What is meant when people say 'guns don't kill people; people do'?
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I don't know about the other guy, but I was responding to arthurfleminger's post.... I didn't see your post about stoning... I'll go back and try to find it....
Its simple, see where my screenname is in blue and the arrow next to it, you click on that and it back tracks to the last message i replied too....
It works to back track messages to get the context of the conversation.
thank you....
Keeping on with this thread.... IF the legality of owning firearms is the cause of gun violence, then please explain how Mexico, our neighbor to the south, who is so strict on gun ownership.... (a citizen can only own one small caliber firearm (.22 rimfire), and it has to be justified, registered with the army, and kept in the house, not ever carried) had homicides totaling 34,515 in 2020, while the US, for 2020, had homicides totaling 24,576..... I believe this data includes all homicides, not only firearm....
How can this happen, especially with the US having nearly three times the population as Mexico....??
Are they killing each other with rocks? Bats? Knives? Does it matter??
You could say "well, it's all gang/drug cartel violence".... ok, perhaps, but does it make it any less dangerous?
The vast majority of our gun violence is metro-area gang/drug related, as well.
Keeping on with this thread.... IF the legality of owning firearms is the cause of gun violence, then please explain how Mexico, our neighbor to the south, who is so strict on gun ownership.... (a citizen can only own one small caliber firearm (.22 rimfire), and it has to be justified, registered with the army, and kept in the house, not ever carried) had homicides totaling 34,515 in 2020, while the US, for 2020, had homicides totaling 24,576..... I believe this data includes all homicides, not only firearm....
How can this happen, especially with the US having nearly three times the population as Mexico....??
Are they killing each other with rocks? Bats? Knives? Does it matter??
You could say "well, it's all gang/drug cartel violence".... ok, perhaps, but does it make it any less dangerous?
The vast majority of our gun violence is metro-area gang/drug related, as well.
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Did you think about that before you typed it?
Can you picture the typical minimum wage employee at Wally World taking each cartridge out of a box of 50, or even 20, and setting up some mythical machine that will etch some kind of ID onto the bullet, only to have that etch destroyed when the bullet is disrupted by hitting something? Have you ever seen a bullet that has gone through flesh? I have hunted quite a bit, and have seen this... Sometimes full metal jacket bullets are not drastically deformed by flesh, but hitting dirt, rocks, brick walls, pavement....
Seriously? Are you that clueless about the modern manufacturing? When the bullets are manufactured they can be (and many are) manufactured with an ID number on them.Did you think about that before you typed it?
Sometimes full metal jacket bullets are not drastically deformed by flesh, but hitting dirt, rocks, brick walls, pavement....
This will help law enforcement track down who bought the bullet that was used in a crime.
You pass a law like this that gives manufacturers six months to two years to implement it (depends on what is involved).
Second, the law applies to sales, not to existing bullets. So yes, there would still be ammunition out there for years that doesn't have an ID. It will help in 80% of crimes, not 100%.
Also this does not violate anyone's rights. The law already stipulates that you need to be a certain age to buy ammo and many businesses ask for ID. These records are not kept by the government but by each retail outlet.
It turns out that Biden doesn't believe that gun control will reduce violence, but he will try and foist it upon the American public to satisfy his political constituents: Fact check: Biden once said he 'never believed' gun control, federal registration would reduce crime (msn.com)
Biden's quote, “During my twelve-and-a-half years as a member of this body, I have never believed that additional gun control or federal registration of guns would reduce crime,”
But tp get some votes, he'll change his mind.
Biden's quote, “During my twelve-and-a-half years as a member of this body, I have never believed that additional gun control or federal registration of guns would reduce crime,”
But tp get some votes, he'll change his mind.
Well, I don't think I'm clueless.... you were talking about etching the ID of the person buying the ammo onto the bullet, were you not?
Having a barcode etched on the CASE of the cartridge during mfg is no big deal. I'm not sure how it would solve any crimes, though. It would tell police where the ammo was purchased.... big deal. I suppose if the code was scanned during the sale, and became a part of the sales record, it would narrow down the list of possibilities to a few hundred folks, I guess.
But, as you yourself stated, if they pick up the cases? SOL....
After rereading your post, I see now what you probably meant.
Yes, if the barcodes were etched on the cases, that code could be tied to a sale.
Have you watched modern mfg of ammo? It is run in batches. Would you expect one barcode for the whole batch of thousands of rounds? If you insisted on a separate barcode for each box, you would shut down the ammo manufacturing business.
And, what about reloaders, like myself?
And, an easy way around that magic barcode? Revolvers.
Are you kidding? If you have an ID number on each shell casing and the sale is done with a credit card or with cash and a driver's license then you have tied that serial number to the person who bought it.
80% of these crimes are committed by gang members in shootouts, not by meticulous assassins like you see in the movies. They don't clean up after themselves.
If a bullet is involved in a crime the police will know who bought the bullet and hence the owner. Doesn't mean that person shot the gun but it would be a great lead and place to start. If they claim they didn't shoot the gun then who got their ammunition and how? If the gang is using someone with a clean record to buy ammunition for them then that is a crime. Perhaps one bullet involved in a crime bought by this guy could have been stolen, but when bullets show up all over the city from multiple guns bought by this guy he will go to prison. If the criminals can't buy bullets they can't kill people, just as the old saying goes, "guns don't kill people, bullets kill people"