Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

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Do you believe people in Matt 25 are non Christian
Mt 25:32 says 'nations', not saints. I don't plan on being there.

Jesus saved you without ever being Christian?
Yes Jesus saved me while in my sins.
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
(Eph 2:5)
 

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There are 3 sets of God's wrath; 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 bowls. I see the white horse as the beginning of God's wrath on the earth.

And you are most likely right about what Jackson sees, or doesn't see.
Ok, difference of opinion/timing. No biggie.
 

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Mt 25:32 says 'nations', not saints. I don't plan on being there.


Yes Jesus saved me while in my sins.
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
(Eph 2:5)
So some non Christian are save because helping the poor
Salvation by faith or work
 
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Revelation 13
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Revelation 13 talking what happen during gt
It say not worship image will be killed, not physical save

Not worship beast mean endure in Jesus

So Bible not promise physical salvation but spiritual salvation
Yes if you killed becouse refuse to worship beast you have eternal salvation
That's part of it - surely, we are to "overcome" Antichrist, yes.

However, Jesus Himself tells Christians specifically what we must "endure to the end" if we're going to be saved, and it's found in the very preceding verse, but the OSAS crowd has taken over the church and can't preach truth to which they are blind to begin with, so that's why I'm here:

"And because iniquity shall abound, the "agape" of many shall wax cold, but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved."

What is it that the Christian must endure and not allow to kill his "agape" love cold and dead, lest he be lost?
Iniquity aka habitual, deliberate, known sin from which he refuses to repent...because his refusal to repent is the outward evidence that Jesus is no longer sitting enthroned on his heart.
 

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That's part of it - surely, we are to "overcome" Antichrist, yes.

However, Jesus Himself tells Christians specifically what we must "endure to the end" if we're going to be saved, and it's found in the very preceding verse, but the OSAS crowd has taken over the church and can't preach truth to which they are blind to begin with, so that's why I'm here:

"And because iniquity shall abound, the "agape" of many shall wax cold, but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved."

What is it that the Christian must endure and not allow to kill his "agape" love cold and dead, lest he be lost?
Iniquity aka habitual, deliberate, known sin from which he refuses to repent...because his refusal to repent is the outward evidence that Jesus is no longer sitting enthroned on his heart.
Yep I think OSAS is unbiblical and I don't believe pre tribulation rapture
 

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Faith, without works, is no faith at all. When one claims to believe,, and he truly does, it is works given by the Father. No man has faisth without works even if it is simply believing on the Son of the our Father. Think on Abraham how it was imputed to him as righteousness because he believed. Going through all of the Word there are countless examples of those who believe doing workdsgiven them by the Father. It is all to glorify Him, not us.
amen most importantly connecting to salvation we’re going to be judged by our works so they have to be important to our salvation , the hypervrsce doctrine has really corrupted a lot of both inking in the church

why are works for sure and absolutely important to the salvation of believers ?

“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:26-29‬ ‭

thier works are important

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

our works are important in the church

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11

it’s important to every soul for salvation jew or gentile make or female everyone is the same will be judged by our works our deeds we do in this world . And we will all seer to one mans word one mans judgement

We learn the right ways to live and things to do here and it promises salvation

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because that’s the judgement word we face if we reject it we’re rejecting Gods words of eternal Life which is salvstion it’s the judgement we face

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all Christian’s and non Christian’s have to answer to the gospel word of Jesus Christ whether we believe it or reject it and our deeds are what will be judged by so what we do knowing what Christ did becomes important
 

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No, you called them 'non-Christian'. Technically, they are called Tribulation saints.
What is your definition of Christian, and why you believe those in Matt 25;34-36 only people that experience gt?
 

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Where does the bible EXPLICITLY teach 'salvation by good deeds'?
Salvation by faith
But in Matt 25:34-36 Jesus say He saved people for the reason helping the poor, feed the hungry etc

What is that mean, did you read that verse, Jesus stste the reason they save what is that and why

Did Jesus state you save because your faith or because you feed the hungry
 
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So you apparently believe that the Bible is internally contradicted then.
No, I believe your tendency to exclude Bible verses from consideration of a topic leads YOU to not only internal, but ETERNAL contradiction.
 
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Where does Jesus say, "if you quit believing in Me, I'll quit saving you"?
Do you believe after accept Jesus than keep the faith for an hour, and quit for the rest of your life still save because no verse say when you quit believe Jesus quit save you?
I asked you a question. Are you capable of an answer, or are you just going to continue to ignore my questions and keep asking yours?

You have a very serious problem.
1. you have NO verses that say what you claim.
2. you believe Matt 24:13 says endurance is required for salvation, in spite of Jesus saying that those He gives eternal life shall never perish.
3. your theology creates a serious contradiction in the Bible.
4. you don't answer any questions.

Those who know the truth CAN answer questions.