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ok DA.
thank you.
we have an index of the book.
this is the issue right here:
(5th) The Abyss and thousand years (Rev 20:1-10)
we either get this right, or we got the whole thing wrong.
this is a parenthetical chapter in a book of visions, that sums up the messianic age (1st to 2nd Advents).
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concerning the great city being jerusalem, it just is.
i posted mega on it already, and it is impossible to read otherwise.
if you are familar with Orwell's 1984 you know that THE RULE OF LAW means LAWLESSNESS, black is white, and evil is good.
whatever the world is teaching - inject the OPPOSITE, and PRESTO...it matches scripture and vice versa.
thank you.
we have an index of the book.
this is the issue right here:
(5th) The Abyss and thousand years (Rev 20:1-10)
we either get this right, or we got the whole thing wrong.
this is a parenthetical chapter in a book of visions, that sums up the messianic age (1st to 2nd Advents).
~
concerning the great city being jerusalem, it just is.
i posted mega on it already, and it is impossible to read otherwise.
if you are familar with Orwell's 1984 you know that THE RULE OF LAW means LAWLESSNESS, black is white, and evil is good.
whatever the world is teaching - inject the OPPOSITE, and PRESTO...it matches scripture and vice versa.
Again I assert you are mixing your references. The city on seven hills is not related to the
two witnesses, just as the river Euphrates is not referenced to Jerusalem or Rome and
just as each church has it's own reference.
If you now want to again shift gears and talk about the Abyss and the Thousand years, we
can do that also, but again, in context!
Where is the Abyss, metaphorically (and physically) -- in the Great Pyramid at Giza.
When did the Fatimahad's plant 53 towers in Egypt - in 1150!
What is 1000 years from 1150 -- it is -- 2150.
How many [70 year sabbaths] take us there -- two more
When did Napolean arrive in Egypt -- c. 1798
What is 350 years from 1798 -- c. 2148
When is the Precession of the Equinoxes that brings us mid way, out of Pisces and into
Aquarius - c. 2148
Maybe I could shift a bit larger, and say -- The king of the north is -- ABRAHAM.
Abraham Lincoln ended slavery in the Civil War as the leader of the North.
We need to stay on track/topic here, stay in context.
I will concede this -- there will be a time, when the Pope/Papacy moves to Israel, but
not Jerusalem, but again, that is like saying, Abraham is King of the North.
Remember though, Abraham indeed went off to war with the kings, and upon his return,
stopped to see Melchizedek, Sar Shalom, Prince of Salem, at which time, he:
1) Offered a tenth of the spoils of war to Melchizedek
2) Partook of -- Bread and Wine, which Jesus later did, and referenced -- Do this in
memory of me -- a priest forever, on the ORDER of Melchizedek.
But this too is a bit twisted / off topic.
abraham isn't the king of the north.
jerusalem is the great city.
moriah (and the whole temple system with the Babylonian Oral Traditions) received a deadly wound in 70AD.
this isn't about the pope.
he's already signed his flock over.
3. God has created the human person as a social being which by definition places limits on individual human freedom. Moreover freedom of choice is derived from God and therefore is not absolute, but must reflect Divine will and law. Accordingly human beings are called to freely obey the Divine will as manifested in the Creation and in His revealed word.
Jewish tradition emphasizes the Noachide Covenant (cf. Gn 9: 9-12) as containing. the universal moral code which is incumbent on all humanity. This idea is reflected in Christian Scripture in the Book of Acts 15: 28-29.
Bilateral Commission Meeting, Jerusalem, March 11-13, 2007; Adar 21-23, 5767
jerusalem is the great city.
moriah (and the whole temple system with the Babylonian Oral Traditions) received a deadly wound in 70AD.
this isn't about the pope.
he's already signed his flock over.
COMMISSION FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JEWS
THE DELEGATION OF THE HOLY SEE'S COMMISSION
FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JEWS
AND THE CHIEF RABBINATE OF ISRAEL'S DELEGATION
FOR RELATIONS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
BILATERAL COMMISSION MEETING
THE DELEGATION OF THE HOLY SEE'S COMMISSION
FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JEWS
AND THE CHIEF RABBINATE OF ISRAEL'S DELEGATION
FOR RELATIONS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
BILATERAL COMMISSION MEETING
Jerusalem, March 11-13, 2007; Adar 21-23, 5767
3. God has created the human person as a social being which by definition places limits on individual human freedom. Moreover freedom of choice is derived from God and therefore is not absolute, but must reflect Divine will and law. Accordingly human beings are called to freely obey the Divine will as manifested in the Creation and in His revealed word.
