just two passages that bear witness to One Body = One Bride

Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me.
For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy.
For I have betrothed you to One Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
2 Corinthians 11:1-4

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26that He might [g]sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30For we are members of His body, [h]of His flesh and of His bones. 31“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Ephesians 5:22-33

My friend, as long as you dismiss any scripture as irrelevant (as you did with Revelation and apparently any part that is not one of the gospels) you will not be getting the big picture.

The MRV was made for you!

 

[DavidTree]

My friend, as long as you dismiss any scripture as irrelevant (as you did with Revelation and apparently any part that is not one of the gospels) you will not be getting the big picture.

The MRV was made for you!

Never do I dismiss a single word from the Mouth of GOD.

Revelation is subject to the Truth which preceeded it for THERE IT CAME FROM.

The Revelation of our LORD Jesus Christ will never contradict what was spoken/written beforehand by the Holy Spirit.

And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
#1.) knowing this first,
#2.) that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
#3.) for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

3 Steps to knowing TRUTH
PEACE

PS, I will carefully re-examine Revelation ch22 again - just for you and my own submission unto the LORD which should/must be everyone's willingness.
You need to do likewise with the Scriptures given to you, that is IF you are a true Seeker of TRUTH.

Submitted unto God:
"For presently do I seek approval of men, or God? Or do I seek to please men?
For if I were still pleasing men, I would not be a servant of Christ."
Galatians 1:10