Jewish tradition emphasizes the Noachide Covenant (cf. Gn 9: 9-12) as containing. the universal moral code which is incumbent on all humanity. This idea is reflected in Christian Scripture in the Book of Acts 15: 28-29.
Bilateral Commission Meeting, Jerusalem, March 11-13, 2007; Adar 21-23, 5767
L
If Islam is the king of the north then there will be no temple rebuilt and no 7 year tribulation cause look at what happens when the king of the north comes to an end
Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 12:1-2
(1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
(2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 9:16
(16) O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 12:1-2
(1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
(2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 9:16
(16) O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
Zone said:
Abraham isn't the king of the north. Jerusalem is the great city. moriah (and the whole
temple system with the Babylonian Oral Traditions) received a deadly wound in 70AD.
This isn't about the pope. he's already signed his flock over.
Please limit the scope of your conversation to scripture references. You are all over the
place making claims that make no sense and can't substantiate, you then typically
devolve into some sort of LOGICAL FALLACY:
(link) List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Please review this short list of LOGICAL FALLACIES posted below. You have so many good
insights, so much to offer, then the wind blows and you seem to be blown about by every
wind of doctrine. I understand that a forum/thread with a dozen contributors all
interjecting ideas and opinions can throw a discussion off course. But as a senior
member, and as an elder (by age if not reason) I expect a bit more from you
(in a positive way).
Regards, Digital_Angel_316
LOGICAL FALLACIES:
Argumentum Verbosium (Argumentum Verbosium): AKA Proof by Intimidation, or Proof
by Verbosity. It refers to an argument that is so complex, so long-winded and so poorly
presented by the arguer that you are obliged to accept it, simply to avoid being forced to
sift through its minute details.
Correlative-based fallacies
* Denying the correlative: where attempts are made at introducing alternatives where
there are none.
Fallacy of many questions (complex question, fallacy of presupposition, loaded question,
plurium interrogationum): someone asks a question that presupposes something that
has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved. This fallacy is often used
rhetorically, so that the question limits direct replies to those that serve the questioner's
agenda.
Fallacy of quoting out of context (contextomy): refers to the selective excerpting of
words from their original context in a way that distorts the source's intended meaning.
Kettle logic: using multiple inconsistent arguments to defend a position.
Mind Projection Fallacy: when one considers the way he sees the world as the way the
world really is.
Proof by verbosity (argumentum verbosium, proof by intimidation): submission of others
to an argument too complex and verbose to reasonably deal with in all its intimate
details.
Red herring: a speaker attempts to distract an audience by deviating from the topic at
hand by introducing a separate argument which the speaker believes will be easier to
speak to.
Thought-terminating cliché: a commonly used phrase, sometimes passing as folk wisdom,
used to quell cognitive dissonance, conceal lack of thought-entertainment, move onto
other topics etc. but in any case, end the debate with a cliche—not a point.
Appeal to tradition (argumentum ad antiquitam): a conclusion supported solely because
it has long been held to be true.
Genetic fallacy: where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone's
origin rather than its current meaning or context.
Abraham isn't the king of the north. Jerusalem is the great city. moriah (and the whole
temple system with the Babylonian Oral Traditions) received a deadly wound in 70AD.
This isn't about the pope. he's already signed his flock over.
Please limit the scope of your conversation to scripture references. You are all over the
place making claims that make no sense and can't substantiate, you then typically
devolve into some sort of LOGICAL FALLACY:
(link) List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Please review this short list of LOGICAL FALLACIES posted below. You have so many good
insights, so much to offer, then the wind blows and you seem to be blown about by every
wind of doctrine. I understand that a forum/thread with a dozen contributors all
interjecting ideas and opinions can throw a discussion off course. But as a senior
member, and as an elder (by age if not reason) I expect a bit more from you
(in a positive way).
Regards, Digital_Angel_316
LOGICAL FALLACIES:
Argumentum Verbosium (Argumentum Verbosium): AKA Proof by Intimidation, or Proof
by Verbosity. It refers to an argument that is so complex, so long-winded and so poorly
presented by the arguer that you are obliged to accept it, simply to avoid being forced to
sift through its minute details.
Correlative-based fallacies
* Denying the correlative: where attempts are made at introducing alternatives where
there are none.
Fallacy of many questions (complex question, fallacy of presupposition, loaded question,
plurium interrogationum): someone asks a question that presupposes something that
has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved. This fallacy is often used
rhetorically, so that the question limits direct replies to those that serve the questioner's
agenda.
Fallacy of quoting out of context (contextomy): refers to the selective excerpting of
words from their original context in a way that distorts the source's intended meaning.
Kettle logic: using multiple inconsistent arguments to defend a position.
Mind Projection Fallacy: when one considers the way he sees the world as the way the
world really is.
Proof by verbosity (argumentum verbosium, proof by intimidation): submission of others
to an argument too complex and verbose to reasonably deal with in all its intimate
details.
Red herring: a speaker attempts to distract an audience by deviating from the topic at
hand by introducing a separate argument which the speaker believes will be easier to
speak to.
Thought-terminating cliché: a commonly used phrase, sometimes passing as folk wisdom,
used to quell cognitive dissonance, conceal lack of thought-entertainment, move onto
other topics etc. but in any case, end the debate with a cliche—not a point.
Appeal to tradition (argumentum ad antiquitam): a conclusion supported solely because
it has long been held to be true.
Genetic fallacy: where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone's
origin rather than its current meaning or context.
Zone,
You went from the city on seven hills to the two witnesses, now to the Abyss and
thousand years again. These are ALL important topics, but some are not related in the
way you infer.
This is why I outlined the book for all to see.
This is why I call for an outline of this thread.
I encourage off-topic, but related and important issues to :
1) post a summary issue here --- Exegesis is indeed very important, so cross referencing
is encouraged. However, exegesis does not include wild guesses as to what is tied
together, it has a basis in it's reference.
2) Link your summary of an alternate issue to a NEW THREAD
------ Noahide Laws would be a great thread
------ The major sections of the book of Revelation would be [a] great thread(s) -
------ (see outline)
------ Exegesis would be a great thread
You went from the city on seven hills to the two witnesses, now to the Abyss and
thousand years again. These are ALL important topics, but some are not related in the
way you infer.
This is why I outlined the book for all to see.
This is why I call for an outline of this thread.
I encourage off-topic, but related and important issues to :
1) post a summary issue here --- Exegesis is indeed very important, so cross referencing
is encouraged. However, exegesis does not include wild guesses as to what is tied
together, it has a basis in it's reference.
2) Link your summary of an alternate issue to a NEW THREAD
------ Noahide Laws would be a great thread
------ The major sections of the book of Revelation would be [a] great thread(s) -
------ (see outline)
------ Exegesis would be a great thread
1) WHO IS MICHAEL?
2) WHAT IS A TABERNACLE?
3) WHAT IS A HOLY MOUNTAIN?
WHO IS MICHAEL:
SAINT MICHAEL—ARCHANGEL
[CATHOLIC] Feast: September 29 - (9-29)
St. Michael, who ranks among the seven archangels, is also one of the three angels
mentioned by name in the Scriptures, the others being St. Raphael and St. Gabriel. St.
Michael is spoken of twice in the Old Testament, and twice in the New. The first reference
occurs in the Book of Daniel (chapter x), where Michael comes to comfort Daniel after he
has had a vision, and promises to be his helper in all things. In Daniel xii, Michael is called
"the great prince who standeth for the children of Thy people." In these references
Michael is represented as Israel's great support during the seventy years of the
Babylonian captivity. Daniel, wise and holy leader that he was, wanted his people to
understand that God had not forgotten them, and that, even though enslaved, they had a
royal champion. In the New Testament (Jude ix), we are told that Michael disputed with
the devil over the body of Moses; (Who disputes over dead men's bones? -- Catholics!)
this episode is not mentioned elsewhere in the Bible.
In the Apocalypse (chapter xii) we find the most dramatic reference to St. Michael. Here
John recounts the great battle in Heaven, when the wicked angels under Lucifer revolt
against God, and how Michael, leading the faithful angels, defeats the hosts of evil and
drives them out. In this role he has been painted by many artists, and the poet Milton, in
book vi of <Paradise Lost>, recounts the famous struggle. Because of this victory, St.
Michael is revered in Catholic tradition and liturgy as the protector of the Church, as once
he was regarded as the protector of the Israelites. In the Eastern Church, as well as
among many theologians in the West, St Michael is placed over all the angels, as prince of
the Seraphim. He is the special patron of sick people, mariners, and grocers; in Asia Minor
many curative springs were dedicated to him. His cult has also been popular in Egypt,
Rome, France, and Germany. His emblems are a banner, a sword, a dragon, and scales.
The name Michael is a variation of Micah, meaning in Hebrew, "Who is like God?"
Saint Michael, Archangel. Scriptural Saint. Celebration of Feast Day is September 29.
St. Michael
WHAT IS A TABERNACLE?
Tabernacle (1.) A house or dwelling-place (Job 5:24; Job 18:6, etc.). (2.) A portable shrine
(compare Act 19:24) containing the image of Moloch (Amo 5:26; marg. and R.V.,
"Siccuth"). (3.) The human body (Co2 5:1, Co2 5:4);
Easton's Bible Dictionary
2. In Biblical phraseology, the human frame as the temporary abode of the soul, or of man
as a spiritual immortal being.
2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of
the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their
God, and they shall be my people.
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is
in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we
have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 Cor 5:4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we
would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
2 Pet 1:13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting
[you] in remembrance;
Mar 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and
within three days I will build another made without hands.
Acts 17:24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and
earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.
WHAT IS A HOLY MOUNTAIN?
Olympus was the home of the 12 Gods/Titans of GREEK Tradition, [Mount] Olympus
OLY refers to Mountain
CAMPUS is a place where people live and learn
OLY-CAMPUS is a Mountain where People Live and learn (HIGH (lofty) morals and ideals
and precepts)
OLY-CAMPUS is foreshortened to OLY-MPUS .. as in Mount OLYMPUS a home of 'gods'
A leading H often denotes a breath as in breathing .. making the sound Haa....OLY with a
leading H is a breathing (living) Mountain
H--OLY -->> HOLY, a living, breathing, mountain of high, lofty morals, ideals, behaviors
Isaiah 57:15
For this is what the high and exalted One says— he who lives forever, whose name is holy:
“I live in a high and holy place, but also with the one who is contrite and lowly in spirit, to
revive the spirit of the lowly and to revive the heart of the contrite.
1 Peter 2:5
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood
offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Revelation 21:2
I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared
as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city
with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[c] in length, and as wide and high as it is
long.
Revelation 21:16 12,000 stadia, That is, about 1,400 miles or about 2,200 kilometers
Revelation 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that
person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
Can we sum up and move on, this thread is saturated I believe.
The temple has been rebuilt -- it is the LAW TEMPLE of the Supreme
Court --
The area of its jurisdiction is all of Israel and the Israeli-occupied territories. A ruling of
the Supreme Court is binding upon every court, other than the Supreme Court itself.
The building was donated to Israel by Dorothy de Rothschild. [4] Outside the President's
Chamber is displayed the letter Ms Rothschild wrote to Prime Minister Shimon Peres
expressing her intention to donate a new building for the Supreme Court.
It was designed by Ram Karmi and Ada Karmi-Melamede and opened in 1992.
The same families who own and control the Federal Reserve and other major financial
institutions have their eyes set on the Temple Mount and the Holy City of Jerusalem. Just
as Scriptures say, the man who will be revealed as the anti-Christ will sit there before the
appearance of the Jewish Messiah
For those who may think this article is anti-Semitic, I ask you to read an article on The
House Of Satan, http://www.thegoldenreport.com/articles.asp?id=00135 ; for there are
those who call themselves Jews but who are of the house of Satan. And many have found
their way into the Israeli Knesset and they don't even mention nor deal with the
Covenant of Yahweh.
The Engineers who were chosen for this job by the Rothschild’s were the grandson and
granddaughter of Ben-Zion Guine from Turkey who worked for Baron Rothschild, Ram
Kurmi, born in Jerusalem in 1931, and Ada Karmi-Melanede born in Tel-Aviv in 1936.
House of the Rothschilds
The Rothschild family is an international dynasty of Germans of jewish descent who
established a worldwide banking and finance operation. The offsprings of Mayer Amschel
Rothschild (1744-1812) have spread all over Europe and became major actors in the
social, political and economic life of the continent. By knitting close ties with the elite of
England, Austria, France and Italy, the Rothschilds became a hidden force in most political
events of the last centuries. Alternative historians say they are part of the infamous 13
bloodlines of the Illuminati, along with the Rockefellers and the Duponts.
The Rothschilds are one of the originators of the Zionist movement and the most active
actors in the creation of the state of Israel. James A. de Rothschild financed the Knesset,
Israel’s main political building. Right in front of it sits the Israeli Supreme Court, donated
by another member of the dynasty: Dorothy de Rothschild.
Darkness to Light Stairway
One who enters the Supreme Court finds himself in a dark area, in front of a stairway
leading to a source of light.
By climbing those stairs, the visitor gradually leaves the depths of darkness to finally
reach glorious sunlight. There are exactly three times 10 steps, totaling 30. They
represent the 30 first degrees of Freemasonry, where the profane is gradually taken from
the depths of material life (darkness) to wisdom and illumination (light). We know that
Freemasonry comprises a total of 33 degrees and we’ll later see where we can find those
last three degrees in the structure. On the right side of the stairs are old rocks
reminiscent of walls of ancient Jerusalem while on the left is a smooth and modern wall.
This represents the timeless nature of occult teachings, who have been transmitted since
ancient times to this day.
Embedded on the floor is a layline, guiding the traveler to the entrance of the library,
which is conveniently placed right under the pyramid.
The library is divided in three levels, symbolically representing the last three degrees of
Freemasonry (31st, 32nd and honorary 33rd) . The first level is reserved for lawyers, the
second is reserved for judges and the books on the third level can only be read by retired
judges. The library’s way of functioning – where some information is the exclusive
privilege of a selected few – directly correlates with the functioning of occult orders,
where teachings of a certain degree can only be given if the initiates have successfully
cleared the previous degrees.
The prison cells, the courtroom and the judge’s quarters are placed one on top of the
other, symbolizing the threefold nature of the world. The inmates are stuck in cells,
symbolizing the prison of the lower material world. The courtrooms, placed right over the
prison cells, represent the “higher world” where divinity gets in touch with humanity:
In the courtrooms, the judges are illuminated by a natural source of light. So the judges,
hearing the pleads of the masses sit there with divine light constantly shining upon them.
After the hearings, the judges retire to their quarters, situated right over the courtroom.
They symbolically “ascend” to the divine world. When a decision is taken, they “descend”
to bring illumination to the lower world.
Much more found online, and the following references:
REFERENCE LINKS:
http://www.abidemiracles.com/555701.htm
Sinister Sites - Israel Supreme Court | The Vigilant Citizen
L
God is the true king of the north and the king of the north on earth is a counterfeit of the true.
Psalms 48:2
(2) Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
Isaiah 14:13
(13) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Satan's aim is to be like God and has set a counterfeit king of the north at Jerusalem
Psalms 48:2
(2) Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
Isaiah 14:13
(13) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Satan's aim is to be like God and has set a counterfeit king of the north at Jerusalem
so DA.
you've gone right to where i was, that the son of perdition is setting up in Palestine!
like....huh?
anyways, yes...there's a lot more as well.
look into the Grand Masonic Lodge of Israel (one branch of which in UNDER the temple mount)...the world's bigwigs go there when they go to israel for their instructions.
the Rothschilds are edomite converts to Talmudic Judaism btw (just like THE HERODS)
you've gone right to where i was, that the son of perdition is setting up in Palestine!
like....huh?
anyways, yes...there's a lot more as well.
look into the Grand Masonic Lodge of Israel (one branch of which in UNDER the temple mount)...the world's bigwigs go there when they go to israel for their instructions.
the Rothschilds are edomite converts to Talmudic Judaism btw (just like THE HERODS)